Draco
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allora ti sono stato utile
Utilissimo come sempre.
Neo prova la piatta VT T e fammi sapere grazie
Buonanotte
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Utilissimo come sempre.
Neo prova la piatta VT T e fammi sapere grazie
Buonanotte
NEO_99
Forumer storico
grazie a te per la segnalazione... appena trovo un attimo la sbircio
Moma
Nipote di Massam
Un consiglio per chi è nel gas col 100% o quasi di portafoglio:
- se ha una conoscenza del titolo paria a zero o poco più
- se soo soldi che potrebbe servirgli nel breve termine
- non ha competenze nemmeno basilari in termini di analisi tecnica e/o analisi fondamentale (quella seria non quattro stupidate sulle scorte e sulla temperatura)
Beh non voglio passare per quello cattivo ma i suoi loss se li merita tutti...
Al mondo i soldi non te li regala nessuno e si fa più fatica a guadagnare 1000 euro in borsa che andando a lavorare... se pensate di guadagnare facilmente chiudete il conto online e mettete i soldi sotto il materasso perchè così fate di certo meno danni.
Son più di due anni che sento le stesse cose in questo forum gente che arriva e si fa spennare dal gas e non c'è verso tranne delle eccezioni tutti lossano, po lossano ancora e poi rilossano ancora di più cassettando mediando e facendo altre cagate del genere
non si fa così!!! Compratevi delle obligazioni piuttosto!!!
Ducciopa... con 120-130.000 euro con rendimenti al 5% netto (e si trovano... per esempio quelle a 10 anni Australiane) porti a casa 6.000 euro
Significa recuperare le minusvalenze in 3 anni.
Fermati un attimo e ragiona... quante possibilità hai di uscire al momento giusto dal lev??? O meglio arrivati a 0,38 e rotti esci??? Sei sicuro di uscire??? Hai la fermezza per dire "adesso esco in pari e basta" oppure come il 90% delle persone ti fai trascinare appena te la fanno annusare???
Queste CAZZ_O sono le domande che dovete farvi!!!
POi Neo scusami ma quello di tradare se non si è capaci è ancora peggio che star fermi... perchè spesso sembra di guadagnare ma alla fine si fa diventar ricca solo la banca... oltre al fatto che se non si è capaci (ed è davvero molto difficile) si incrementano solo i loss...
Ho provato a scalpare qualche volta e non si guadagna una sega o meglio il gioco non vale la candela....
- se ha una conoscenza del titolo paria a zero o poco più
- se soo soldi che potrebbe servirgli nel breve termine
- non ha competenze nemmeno basilari in termini di analisi tecnica e/o analisi fondamentale (quella seria non quattro stupidate sulle scorte e sulla temperatura)
Beh non voglio passare per quello cattivo ma i suoi loss se li merita tutti...
Al mondo i soldi non te li regala nessuno e si fa più fatica a guadagnare 1000 euro in borsa che andando a lavorare... se pensate di guadagnare facilmente chiudete il conto online e mettete i soldi sotto il materasso perchè così fate di certo meno danni.
Son più di due anni che sento le stesse cose in questo forum gente che arriva e si fa spennare dal gas e non c'è verso tranne delle eccezioni tutti lossano, po lossano ancora e poi rilossano ancora di più cassettando mediando e facendo altre cagate del genere
non si fa così!!! Compratevi delle obligazioni piuttosto!!!
Ducciopa... con 120-130.000 euro con rendimenti al 5% netto (e si trovano... per esempio quelle a 10 anni Australiane) porti a casa 6.000 euro
Significa recuperare le minusvalenze in 3 anni.
Fermati un attimo e ragiona... quante possibilità hai di uscire al momento giusto dal lev??? O meglio arrivati a 0,38 e rotti esci??? Sei sicuro di uscire??? Hai la fermezza per dire "adesso esco in pari e basta" oppure come il 90% delle persone ti fai trascinare appena te la fanno annusare???
Queste CAZZ_O sono le domande che dovete farvi!!!
POi Neo scusami ma quello di tradare se non si è capaci è ancora peggio che star fermi... perchè spesso sembra di guadagnare ma alla fine si fa diventar ricca solo la banca... oltre al fatto che se non si è capaci (ed è davvero molto difficile) si incrementano solo i loss...
Ho provato a scalpare qualche volta e non si guadagna una sega o meglio il gioco non vale la candela....
kleinklepura
Forumer storico
kleinklepura
Forumer storico
Piu' volte dissi chi non e' afferrato eviti di tradare il gas per recuperare le perdite,concordo meglio star fermi a quel punto!
NEO_99
Forumer storico
lo faccio con cippini... e in giornate dove la vola da' la possibilita'..
venerdi ho preso vari cip e quelli presi a 0.3335 0.337 0.3405 li ho ceduti oggi a 0.352 ...poi ho messo dei buy sui livelli dei gap (ovviamente allargati ) e mi son passati a 0.3415 0.3355 e 0.33 .. ogni operazione mi costa 5 euro e se faccio + di 5 operazioni scendo a 4 ..poi 3.5 ... quindi se spendo anche 15/20/30 euro ma porto a casa o cmq tolgo dal pmc 150/200 euro ..a me va bene, poi a fine hanno la piatta nuova , se cambio profilo, ogni operazione sopra i 2000 euro mi costa 3 euro
NEO_99
Forumer storico
European Union carbon permits erased early gains as natural-gas prices slumped, damping demand for emission allowances and undermining optimism that followed an agreement reached at the global climate summit in Mexico.
EU allowances for December 2011 dropped 0.3 percent to 14.85 euros ($19.88) a ton on London’s ICE Futures Europe exchange. They earlier rose as much as 1.8 percent, the biggest intraday increase since Nov. 17, after envoys at the United Nations’ meeting in Cancun reached agreements on reducing deforestation and a fund to manage aid for poorer nations.
U.K. natural gas for delivery next month lost as much as 3.7 percent to 57.2 pence a therm, the lowest intraday level since Dec. 2, according to broker prices compiled by Bloomberg. Lower gas prices may prompt some power generators to switch to the fuel, which requires half as many carbon permits as coal.
German baseload power for next month dropped 3.5 percent to 53.10 euros a megawatt-hour, the sharpest intraday decline since Nov. 1, according to broker prices compiled by Bloomberg. Lower prices can reduce the incentive to sell electricity forward, curbing demand for CO2 permits.
Negotiators at the United Nations meeting in Cancun, Mexico, agreed after two weeks of talks to a climate-protection package including a fund that would manage a “significant share” of the $100 billion annually pledged last year in aid for poorer nations by 2020 and a plan to reduce deforestation. They failed to agree on emission-reduction targets during the summit ended on Dec. 11.
‘Long and Challenging’
The meeting also approved carbon capture and storage projects as eligible to generate UN offsets, known as Certified Emission Reductions. CERs are issued to investors for projects to cut greenhouse gases in developing countries under the Clean Development Mechanism, the world’s second-biggest carbon market after the European Union’s cap-and-trade program.
The EU said on Dec. 11 the agreement was an important step on a “long and challenging” road toward a binding treaty to tackle global warming. The 27-nation bloc is on track to meet its internal target of cutting greenhouse gases by 20 percent by 2020 compared with 1990 and said it may deepen the goal to 30 percent should other nations follow suit.
It stopped short of doing so during the 2009 summit in Copenhagen, citing inadequate efforts by the U.S. and China.
The next UN summit aimed at ironing out a global climate framework for when the Kyoto Protocol expires in 2012 is scheduled to take place next year in Durban, South Africa.
‘Clear Signal’
“For the EU allowances market, the Cancun Agreements increase the likelihood of more ambitious long-term agreement in the future,” Bloomberg New Energy Finance said in a research note today. “However, the market risks getting ahead of itself if it believes the Cancun Agreements will lead to an international agreement involving binding emissions targets for the U.S., China and Japan --arguably prequisites for the EU to move beyond its current 20 percent target in 2020.”
UN offsets for delivery in December 2011 gained as much as 1.3 percent to 11.55 euros, the highest level since Dec. 2, and last traded at 11.43 euros. The contract lost 10.6 percent in the past six months because of uncertainty over the future of the CDM after the Kyoto Protocol’s expiry.
“Parties at COP16 sent a clear signal that the CDM will continue operation even if a gap will occur in 2013 between the end of the Kyoto Protocol’s first commitment period and entry into force of a subsequent treaty,” New Energy Finance said. “This is critical, as it looks very likely that a replacement treaty will not be in place by Jan. 1, 2013.”
The improved CDM rules “will expedite delivery of CERs from existing projects, and inclusion of CCS as an eligible technology type may also boost supply in the long term,” and that could pull down prices, New Energy Finance said.
EU allowances for December 2011 dropped 0.3 percent to 14.85 euros ($19.88) a ton on London’s ICE Futures Europe exchange. They earlier rose as much as 1.8 percent, the biggest intraday increase since Nov. 17, after envoys at the United Nations’ meeting in Cancun reached agreements on reducing deforestation and a fund to manage aid for poorer nations.
U.K. natural gas for delivery next month lost as much as 3.7 percent to 57.2 pence a therm, the lowest intraday level since Dec. 2, according to broker prices compiled by Bloomberg. Lower gas prices may prompt some power generators to switch to the fuel, which requires half as many carbon permits as coal.
German baseload power for next month dropped 3.5 percent to 53.10 euros a megawatt-hour, the sharpest intraday decline since Nov. 1, according to broker prices compiled by Bloomberg. Lower prices can reduce the incentive to sell electricity forward, curbing demand for CO2 permits.
Negotiators at the United Nations meeting in Cancun, Mexico, agreed after two weeks of talks to a climate-protection package including a fund that would manage a “significant share” of the $100 billion annually pledged last year in aid for poorer nations by 2020 and a plan to reduce deforestation. They failed to agree on emission-reduction targets during the summit ended on Dec. 11.
‘Long and Challenging’
The meeting also approved carbon capture and storage projects as eligible to generate UN offsets, known as Certified Emission Reductions. CERs are issued to investors for projects to cut greenhouse gases in developing countries under the Clean Development Mechanism, the world’s second-biggest carbon market after the European Union’s cap-and-trade program.
The EU said on Dec. 11 the agreement was an important step on a “long and challenging” road toward a binding treaty to tackle global warming. The 27-nation bloc is on track to meet its internal target of cutting greenhouse gases by 20 percent by 2020 compared with 1990 and said it may deepen the goal to 30 percent should other nations follow suit.
It stopped short of doing so during the 2009 summit in Copenhagen, citing inadequate efforts by the U.S. and China.
The next UN summit aimed at ironing out a global climate framework for when the Kyoto Protocol expires in 2012 is scheduled to take place next year in Durban, South Africa.
‘Clear Signal’
“For the EU allowances market, the Cancun Agreements increase the likelihood of more ambitious long-term agreement in the future,” Bloomberg New Energy Finance said in a research note today. “However, the market risks getting ahead of itself if it believes the Cancun Agreements will lead to an international agreement involving binding emissions targets for the U.S., China and Japan --arguably prequisites for the EU to move beyond its current 20 percent target in 2020.”
UN offsets for delivery in December 2011 gained as much as 1.3 percent to 11.55 euros, the highest level since Dec. 2, and last traded at 11.43 euros. The contract lost 10.6 percent in the past six months because of uncertainty over the future of the CDM after the Kyoto Protocol’s expiry.
“Parties at COP16 sent a clear signal that the CDM will continue operation even if a gap will occur in 2013 between the end of the Kyoto Protocol’s first commitment period and entry into force of a subsequent treaty,” New Energy Finance said. “This is critical, as it looks very likely that a replacement treaty will not be in place by Jan. 1, 2013.”
The improved CDM rules “will expedite delivery of CERs from existing projects, and inclusion of CCS as an eligible technology type may also boost supply in the long term,” and that could pull down prices, New Energy Finance said.