Politicians "messed up" Greece
New party wants low taxes, samaller government and more transparency
Interview with: Dora Bakoyannis
27 March 2011
Dora Bakoyannis, the leader of the Democratic Alliance party, and former Foreign Minister of Greece was in Brussels last week meeting with key European Commissioners and European political leadership. “We messed up” Bakoyanni confessed about the political class of Greece, and explained her vision for her new party to Alexandros Koronakis: a vision for a Greece with a 20% flat tax and no corruption, in a transparent world.
Was the Democratic Alliance a creation of a personal need to lead a party, or a circumstance of your leaving New Democracy?
Neither. The Democratic Alliance is a product of the crisis in Greece. The crisis is not just an economic crisis, it’s primarily a political and social crisis; a crisis of values. The people who came together to create the Democratic Alliance wanted a new political model: an open party, a party committed to truth and far away from any kind of populist rhetoric.
Previously, as a member of New Democracy you were affiliated with the European People’s Party. In this visit however you met with the leadership of Liberal Democrats. Should we expect official ties to the Liberal Democrats?
Yes, we are much closer to the Liberal Democrats today than we have been in the past. But this decision will be a party decision taken at our congress at the end of May.
What has been the aim of your visits and meetings in Brussels, which included several Commissioners and EU leading figures?
The aim of the visits were to present our ideas about a new economic policy, a policy that we believe would be more effective and produce better results in Greece.
My main discussion with
Olli Rehn was based on two ideas: Firstly, that we need a revolution in the Greek tax system. Our current system is broken and cannot provide results. We cannot change the tax law every month like we do today in Greece and believe we will stimulate investment. We believe that a flat tax of 20%, which will be paid by everybody, would increase tax revenue, and allow the Greek business community to make the necessary investments and create new jobs.
On your twitter account this week you wrote, “I am happy that Wikileaks are coming out.” What role do you think that organizations like Wikileaks have in bringing transparency into politics?
I don’t believe that every possible telegram or cable on foreign policy issues should be published. Sometimes, ongoing or sensitive negotiations need to remain undisclosed in order to produce results. But personally and perhaps egoistically, I was happy about Wikileaks because it showed the role that some of the Greek politicians, including myself, played in the foreign-policy making in Greece.
You’re an avid user of social media. Going one step further –Digital Diplomacy– how far away are we?
Were not very far away from digital diplomacy. I once said that the invention of the Internet signaled the end of dictatorships across the globe. My generation, who lived through a dictatorship in Greece, knows firsthand that dictatorships survive on the absence of communication and knowledge. This can no longer be the case around the world; in China, in Egypt, in Yemen. Transparency, like it or not, is part of the game. In my opinion, it is the best thing that has happened in my lifetime.
You have been talking very harshly about government corruption. Did you see this kind of corruption while you were foreign minister?
We knew that Greece was stricken with vertical corruption and we also knew the price of this corruption. One thing Greeks cannot forgive is the feeling that the political class has voted in laws that encourage corruption and prevent justice from reaching them. I never voted for these laws.
In Greece, civil servants reportedly account for more than 10% of the population. How many civil servants are actually needed to run a country and how will you get to that number?
What we propose is that in the next 10 years, we need two-thirds of what we have today. We need a strict plan to limit the size of the government. The government discussed the idea of a one-to-five plan: for every five civil servants let go, one is hired. I believe we have to apply a zero-to-five plan for a while to get where to the needed levels. We need these two-thirds of the civil servants to be paid better, to do a better job, and be free of corruption.
How will you tackle the problem of rising unemployment as this number is achieved?
We believe in privatization of very big sectors of the Greek economy. You don’t need to have a very big public sector; privatization will create new jobs and will allow people to keep their jobs.
Where does the Democratic Alliance fall on the Greek political spectrum- is it to the left or right of New Democracy for instance?
The Democratic Alliance is to the left of New Democracy and to the right of the Socialists. We are a free market party, but we believe that it is extremely important that we maintain social cohesion and focus our efforts on social policy.
If there were to be a coalition government in Greece, would the Democratic Alliance be willing to participate in such an agreement?
It depends on what the program is and what is needed. We are less interested in getting ministerial chairs than we are in on working towards concrete agreement on the policies that need to be implemented in Greece.
What is your outlook for Greece? Your biggest hopes, but also your biggest fears.
I’m a born optimist. I strongly believe that we Greeks will make it. It’s difficult; the biggest crisis of my generation. We messed up, honestly, and part of our mentality has to change. The Greeks are intelligent, hardworking people, and they are successful all around the world. The crisis is not the Greek people’s fault; it’s the fault of the system we built: a broken system of clientelism and corruption.
I hope that the old parties will understand that we need a new approach, opposed to the old logic of promising everything and not delivering. This is out. It died with the crisis.
A final question, somewhat more personal. When was the first time you realized ‘who’ your father was, and what politics means in terms of running a country? And when did you decide you wanted to be a politician?
I was ten when I realized my father was a politician. I felt that our lives, which were until then extremely well protected, without television and too young to be reading newspapers, depended on the situation in Greece. It was very difficult because this was in 1965 when a lot of people where against my father. And then I realised that this was, and would be my life. The worst thing was when my father went to prison in 1967, the dictatorship, the exile, and then I realized that in many ways, Greece’s history is directly linked to my private life. I liked to be in politics, but I didn’t want to have the leading role. I was very much afraid of the media exposure.
I went into politics after the assassination of my husband. Then I was playing a leading role, but it wasn’t my goal from the beginning. I loved being just a person who works, without the exposure.
(neurope.eu)