Titoli di Stato area Euro GRECIA Operativo titoli di stato - Cap. 1

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Vorrei gentilmente capire definitivamente la posizione del sig. Gaudente sull'evolversi della situazione greca. Si deduce che tende al pessimismo: propende + per un haircut e di che proporzioni, oppure crede nel vero e proprio default con i titoli che valgono 0?

Grazie anticipatamente per la risposta.
La faccenda non è così semplice. Nel caso dei bond General Motors, il Gaudente arrivò a prevedere quotazioni negative per i bond, motivandole con la volontà dei disgraziati investitori di recuperare almeno il rateo accumulato. In un certo senso mi sento moralmente debitore per i suoi post apocalittici dell'epoca, i bond presi in quei giorni (gradualmente fino a 0.40/100 + rateo) ora scambiano attorno ai 35/100.
 
Ciao Giutrader, ti risponderà poi Gaudente, la sua presenza ci permette però di avere una visione più completa, altrimenti il thread diventa "unidirezionale" ...


Certo, io lo chiamo spesso perchè leggo con molto interesse i suoi interventi. Dice cose molto sensate, pertanto a tutta la mia stima, anche se la penso in maniera diversa.


Evoco un suo intervento così magari domani si sale un po' anche se... tira una brutta aria... :down:
 
Mi raccomando, leggete l'intervista di El Erian rilasciata allo "Spiegel", la prima parte è tutta dedicata al "problema Grecia" (post precedente).
La sua "vision" la conosciamo.
Un pò debole e poco convincente - invece - la seconda parte riguardante gli USA.
Ma lo sappiamo ... abita da quelle parti ... :lol:.
 
EU's Juncker says Greek debt buyback worth exploring


ATHENS | Tue Feb 8, 2011 1:12pm EST


ATHENS Feb 8 (Reuters) - Eurogroup chairman Jean-Claude Juncker said on Tuesday he was open to a Greek debt buyback and a 30-year extension to the repayment of the country's bailout loans if Germany would consider it.

"That's an idea, a suggestion worth being followed but I have to discuss this with my colleagues at the Eurogroup," he told Reuters when asked about a possible debt buyback.

He said that if the German government was willing to consider a 30-year extension to the repayment of Greece's 110 billion euro bailout loans, he would not oppose it. He added that he did not think joint euro bonds would be adopted in the near future.
 
PM Papandreou meets Eurogroup head Juncker



“The euro is not at risk and will survive; and Greece will survive thanks to the euro,” visiting Eurogroup chairman and Luxembourg Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker stressed on Tuesday after talks with Prime Minister George Papandreou at Maximos Mansion, the government headquarters, in Athens.

Present in the meeting were Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou and Foreign Minister Dimitris Droutsas.

Juncker stated that the repayment period for the Greek debt must be extended and expressed Europe’s full support to the efforts made by Greece, saying characteristically, that “everybody in Europe admires Greece except from a few idiots”.

As regards the repayment of the Greek debt, Juncker said that the EU consensus has been ensured and expressed support to the programme implemented by the Greek government, adding that more measures will be adopted if the goals set are not fully met.

On the Competitiveness Pact discussion underway in Europe and due to culminate with the March 25 Summit meeting, Juncker said that a proposal has been made by Germany and France. Greece and Luxembourg are in favour of competitiveness but they were not satisfied with the latest Council meeting, he said, adding that the proposals made by Germany and France are being studied.

On his part, Prime Minister Papandreou referred to the issues discussed with the Eurogroup chairman while, as regards the European debt crisis, he said that Europe must make the necessary decisions soon.

He added that Greece wants a comprehensive solution to the issue and referring to the programme implemented by the government, he stressed that “we have received a mandate from the Greek people to proceed with major reforms and that’s what we do”.

“We were forced by the debt and the deficits to adopt extraordinary measures to salvage the country,” the premier said, adding that now the goal set is to change the country. “We proceed with a series of changes that are unrelated with the extraordinary measures and the message sent is that Greece is on the right track and the Greek people should be optimistic about the future,” he stressed.

(ana.gr)
 
Mi raccomando, leggete l'intervista di El Erian rilasciata allo "Spiegel", la prima parte è tutta dedicata al "problema Grecia" (post precedente).
La sua "vision" la conosciamo.
Un pò debole e poco convincente - invece - la seconda parte riguardante gli USA.
Ma lo sappiamo ... abita da quelle parti ... :lol:.


Letta letta, sinceramente conoscevo già il suo punto di vista. ma preferisco le sagge parole di Trichet ( in caso di haircut faremmo vincere gli shortisti).

Volevo farti notare come nonostante l'aumento degli spread in queste ultime due sedute i titoli siano rimasti quasi immuni da cali.

Quando seguo i ggb prendo di riferimento le lunghe 37/40 (granitiche con i loro 58.50 circa) la 19 6.5 che in altri tempi avrebbe perso almeno 2% ed invece tiene i suoi 71 e la mia preferita, la 26 che si è stabilizzata verso i 65.

Sono pochi quello che attualmente hanno Grecia in portafoglio e vendono, mentre vedo nei book diverso denaro (oramai i mm poco presenti in lettera si posizionano spesso molto molto alti). Che siano i tori ora a comandare?

Se domani manteniamo gli 820 bp sono proprio curioso di vedere se la 19 6.5 perderà i 71, le lunghe i 58 ecc. ecc.
 
Greek FinMin, troika continue round of talks




Greek Finance Minister George Papakonstantinou on Tuesday met with the heads of a troika delegation, as part of a regular inspection of the Greek economy.

Finance ministry officials said the inspections focused on accelerating structuring reforms and noted that the country has secured payment of the fourth tranche of an IMF/EU loan. They also stressed that troika officials did not think there was a problem with pledges undertaken by the country, or timetables of implementing measures while they also did not particularly worry over fiscal consolidation. Their aim was to sustain a momentum on reforms.

Ministry sources said the troika underlined uncertainties in spending of the wider central government, combating tax evasion and speeding up privatizations. The ministry officials reiterated that there was no issue of abolishing payment of the 13th and 14th wages in the private sector and dismissed talk of plans to further raise VAT rates.

The officials said the government would seek a dialogue with political parties, economists and unions over focused actions, worth 12.77 billion euros, or 5.2 pct of the country’s Gross Domestic Product, in the period 2012-2015, needed to save on spending and support growth. The aim is to have a primary budget surplus of 5.0 pct of GDP in 2015, the sources said.

(ana.gr)
 
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