Obbligazioni valute high yield ISLANDA e Obbligazioni in ISK

non ho visto sinora messaggi di utenti Fineco su questo argomento, puoi trasferire i titoli se ti danno conferma di come cambiano, facci sapere, eventualmente posta qui la mail che ti avevano mandato, ..... solo il testo non personale,
buon Natale a tutti

ho guardato sul sito bond.is, questo di oanda riporta il cambio fatto in islanda mi sembra,
e ho trovato questo articolo che non mi piace troppo,
a suo tempo avevo chiesto in banca verso fine estate e le mie isk me le cambiavano a 220/240 OTC
ora ala luce di questo report siamo tornati ai famosi 290 di inizio anno
qualcuno sa quanto sia il cambio otc ora ??

Offshore FX market inactive
It can be assumed that the Central Bank¿s tightened rules on transfers of funds between domestic and foreign bank accounts have helped prevent further ISK depreciation in recent weeks. Ever since the capital controls were tightened, offshore FX market activity has virtually evaporated due to a lack of demand for krónur. According to the Deutsche Bank website, the offshore EURISK exchange rate was in the 270-300 bid-ask range. For most of 2009, the króna was trading at about 200-220 against the euro in the offshore market. This implies that some who previously purchased krónur in the offshore market are probably forced to trade in the domestic market, which facilitates the Central Bank¿s attempts to achieve exchange rate stability.
Buon anno a tutti e che sia l'anno buono per le nostre ISK :):)
 
ho guardato sul sito bond.is, questo di oanda riporta il cambio fatto in islanda mi sembra,
e ho trovato questo articolo che non mi piace troppo,
a suo tempo avevo chiesto in banca verso fine estate e le mie isk me le cambiavano a 220/240 OTC
ora ala luce di questo report siamo tornati ai famosi 290 di inizio anno
qualcuno sa quanto sia il cambio otc ora ??

Offshore FX market inactive
It can be assumed that the Central Bank¿s tightened rules on transfers of funds between domestic and foreign bank accounts have helped prevent further ISK depreciation in recent weeks. Ever since the capital controls were tightened, offshore FX market activity has virtually evaporated due to a lack of demand for krónur. According to the Deutsche Bank website, the offshore EURISK exchange rate was in the 270-300 bid-ask range. For most of 2009, the króna was trading at about 200-220 against the euro in the offshore market. This implies that some who previously purchased krónur in the offshore market are probably forced to trade in the domestic market, which facilitates the Central Bank¿s attempts to achieve exchange rate stability.
Buon anno a tutti e che sia l'anno buono per le nostre ISK :):)

Mah, proverei a chiedere, al di là del report, perché il cambio sul mercato interno è rimasto dove era a luglio, ossia attorno a 180 anche dopo ...

Che ci siano molti investitori "intrappolati" nell'ISK, e desiderosi di uscirne man man che vengon a scadenza le emissioni, si sa, e può darsi che anche quel fattore incida sul cambio offshore...
 
ho guardato sul sito bond.is, questo di oanda riporta il cambio fatto in islanda mi sembra,
e ho trovato questo articolo che non mi piace troppo,
a suo tempo avevo chiesto in banca verso fine estate e le mie isk me le cambiavano a 220/240 OTC
ora ala luce di questo report siamo tornati ai famosi 290 di inizio anno
qualcuno sa quanto sia il cambio otc ora ??

Offshore FX market inactive
It can be assumed that the Central Bank¿s tightened rules on transfers of funds between domestic and foreign bank accounts have helped prevent further ISK depreciation in recent weeks. Ever since the capital controls were tightened, offshore FX market activity has virtually evaporated due to a lack of demand for krónur. According to the Deutsche Bank website, the offshore EURISK exchange rate was in the 270-300 bid-ask range. For most of 2009, the króna was trading at about 200-220 against the euro in the offshore market. This implies that some who previously purchased krónur in the offshore market are probably forced to trade in the domestic market, which facilitates the Central Bank¿s attempts to achieve exchange rate stability.
Buon anno a tutti e che sia l'anno buono per le nostre ISK :):)
il sito Oanda non riporta i cambi dall islanda ma altri che sono meglio di 2 punti invece sul sole 24ore di oggi porta un cambio che dice essere della banca d italia e che stranamente è lo stesso di quella isk 180 di ieri, si capisce na mazza, auguroni a tutti
 
Iceland President Blocks U.K., Dutch Depositor Accord (Update1) - Bloomberg.com
Il presidente della Reapubblica di Islanda ha posto il veto alla delibera parlamentare che autorizzava il pagamento dei depositi Icesave dei risparmiatori inglesi ed olandesi.
Cio' blocca ogni prospettiva di adesione alla UE e di prestiti dal FMI.

Fitch cuts its rating on Iceland to junk status, with a negative outlook, following the decision to hold a referendum on whether to compensate U.K. and Dutch depositors of collapsed bank Icesave - a "significant setback to Iceland's efforts to restore normal financial relations with the rest of the world."
 
Fitch cuts its rating on Iceland to junk status, with a negative outlook, following the decision to hold a referendum on whether to compensate U.K. and Dutch depositors of collapsed bank Icesave - a "significant setback to Iceland's efforts to restore normal financial relations with the rest of the world."

Infatti... che roba... da un lato capisco gli islandesi che non vogliono pagare per il latrocinio di qualche famiglia di private bankers, dall'altro se tutti si facesse con il "prendi i soldi e scappa".... e poi, se fino a qualche anno andavano tutti in giro in Range Rover, adesso possono arrangiarsi con le biciclette... :D

Capisco che non è un'analisi raffinata...
 
Infatti... che roba... da un lato capisco gli islandesi che non vogliono pagare per il latrocinio di qualche famiglia di private bankers, dall'altro se tutti si facesse con il "prendi i soldi e scappa".... e poi, se fino a qualche anno andavano tutti in giro in Range Rover, adesso possono arrangiarsi con le biciclette... :D

Capisco che non è un'analisi raffinata...

un'opinione diversa:

Congratulations to Iceland for figuring out that it is better to suffer a credit rating downgrade than to torture its citizens for a decade or longer. Please consider Iceland president vetoes collapsed Icesave Bank's bill to UK:
Iceland was plunged back into crisis after its president refused to sign a bill promising to repay more than €3.8bn (£3.4bn) to Britain and the Netherlands after the collapse of the country's Icesave bank in 2008.

The escalating row threatens to further destablise the Icelandic economy, which went into meltdown after the failure of its three big banks, cutting off further aid from the International Monetary Fund and jeopardising efforts to join the European Union. The credit rating agency Fitch immediately downgraded Iceland, describing the latest political row as a "significant setback".

The British and Dutch governments had compensated savers who lost money when Icesave's parent Landsbanki filed for bankruptcy. But both have since put pressure on Reykjavik to repay the money...

Repayment Blocked

The Times Online reports, Iceland blocks repayment of £2.3bn to Britain:
Today Iceland's President, Olafur Grimsson, vetoed a bill that would have enforced the repayment of the money by 2024.

Under Iceland's constitution there must now be a referendum on the issue.

But the repayment is deeply unpopular in Iceland. A poll in August found 70 per cent of the country was opposed to it.

The Icelandic Government issued a statement to try to reassure Britain and the Netherlands. It said: "Despite the President‘s decision, the Government of Iceland remains fully committed to implementing the bilateral loan agreements and thus the state guarantee provided for by the law." ...
UK Denseness

A UK Treasury spokesman said: “The Treasury will consult with colleagues in Iceland to understand why this Bill has not been passed."

It should be perfectly clear that the bill passed but that the president, acting like I wish presidents here would act, went along with the wishes of the citizens of Iceland.

You have to be dense to not understand that, although I suppose it is amazing that presidents anywhere actually listen to their citizens.

You Take Risk, You Pay The Price

This case is easy. There is no free lunch. Extra yield comes with risk. If you take risks, you pay the price. Icelandic citizens should not have to bear the brunt of this folly. I commend Iceland for telling the UK and Netherlands where to go.

Including the Netherlands, the amount in question is about $5 billion. With the veritable $trillions being flipped like pancakes these days, $5 billion might not sound like much. However, it is a very big deal to Iceland.

Per Capita Cost

The population of Iceland is 317,593 as of December 1, 2009. Let's do the math. $5,000,000,000 divided by 317,593 = $15,743.42.

Noridicom shows there were 116,000 Iceland households in 2005. Let's assume the number is 120,000 today. The household payout would be $41,666.67.

Now how long would it take the average Icelandic household to pay that back? I commend Iceland for figuring out that a loan from the IMF is simply not worth the price.

The irony in this mess is that Fitch immediately downgraded Iceland. Heck, the way I see it Iceland ought to be upgraded. With a debt overhand from the IMF, Iceland would have had a default looming over its head for a decade with its citizens struggling under a burden of that debt for a decade or longer.

Iceland may have other problems but at least that one was resolved (hopefully), the quick and painless way. And that should have been the model for US banks as well. The stockholders and bondholders should be the first ones wiped out. Instead, Bush started and Obama continued with a policy to punish the innocent to bail out the wealthy, leaving the average taxpayer deep in the hole, against the clear will of the majority.

Beware IMF Trojan Horses

Figuratively speaking, Iceland effectively told the UK and Netherlands to go to hell. That is a good first step. Next, it needs to vote out of office all the political dunderheads in parliament who voted for that ridiculous payout. That would seal the fate once and for all.

In the meantime, Iceland needs to continue its resolve while avoiding associations with the IMF, an organization with nothing to offer but Trojan Horses that would further weaken the country.


Iceland's President Effectively Tells U.K. 'Go To Hell': Hooray for Iceland -- Seeking Alpha
 
in ogni caso la fama degli "argentini" ormai se la sono fatta....tutto sommato ripagare i debiti non cambierebbe la situazione di moltissimo

esuberanza razionale o irrazionale? boh:D:D:D
 

Islanda, Fitch taglia rating lungo termine a BB+


MILANO, 5 gennaio (Reuters) - Fitch ha tagliato i rating di lungo termine sul debito estero e sulla divisa locale dell'Islanda, rispettivamente, a 'BB+' e 'BBB+' da 'BBB-' e A-'.
Per entrambi l'outlook è negativo.
Il provvedimento, si legge in una nota di Fitch, è conseguenza della decisione del presidente islandese di sottoporre l'accordo cosiddetto 'Icesave' a un referendum, una mossa che crea "una nuova ondata di incertezza finanziaria, politica ed economica".
Secondo Fitch, il profilo di credito economico e del debito sovrano dell'Islanda non corrisponde più a un rating investment grade.



La notizia è in inglese, già postata ieri sul thread. Ma aggiungo io: certo che queste agenzie di rating sono strane, mantenere la doppia BB ad un paese che non vuole trattare i danni sui risarcimenti compiuti delle proprie banche all'estero ... oltre a tutti i problemi valutari.

Ma per avere la singola B, per Fitch, è sufficiente essere ad un passo dal default?
 

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