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Imark

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Downgrade anche per Valeo da parte di Moody's, con il corporate rating di lungo termine che passa a Ba2, soprattutto sull'assunto, molto interessante per chi legge qui, che il mercato europeo dell'auto nel 2010 sarà debole e sotto i livelli del 2009, in conseguenza del ridursi in consistenza ed efficacia degli incentivi alla rottamazione varati da numerosi paesi europei.

Particolarmente debole - secondo Moody's - si prospetta l'andamento del mercato automobilistico premium in Europa, che è anche quello che si vale della componentistica di maggior pregio e a più elevato valore aggiunto.

Di conseguenza, nonostante i programmi di contenimento dei costi varati da Valeo e mirati alla salvaguardia dei margini e la consistente liquidità disponibile, con una modulazione delle scadenze debitorie ben dilazionata nel tempo, che non sollevano esigenza di rifinanziamenti nel breve termine, Moody's ritiene che i tempi per il recupero da parte di Valeo di una metrica finanziaria maggiormente in linea con il rating Ba2, in quanto attualmente i livelli di EBIT margin, di cash burning e di leverage collocano la metrica finanziaria di Valeo su livelli deboli anche rispetto al rating attuale.

L'outlook stabile esprime confidenza da parte di Moody's circa la possibilità che un tale recupero possa avere luogo in un arco di tempo successivo ai 12-18 mesi.

Moody's downgrades Valeo's ratings to Ba2/NP with a stable outlook

Approximately EUR1.0 billion of Debt Securities Affected

Frankfurt, August 12, 2009 -- Moody's Investors Service today downgraded to Ba2 from Ba1 the Corporate Family Rating (CFR) and the senior unsecured rating as well as the Probability of Default Rating (PDR) of Valeo S.A ("Valeo") with a stable outlook. The Not Prime short term rating was not affected.

Falk Frey, Senior Vice President and lead analyst at Moody's for Valeo, commented: "The rating change reflects Moody's view that the deteriorated market conditions in most automotive markets will not materially recover in 2010 and Valeo's key markets in Western Europe will decline compared to the current year due to the phase out of most incentive schemes. Despite the steps taken early by the company to adjust its cost base, the anticipated improvements in the company's financial flexibility over the intermediate term are likely therefore not be sufficient for the Ba1 rating category."

In the first half of 2009 Valeo reported a negative operating margin (operating income less income and expenses) of €51 million (-1.5% of sales) versus a positive margin of €203 million in H1 2008 (4.2% of sales). After deduction of other financial income and expenses of €37 million Valeo generated a negative operating income of €88 million in H1 2009 compared to an operating profit of €182 million in H1 '08.

Valeo expects that the rebound in automobile production will continue in the third quarter, through the combined impact of incentive programs for new vehicles in Europe and the return to growth in emerging markets.

Therefore, the company has revised upwards its automotive production forecast with an anticipated fall of 7% in the second half of the year and a fall of 17% for the full year as compared to -10% and -20% respectively for the second half and the full year. On the basis of this scenario, Valeo has set an objective of positive operating margin for the second half of the year and an improvement of its cash consumption for the full year limited to around €200 million after payment of €230 million related to restructuring costs.

Moody's notes that the successful implementation of cost savings resulting from measures to adjust production volumes and capacity as well as lower raw material costs resulted in a modest positive operating margin in the second quarter 2009 and Moody's would expect some further improvements in the second half of the current year based on higher production volumes compared to the first half this year.

Nonetheless, the decline in volumes expected by the agency in Western Europe next year as the scrappage programs are reduced or eliminated together with the deteriorated mix resulting from the strong trend towards smaller cars equipped with less value of content of supplier parts that in the agency's view could dampen any quick recovery to historical financial metrics.

Also, it is Moody's opinion that the announcement of a new organizational structure and its implementation could lead to additional upfront expenses over the next quarters that increase the likelihood that financial metrics targeted by Moody's for the current fiscal year in order to avoid a downgrade will not be achieved.

The Ba2 rating continues to reflect the company's size, its broad product range and leading market positions in the automotive supplier industry as well as a prudent financial policy which mitigate weak credit metrics for the category anticipated by Moody's in the intermediate term.

The stable outlook reflects the rapid and successful realisation of cost savings from the early implementation of vigorous restructuring measures to react to the current downturn in demand and even more important Valeo's solid liquidity profile which provides some time to bridge until operating performance and credit metrics will improve to be more in line with the Ba2 ratings. The stable outlook also acknowledges the fact that the company's competitive position has not eroded.

Positive pressure on the ratings could evolve should financial metrics (as adjusted by Moody's) recover more than anticipated over the next 12-18 months exemplified by (i) a rise in EBIT margins shifting close to 3.0% in 2010 with anticipation of further improvement onwards; (ii) free cash flow generation from 2010 onwards of more than Euro 100 million as well as (iii) Debt/EBITDA reduced towards 3.5x by 2010 with further improvement in the years beyond.


However, the ratings could come under further pressure in case of (i) worsening of market trends in the automotive sector than our current expectations next year especially in Europe or beyond 2010; (ii) failure to redress EBITA margin level over the medium term with an intermediate step of around 1.5% next year as well as (iii) inability to reduce leverage (Debt/EBITDA) to a level materially lower than 4.5x by 2010 and (iv) failure to return to a positive free cash flow from 2010 onwards.

Valeo's liquidity profile remains solid, with a long dated maturity schedule. Liquidity is provided by sizable amounts of cash readily available, a comfortable amount of headroom under its committed high quality bilateral bank lines maturing in more than 1 year as well as operating cash flows.


These sources should cover all cash needs over the next 12 months arising from debt maturities, capital expenditures, working capital and day-to-day needs as well as dividend payments.
The Ba2 rating incorporates the assumption that the solid liquidity profile will be maintained over the medium term thereby maintaining solid headroom under its financial covenants.

Downgrades:
..Issuer: Valeo
....Probability of Default Rating, Downgraded to Ba2 from Ba1
....Corporate Family Rating, Downgraded to Ba2 from Ba1
....Multiple Seniority Medium-Term Note Program, Downgraded to a range of Ba3 to Ba2 from a range of Ba2 to Ba1
....Senior Unsecured Regular Bond/Debenture, Downgraded to Ba2 from Ba1
Outlook Actions:
..Issuer: Valeo
....Outlook, Changed To Stable From Negative


.....

Moody's last rating action on Valeo was a downgrade to Ba1/Not Prime with a negative outlook from Baa3/Prime-3 on January 7, 2009.

Valeo S.A., headquartered in Paris, is one of the leading global suppliers of automotive components. Valeo generated total sales of € 3.5 billion in the first half 2009
 

grassbond

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valeo

State alla larga da valeo,che e' gia' stata piu' volte in serie difficolta'....
Forse si puo' ritornare ad acquistare ford in euro,bond sotto la pari,vasta scelta,vedere yahoo finanza.
 

Imark

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Le banche "captive" dei produttori automobilistici ... Ci sono problemi per le agenzie di rating, perché portare una banca a rating speculativo significa di per sé che le difficoltà di rifinanziamento di quella banca saranno consistenti, e per paradosso è probabile vi sia un rapporto causa-effetto fra downgrade e (accresciute) difficoltà di accesso della banca ai mercati finanziari.

Così le agenzie di rating danno una mano, come fa S&P rispetto a Banque PSA, che viene lasciata a rating BBB nonostante il downgrade di Peugeot, sancendone il collocarsi del rating due livelli al di sopra del rating del gruppo di appartenza (anziché uno, come in passato), anche sulla scorta del supporto atteso da parte dello stato francese nei confronti delle banche commerciali, dato che appunto Banque PSA è banca commerciale a tutti gli effetti.

S&P tuttavia più di tanto chiarisce di non poter fare, ed in caso di downgrade di Peugeot di un altro livello, a quota BB, dichiara da subito che Banque PSA scenderà anch'essa a rating BBB-.

Con l'evidente speranza che il problema non si ponga oltre, dato che BBB- è l'ultimo gradino dell'Investment Grade...

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]France-Based Banque PSA Finance Affirmed At 'BBB/A-2' Despite Downgrade Of Its Parent, Peugeot; Outlook Negative[/FONT]


  • We affirmed France-based car finance company BPF at 'BBB/A-2' despite our downgrade of its parent, carmaker Peugeot, to 'BB+/B'.
  • In doing so, we widened the difference between the ratings on the bank and parent to two notches from one.
  • The two-notch difference reflects the bank's resilient stand-alone credit profile, partly due to the French state's support to the country's banking system.
  • The negative outlook reflects both the negative outlook on Peugeot and the medium-term challenges the bank faces.

PARIS (Standard & Poor's) Aug. 13, 2009--Standard & Poor's Ratings Services said today that it has affirmed its 'BBB/A-2' long- and short-term counterparty credit ratings on French car finance company Banque PSA Finance (BPF). At the same time, we removed both ratings from CreditWatch with negative implications, where they were placed on June 25, 2009, following a similar rating action on BPF's sole parent, France-based carmaker Peugeot S.A. (BB+/Negative/B). The outlook on BPF is negative.

We have for some time rated BPF, which we view as Peugeot's captive finance arm, one notch above the long-term rating on its parent. We base this rating differential on the bank's stronger and more resilient financial profile, fully independent refinancing strategy, and a regulatory and legal status, as a bank, that restricts parental influence (see "Regulation Benefits Ratings On European Automakers' Captive Finance Subsidiaries," published May 18, 2006).

"With this rating action, we have widened the rating differential to two notches because we believe the bank's stand-alone credit profile will remain relatively resilient throughout the economic cycle.

In addition, we believe the French state will remain supportive to the country's banks, including BPF," said Standard & Poor's credit analyst Pierre Gautier.

"The negative outlook reflects both the negative outlook on Peugeot and the medium-term challenges the bank faces," said Mr. Gautier.

We believe the auto market will remain bleak in 2010. We also consider that term funds will be scarcer and more expensive than in the past, and that credit risk costs could increase more than we currently expect.

The above-mentioned elements could weigh on the bank's profitability prospects and funding profile.

A one-notch downgrade of Peugeot to 'BB' would likely trigger a parallel downgrade of the bank to 'BBB-'. In that case, we would also reassess the bank's creditworthiness to determine whether it still has all of the characteristics of an investment-grade entity.

Given the bank's existing tight links with Peugeot, we expect the rating differential between the two to remain moderate. A revision of BPF's outlook back to stable would likely first necessitate a similar rating action on Peugeot.
 

Uff

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Le banche "captive" dei produttori automobilistici ... Ci sono problemi per le agenzie di rating, perché portare una banca a rating speculativo significa di per sé che le difficoltà di rifinanziamento di quella banca saranno consistenti, e per paradosso è probabile vi sia un rapporto causa-effetto fra downgrade e (accresciute) difficoltà di accesso della banca ai mercati finanziari.

Così le agenzie di rating danno una mano, come fa S&P rispetto a Banque PSA, che viene lasciata a rating BBB nonostante il downgrade di Peugeot, sancendone il collocarsi del rating due livelli al di sopra del rating del gruppo di appartenza (anziché uno, come in passato), anche sulla scorta del supporto atteso da parte dello stato francese nei confronti delle banche commerciali, dato che appunto Banque PSA è banca commerciale a tutti gli effetti.

S&P tuttavia più di tanto chiarisce di non poter fare, ed in caso di downgrade di Peugeot di un altro livello, a quota BB, dichiara da subito che Banque PSA scenderà anch'essa a rating BBB-.

Con l'evidente speranza che il problema non si ponga oltre, dato che BBB- è l'ultimo gradino dell'Investment Grade...

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]France-Based Banque PSA Finance Affirmed At 'BBB/A-2' Despite Downgrade Of Its Parent, Peugeot; Outlook Negative[/FONT]


  • We affirmed France-based car finance company BPF at 'BBB/A-2' despite our downgrade of its parent, carmaker Peugeot, to 'BB+/B'.
  • In doing so, we widened the difference between the ratings on the bank and parent to two notches from one.
  • The two-notch difference reflects the bank's resilient stand-alone credit profile, partly due to the French state's support to the country's banking system.
  • The negative outlook reflects both the negative outlook on Peugeot and the medium-term challenges the bank faces.
PARIS (Standard & Poor's) Aug. 13, 2009--Standard & Poor's Ratings Services said today that it has affirmed its 'BBB/A-2' long- and short-term counterparty credit ratings on French car finance company Banque PSA Finance (BPF). At the same time, we removed both ratings from CreditWatch with negative implications, where they were placed on June 25, 2009, following a similar rating action on BPF's sole parent, France-based carmaker Peugeot S.A. (BB+/Negative/B). The outlook on BPF is negative.

We have for some time rated BPF, which we view as Peugeot's captive finance arm, one notch above the long-term rating on its parent. We base this rating differential on the bank's stronger and more resilient financial profile, fully independent refinancing strategy, and a regulatory and legal status, as a bank, that restricts parental influence (see "Regulation Benefits Ratings On European Automakers' Captive Finance Subsidiaries," published May 18, 2006).

"With this rating action, we have widened the rating differential to two notches because we believe the bank's stand-alone credit profile will remain relatively resilient throughout the economic cycle.

In addition, we believe the French state will remain supportive to the country's banks, including BPF," said Standard & Poor's credit analyst Pierre Gautier.

"The negative outlook reflects both the negative outlook on Peugeot and the medium-term challenges the bank faces," said Mr. Gautier.

We believe the auto market will remain bleak in 2010. We also consider that term funds will be scarcer and more expensive than in the past, and that credit risk costs could increase more than we currently expect.

The above-mentioned elements could weigh on the bank's profitability prospects and funding profile.

A one-notch downgrade of Peugeot to 'BB' would likely trigger a parallel downgrade of the bank to 'BBB-'. In that case, we would also reassess the bank's creditworthiness to determine whether it still has all of the characteristics of an investment-grade entity.

Given the bank's existing tight links with Peugeot, we expect the rating differential between the two to remain moderate. A revision of BPF's outlook back to stable would likely first necessitate a similar rating action on Peugeot.
interessante :up:....di fatto oggi psa 33 6% improvvisamente si è riempita la lettera....altre news:-?......
 

Dupondius

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Utile agganciare le considerazioni fatte nel post precedente con quelle sviluppate a suo tempo con Dupondius in questo 3D...

http://www.investireoggi.it/forum/p...tare-la-call-vt42548.html?p=958697#post958697

Prego voler correggere la formulazione di questo post, da cui sembra che il sottoscritto abbia attivamente partecipato allo "sviluppo di considerazioni" :D.

Grazie per il tuo continuo lavoro :up::clap::up:

P.S.: se a dicembre Volkswagenbank rimborsa, vado sulle Banque PSA.
 

Imark

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interessante :up:....di fatto oggi psa 33 6% improvvisamente si è riempita la lettera....altre news:-?......

L'HY sta stornando insieme con l'equity... per ora (ma occorrerà che lo storno sia più consistente) non c'è quella decorrelazione fra HY ed equity che di norma segna la ripartenza di un ciclo duraturo dell'HY... siamo solo ad un secondo giorno di storno, ce ne vorrebbe uno più significativo prima di poter trarre conclusioni...

Resta comunque quanto detto in precedenza su di un titolo HY a scadenza 2033, che espone insieme ad un rischio emittente e ad un rischio relativo all'andamento dei tassi (e per paradosso, ad entrambi contestualmente ove dovesse aversi una qualche ripartenza dell'economia con i settori più ciclici, quale l'automotive, ancora in decisa sofferenza).

Opinioni personali, ovviamente... ;) meglio stare corti su titoli di questi emittenti e se si vuole fare trading per puntare sull'andamento atteso dei rendimenti di lungo termine, scegliersi piuttosto un corporate solidamente IG... un France Telecom o un Deutsche Telekom o un Telefonica, a TF che scade nel 2020-2025, e fai trading lì sopra...
 

Imark

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Prego voler correggere la formulazione di questo post, da cui sembra che il sottoscritto abbia attivamente partecipato allo "sviluppo di considerazioni" :D.

Grazie per il tuo continuo lavoro :up::clap::up:

P.S.: se a dicembre Volkswagenbank rimborsa, vado sulle Banque PSA.

Senza domande che siano di stimolo alla discussione, non c'è discussione, non è vero ? E' partecipazione attiva anche questa... ;)
 

Uff

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L'HY sta stornando insieme con l'equity... per ora (ma occorrerà che lo storno sia più consistente) non c'è quella decorrelazione fra HY ed equity che di norma segna la ripartenza di un ciclo duraturo dell'HY... siamo solo ad un secondo giorno di storno, ce ne vorrebbe uno più significativo prima di poter trarre conclusioni...

Resta comunque quanto detto in precedenza su di un titolo HY a scadenza 2033, che espone insieme ad un rischio emittente e ad un rischio relativo all'andamento dei tassi (e per paradosso, ad entrambi contestualmente ove dovesse aversi una qualche ripartenza dell'economia con i settori più ciclici, quale l'automotive, ancora in decisa sofferenza).

Opinioni personali, ovviamente... ;) meglio stare corti su titoli di questi emittenti e se si vuole fare trading per puntare sull'andamento atteso dei rendimenti di lungo termine, scegliersi piuttosto un corporate solidamente IG... un France Telecom o un Deutsche Telekom o un Telefonica, a TF che scade nel 2020-2025, e fai trading lì sopra...

grazie mark...Sempre completo nelle tue risposte:up:...decisamente questo titolo è salito molto(forse troppo) e chi l'acq. basso ( 50/60 ) ora realizza e scarica ...però valutata la stagnazione dei tassi e l'importanza del marchio PSA non temo chissà quali ripercussioni future...per ora sono leggermente entrato sotto i 73....poi si vedrà;)
 

Imark

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grazie mark...Sempre completo nelle tue risposte:up:...decisamente questo titolo è salito molto(forse troppo) e chi l'acq. basso ( 50/60 ) ora realizza e scarica ...però valutata la stagnazione dei tassi e l'importanza del marchio PSA non temo chissà quali ripercussioni future...per ora sono leggermente entrato sotto i 73....poi si vedrà;)

In bocca al lupo... qui lo seguiamo di sicuro... :up:
 

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