Obbligazioni societarie Monitor bond case automobilistiche e accessorio auto (2 lettori)

lorenzo63

Age quod Agis
nanotecnologie: solo il nome mi affascina, credo che ci faranno grandi cose anche se sono totalmente ignorante in materia.
sull'idrogeno dall'oil... è la solita questione politica vedremo come va a finire, anche se mi chiedo ancora come funzionerebbe la distribuzione/immagazzinamento di idrogeno liquido oppure la reazione per l'estrazione avviene su autovettura?

mi sa che mi devo aggiornare... sono rimasto indietro
spero di avere un po' di tempo nel prossimo futuro

grazie Lorenzo!
notte:up:

Direttamente in macchina... mediante un catalizzatore...ed è qui il problema: l' efficacia e la durata.Ma come tutte le cose se c'è l' interesse si risolve.
L'Idrogeno dalla benzina (o dal gasolio): in realtà ne è contenuto di piu'ed piu' facilmente "staccabile"...e l' Arabo è contento...
Buonanotte anche a te.:)
 

squalo

Nuovo forumer
Chiedo un consiglio sono indeciso tra bond daimler 23/5/12 5% che quota 96 e bond BMW 2013 4,625% ce quota 96,5 quale delle due case aut.e' piu' affidabile?hanno stesso rating con outlook neg,cds mi dicono Daimler(257 contro 339)
Comprate entrambi per non sbagliare senza rottamazione...(ma con rendimenti oltre il 5% netto)
 

Imark

Forumer storico
Il downgrade di Fiat da parte di S&P...

Attenzione perché questo dato non mi pare sia emerso in quanto letto sulla stampa italiana: l'agenzia enfatizza la circostanza, nell'effettuare la riduzione di rating, di cui si parlava con Capirex e con altri in questo ed in altri 3D, ossia quella per cui Fiat al momento non ha la liquidità necessaria per fare fronte alla scadenze debitorie nei prossimi 12 mesi.

Per tale ragione i rating rimangono ancora sotto osservazione per un possibile ulteriore abbattimento legato alla situazione della liquidità, a maggior ragione se, come sembra estremamente probabile, Fiat brucerà cassa nel 2009.

Se Fiat non riesce a procurarsi un sostegno ai livelli di liquidità (bancario o di altro tipo), il rating potrebbe calare drasticamente nei prossimi mesi. Solo ove un tale tentativo avesse successo, si potrebbe assistere ad una stabilizzazione del rating sui livelli attuali.

Circa Chrysler, S&P dà per assunto che - se l'alleanza dovesse effettivamente realizzarsi, non ci sia alcuna uscita di cash (sarebbe suicida, nella situazione attuale) o impegno in tal senso da parte di Fiat, ma anche il livello di coinvolgimento di risorse diverse dal cash (if any ... viene precisato) meriterà un attento scrutinio.

Insomma, una situazione all'insegna di una grande precarietà.

Carmaker Fiat SpA Becomes A Fallen Angel On Downgrade To 'BB+/B' Re Weak Liquidity; Long-Term Rating Still On Watch Neg

MILAN (Standard & Poor's) March 31, 2009--Standard & Poor's Ratings Services said today that it has lowered its long- and short-term corporate credit ratings on Italian industrial group Fiat SpA to 'BB+/B' from 'BBB-/A-3'. The long-term rating remains on CreditWatch with negative implications, where it was placed on Jan. 22, 2009, while the short-term rating was removed from CreditWatch.

Standard & Poor's also lowered to 'BB+' from 'BBB-' its long-term ratings
on the senior unsecured debt issues of wholly owned subsidiaries Fiat Finance & Trade Ltd. and Fiat Finance North America Inc. These ratings remain on CreditWatch with negative implications. At the same time, we assigned a recovery of rating of '3' to these issues, indicating our expectation of meaningful (50%-70%) recovery in the event of a payment default.

"The downgrade reflects our opinion of Fiat's weak liquidity position
considering 2009 and 2010 debt maturities
," said Standard & Poor's credit analyst Barbara Castellano. "According to reported data as of Dec. 31, 2008, Fiat did not have enough available financial resources in the form of bank lines and existing cash to fully cover its financial maturities in the subsequent 12 months, barring the repayment by subsidiary CNH Global N.V. (BB+/Watch Neg/--) of some intercompany loans."

We note the deterioration of global demand in the auto and truck sectors, as well as difficult capital-market conditions worldwide. This lower demand could, in our view, negatively affect Fiat's operating performance and increase the risk of it having to burn cash again in 2009.

"The continued CreditWatch listing reflects our intention to review
Fiat's measures to improve its liquidity position over the coming months
," said Ms. Castellano.

We do not expect Fiat to commit any significant funds to support Chrysler LLC (CC/Negative/--) following the U.S. government's most recent analysis of Chrysler's financial needs to survive. Still, we expect more details in the coming weeks on the proposed Chrysler-Fiat alliance.

Fiat reported sound operating performance in 2008, increasing its trading margin to 5.7%, from 5.5% in 2007. However, reported free operating cash flow was a negative €4.8 billion, and reported industrial debt increased by about €6 billion, to €5.9 billion.

In 2008, the financial services business CNH Capital Corp. had to cope
with the decline in demand for asset-backed securities (ABS), and the group's industrial companies were called on to provide financial support.

We believe that interest in ABS could be recovering and that CNH Capital could also benefit from the U.S. Federal Reserve's TALF (Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility) program set to start in April 2009.

"We aim to resolve the CreditWatch placement within the next 90 days,
after reviewing any measures Fiat takes to improve its tight liquidity
position," said Ms. Castellano.

We expect some benefit to come from the securitization of CNH Capital's
financial receivables, as these should be supported by the TALF program in the U.S.

During this period, we also expect to receive further details on Fiat's
precise involvement in Chrysler. We currently assume that if the alliance is finalized, it will not involve any cash drain for Fiat, but we still need clarification on the level of engagement of nonfinancial resources, if any.

"A downgrade is possible if we believe that the group's liquidity
situation will remain weak and insufficient to cover financial obligations over the next 12 months," said Ms. Castellano
.

Standard & Poor's could also lower the ratings if, contrary to information that is currently in the public domain, it sees evidence that Fiat's involvement with Chrysler translates into cash outflows, or if it foresees the likelihood of a prolonged deterioration in auto demand beyond the
current year, leading to a worsening of the group's financial measures beyond the already expected weak 2009 levels.

In contrast, an affirmation is possible if Fiat succeeds in strengthening
its liquidity position
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
Japanese automakers rise on hopes March's weak but better-than-expected auto sales signal a bottom. In Tokyo, Nissan (NSANY) +13.8%, Honda (HMC) +10.7%, Toyota (TM) +5.5%.
 

yellow

Forumer attivo
Tempi grami per l'automotive incentrata su segmento medio-alto :

03.04.09 10:47 - Bmw: Moody's taglia rating ad A3, outlook negativo

FRANCOFORTE (MF-DJ)--Moody's ha tagliato il rating sul debito di lungo preiodo di Bmw da A2 ad A3 e quello di breve periodo da P-1 a P-2, confermando l'outlook a negativo.

Alla base della decisione dell'agenzia di rating, il forte e rapido rallentamento nella domanda per i veicoli della casa tedesca, che si e' tradotto in un significativo deterioramento delle metriche finanziarie nel 2008 e del profilo di debito della societa'.

Il broker prevede inoltre un ulteriore deterioramento delle flessibilita' finanziaria nell'anno in corso a causa del calo della domanda globale di auto.
 

Imark

Forumer storico
Un altro capitolo non privo di interesse, se non fosse che le prospettive del sotto-comparto ed inoltre il profilo di rischio finanziario degli issuer inducano a guardare e passare oltre (senza, per carità, soffermarsi), è quello degli autonoleggiatori.

Hertz, se non vado errato, dovrebbe essere anche fra i picks dei simpatici amici danesi di Jyske Bank... :D

Fra alto leverage degli issuer (Avis è messa anche peggio), scadenze di rifinanziamento che si avvicinano, caduta del valore dei veicoli usati, esigenza di incrementare il collaterale per i creditori secured e cattivo andamento del mercato del car rental, qui cadono tegole in testa agli investitori tutti i giorni. E il peggio deve ancora venire.

Hertz Corp. Rating Lowered To 'B' From 'BB-', Off Watch; Outlook Negative

NEW YORK (Standard & Poor's) March 31, 2009--Standard & Poor's Ratings Services today lowered its ratings on car and equipment renter Hertz Corp., including lowering the long-term corporate credit rating to 'B' from 'BB-'. All ratings were removed from CreditWatch, where they were placed with negative implications on Dec. 22, 2008. The outlook is now negative.

We also lowered our issue-level rating on the company's unsecured notes to 'CCC+' from 'B+'. At the same time, we revised the recovery rating on this debt to '6' from '5', indicating expectations of negligible (0%-10%) recovery of principal in the event of a payment default, based upon our expectation that the current credit markets will continue to require higher collateralization for secured vehicle facilities, leaving less available for the unsecured lenders.

Also, a shift by Hertz to a higher percentage of risk vehicles in its fleet, combined with a soft automotive retail market, suggests that unsecured recoveries would be lower in the event of a payment default.

The rating actions are based on a weakening in the company's financial profile that began in 2008 and that we expect will continue through at least late 2009 primarily because of reduced demand for car and equipment rentals in addition to our concerns regarding the company's approximately $6 billion of debt that matures through 2010.

"We expect the company's earnings and cash flow to remain under pressure in 2009 as a result of reduced demand and the effect of a weak (albeit recently somewhat improved) used car market, which will likely result in continued higher-than-expected depreciation expense," said Standard & Poor's credit analyst Betsy Snyder. "In addition, we are concerned about the company's ability to refinance a significant portion of its $6 billion of debt that matures through 2010.

If it appears that the company will be unsuccessful, we would likely lower the ratings further," the analyst continued.

The ratings on Park Ridge, N.J.-based Hertz reflect an aggressive financial profile following its $14 billion leveraged acquisition in December 2005; the price-competitive and cyclical nature of on-airport car rentals and equipment rentals; its exposure to the troubled automobile manufacturing industry; and significant refinancing risk--with $6 billion of debt maturities through 2010.

Ratings also incorporate the company's position as the largest global car rental company and the strong cash flow its businesses generate.

The rating incorporates our expectation that Hertz's financial profile will remain under pressure through 2009 due to anticipated weaker earnings and cash flow. The negative outlook reflects refinancing risk. If it appears that Hertz will be unable to refinance a significant portion of its $6 billion in debt that matures through 2010, which could be due to a variety of reasons (including continued constrained credit markets and the ongoing negative effect from problems related to the auto manufacturers), we would likely lower ratings.

However, if the company makes significant progress on refinancing its debt, we could revise the outlook to stable. While a bankruptcy of one or more of the auto manufacturers could cause some cash flow delays or further declines in used car values, these would not necessarily cause sufficient damage to result in a downgrade.

If the company purchases a portion of its term loan at a discounted price through a tender offer, we would evaluate whether we considered this a distressed debt purchase, which could ultimately result in a downgrade to 'SD' (selective default), if completed.
 

Imark

Forumer storico
Outlook compartimentale negativo per i produttori di componentistica auto europei.

I rating attuali scontano "solo" un calo consistente nelle vendite nel 2009 (stimato da Moody's nell'ordine del 20%, con una ripresa nella seconda metà dell'anno rispetto ai livelli attuali) e nessun miglioramento significativo nel 2010, ma le cose potrebbero peggiorare in termini di lunghezza e/o di profondità della crisi, il che guiderebbe i rating stessi verso un ulteriore indebolimento già nel 2009.

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Moody's: Negative Outlook for European Automotive Parts Manufacturers[/FONT]
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[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Economic Downturn Depressing Demand; Worst Climate Since Early 1990s [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Frankfurt, March 31, 2009 -- The outlook for European automotive parts manufacturers is negative, reflecting the industry's ongoing challenges of decreased vehicle demand and auto supplier volumes, says Moody's Investors Service in a new report. [/FONT]
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[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]The degree to which suppliers are able to maintain revenue, earnings and free cash flow in the midst of substantial drops in vehicle production volumes will be a major determinant of ratings in the coming 12-18 months, in particular if 2009 turns out worse than currently predicted. [/FONT]
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[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]The report, "European Automotive Parts Manufacturers Industry Outlook," expresses the rating agency's expectations for fundamental credit conditions in the industry for the next 12-18 months. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]"Although the past three years have been challenging for the European automotive supply industry, 2009 is likely to be the most demanding since the early 1990s," says Rainer Neidnig, an Analyst in Moody's Corporate Finance Group and author of the report. "The credit crisis and the resulting unexpectedly rapid and sharp drop in car production volumes will put ratings to the test across the industry. Though current ratings anticipate a substantial drop in sales in 2009, and no meaningful recovery in 2010, ratings could migrate further downward in 2009 should the prognosis for the length and depth of the economic downturn worsen," he says. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Moody's expects delivery volumes from European suppliers to automotive original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) worldwide to drop by close to 20% and possibly more in 2009 compared to 2008, with the decline particularly pronounced in the first six months of the year as volumes sold by OEMs will likely outpace car production. [/FONT]
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[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Earnings are also likely to suffer in 2009 as suppliers are unable to trim short-term fixed costs enough to compensate for the reduced level of demand. Longer-term restructuring measures, while welcome and necessary, will result in cash and non-cash charges that will pose an additional burden on earnings. Hence, many suppliers will struggle to report positive operating results in 2009 for their automotive-related activities. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Moody's also believes that suppliers' cash flow generation will suffer, but probably less so than earnings. Access to credit has become tighter and much more expensive. Most companies' refinancing needs mature in 2010 or later, but financial covenants could become an increasing issue in 2009, especially for lower-rated companies. [/FONT]
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[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Furthermore, a financial restructuring at one of the "Detroit 3" (GM, Chrysler and Ford) could result in material rating pressure, particularly for EMEA suppliers at the low end of the rating scale. Moody's would expect the rating impact at most of the larger parts suppliers to be limited. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Moody's will continue to monitor the economic situation, as well as the measures taken by companies to adjust operations to lower volumes and to limit the impact on cash flow and financial leverage, and take appropriate rating action as needed. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Moody's currently rates 11 European automotive suppliers located in France (2), Germany (6), Slovakia (1), Sweden (1) and the UK (1). [/FONT]
 

Imark

Forumer storico
Tempi grami per l'automotive incentrata su segmento medio-alto :

03.04.09 10:47 - Bmw: Moody's taglia rating ad A3, outlook negativo

FRANCOFORTE (MF-DJ)--Moody's ha tagliato il rating sul debito di lungo preiodo di Bmw da A2 ad A3 e quello di breve periodo da P-1 a P-2, confermando l'outlook a negativo.

Alla base della decisione dell'agenzia di rating, il forte e rapido rallentamento nella domanda per i veicoli della casa tedesca, che si e' tradotto in un significativo deterioramento delle metriche finanziarie nel 2008 e del profilo di debito della societa'.

Il broker prevede inoltre un ulteriore deterioramento delle flessibilita' finanziaria nell'anno in corso a causa del calo della domanda globale di auto.

Il commento alla rating action, per chi fosse interessato ad approfondire... non solo cattive notizie, nonostante tutto, come già si era detto a commento della trimestrale e dei conti del 2008.

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Moody's downgrades BMW to A3/P-2 with a negative outlook.[/FONT]
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[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Approximately EUR 38.3 Billion of Debt Affected. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Frankfurt, April 03, 2009 -- Moody's Investors Service today downgraded BMW's long term ratings to A3 from A2 and its short term ratings to P-2 from P-1. The outlook is negative. This concludes the review for downgrade initiated February 18, 2009. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Falk Frey, Senior Vice President and the lead analyst at Moody's for the European automotive sector, said: "The downgrade to A3/P-2 reflects the severe and rapid downturn in demand for BMW's vehicles which resulted in a significant deterioration in financial metrics in 2008, the short debt maturity profile of BMW group as well as our expectation of a further worsening of financial flexibility in the current fiscal year due to the global decline in auto demand." [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]The negative outlook reflects the risk of (i) a further weakening in BMW's financial performance and prospects in the current fiscal year beyond our current assumptions, (ii) increasing pricing pressure i.e. rising incentives triggered by the target of OEMs to reduce inventories, (iii) additional pressure on residual values that could lead to further risk provisions impairments as well as a continued rise in credit losses. The negative outlook also reflects the weak liquidity profile with sizable short term debt maturities resulting from Financial Services operations though reflecting largely matching assets duration. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Revenues of BMW Group declined by 5.0% to €53.2 billion. Revenues in the Automobiles segment dropped by -9.4% to €48.8 billion compared to FY2007. The segment Motorcycles reported sales of €1.2 billion (+0.2%) and Financial Services revenues increased by 12.8% to €15.7 billion.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Unit sales volumes decreased by less than revenues in the Automobiles segment (-4.3%) indicating a deterioration in the Price/Mix towards smaller cars, also impacted by the decline in the 5-series that is due to be renewed in 2010. According to BMW, the negative price/mix/volume effect had an adverse impact from of €1.4 billion. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]BMW's reported EBIT in the Automobiles Segment declined by 80% to €690 million in 2008. This includes a burden from risk provision of €911 million in the segment and a charge of €452 million due to personnel reduction. The company calculated an adjusted EBIT for the automobile segment of €2,053 million (4.2% EBIT margin) compared to €3,450 million (6.4% EBIT margin) in the previous year.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Moody's positively notes that BMW has been able, despite the significant decline in demand especially in the last quarter of 2008, to release working capital of €1.2 billion in 2008 and limit reported negative automobile free cash flow to €81 million. This compares favourable to all other European OEMs that were not able to adjust production to the rapid decline in demand and burned between €3-6 billion in cash each. In Q4 2008, BMW has cut production by 96,000 units (7% of total FY2008 sales). [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Moody's anticipates a further deterioration in BMW's profitability and key credit metrics in the first half 2009 based on the company's car demand declining by more than 20% and Moody's expectation that the company's premium cars do not materially benefit from the positive demand in new vehicles starting to materialise in key European countries mainly Germany, France and Italy driven by high scrapping incentives.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]BMW's ratings would come under further pressure in case of (i) a substantial weakening of the company's cash generation, evidenced by negative free cash flows of more than €1.0 billion in 2009 and inability to return to a significantly positive free cash flow in 2010 (ii) failure to preserve EBITA close to break-even and to recover EBITA margins (as adjusted by Moody's) trending towards 4.0% in 2010 as well as (iii) additional residual value provisions required in 2009 and (iv) a persistent weakness of the company's liquidity profile.[/FONT]

Moody's last rating action on BMW was a review for possible downgrade of the A2 long-term and P-1 short-term ratings on February 18, 2009.

Headquartered in Munich, Germany, BMW is the only European car and motorcycle manufacturer focused entirely on the premium segment, manufacturing and selling the BMW, MINI and Rolls-Royce brands.

The group's financial services business offers leasing, retail and dealership financing, and holds a bank license through its wholly owned subsidiaries BMW Bank GmbH and BMW Bank of North America, Inc. In 2008 BMW generated revenues of €53 billion.
 

Imark

Forumer storico
Le anticipazioni di Daimler sul mercato dei veicoli industriali quest'anno nel Q1... vendite -39%, ordini -68%... stime di fine anno per un calo del 30-50% per il mercato europeo, del 40% per il mercato giapponese, del 30% almeno per quello USA.

Varati da Daimler ulteriori tagli ai costi per aggiuntivi 500 mln euro nel 2009, non si escludono più tagli del personale ove la situazione congiunturale non dovesse migliorare.

Per l'automobile, nel migliore dei casi, Daimler prevede che il bottom del mercato venga raggiunto non prima di fine 2009, e dà un forecast di perdita pesante per l'azienda nel suo complesso nel Q1/2009.

Prioritario resta il destocking, sgombrare i piazzali dai mezzi invenduti.

APRIL 8, 2009, 6:11 A.M. ET

2nd UPDATE: Daimler Says Chrysler Stake Sale Talks Difficult

By Christoph RauwaldOf DOW JONES NEWSWIRESBERLIN (Dow Jones)--Daimler AG (DAI) Chief Executive Dieter Zetsche Wednesday said that talks with Cerberus Capital Management LP over a sale of the German automaker's remaining 19.9% stake in Chrysler LLC were ongoing, but that the private-equity firm's demands were unacceptable.

"Cerberus' demands are making it difficult to reach an agreement," Zetsche said in a speech at the company's annual general meeting.
Daimler sold an 80.1% stake in Chrysler to Cerberus in August, 2007, after the alliance failed to reap the expected benefits.

Daimler reduced the book value of its Chrysler stake to zero last year. Charges related to the remaining stake slashed EUR3.23 billion from Daimler's earnings in 2008.

Separately, Zetsche said that Daimler's truck sales in the first quarter were down 39% on the year. Orders fell by 68% year-on-year in the first three months, he said.

Daimler's truck division is the world's largest producer of commercial vehicles by sales.

Zetsche said the European truck market is expected to contract by between 30% and 50% this year. The Japanese market is expected to shrink by 40%, while the U.S. market could fall by almost 30%.

Zetsche said the company is reacting to the steep downturn on global car and truck markets with tough cost cuts.

He said Daimler planned to cut administration costs "by another EUR500 million" in 2009. Overall, Zetsche reiterated that Daimler targets cost reductions of several billion euros in order to streamline its operations.
Zetsche said that layoffs can't be ruled out if the crisis continued, echoing remarks made earlier this month by Daimler's executive board member for personnel, Gunther Fleig.

Zetsche reiterated that revenues are expected to shrink significantly this year. "Automotive markets will not bottom out before the second half of the year, at the earliest," he said.

Daimler expects a "significant" first-quarter loss, with results "gradually improving" in the course of 2009.

He reiterated that reducing inventory remained a top priority, confirming that Daimler wanted to lower inventory back to a level that "corresponds with the current market volume."
 

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