Titoli di Stato paesi-emergenti VENEZUELA e Petroleos de Venezuela - Cap. 2 (2 lettori)

vitoandolini

Forumer attivo
pdvsa si poteva chiamare in qualsiasi modo il 1 January 1976


il venezuela di punto in bianco ha nazionalizzato settore petrolifero ed è nata pdvsa... basta creare una società con un nome diverso e il gioco è fatto almeno per gli asset interni a venezuela.

io continuo a pensare che tra pdvsa e Venezuela sia meglio la seconda... se vogliono fare portcate su PDVSA le possono fare svuotandola, ma il venezuela, non è che cambia nome...

Il nome lo ha già cambiato, cmq si sono d'accordo con te. In più è da sottolineare che tu e Russia, a parte un paio di occasioni, avete pure qulo, quindi avete ragione per forza.
Ciao bos
 

GiveMeLeverage

& I will remove the world
eh tommy...noi siamo troppo cogitabondi...concordavo con Owblisky che ci sarebbe portuto stare un rimbalzo, ma in assenza di "conferme" è puro istinto...poi sai...ti piazzi basso pensando che continui...


tu lo sappiamo che sei bravo :)
ciao gimme, come va?

Grazie, lo sono soltanto quando non mi lascio prendere la mano (e succede troppo spesso).
Va bene ma ogni giorno che passa sembra contenere meno ore e ogni ora meno minuti! :)
 

tommy271

Forumer storico
eh tommy...noi siamo troppo cogitabondi...concordavo con Owblisky che ci sarebbe portuto stare un rimbalzo, ma in assenza di "conferme" è puro istinto...poi sai...ti piazzi basso pensando che continui...

Per quanto vedo io, poca professionalità (non dico da queste parti ...) ... si passa da stati depressivi a quelli di euforia nel giro di un quarto d'ora.
 

giub

New Membro
Per quanto vedo io, poca professionalità (non dico da queste parti ...) ... si passa da stati depressivi a quelli di euforia nel giro di un quarto d'ora.
concordo...ma lasciando perdere i soliti ultrà senza argomentazioni se non apodittiche, l'istinto (e il culo, come dice Vito) sono importantantissimi....
Poi occhio che lo squaletto ti dà un'altra fustigata...non sai cogliere le vagonate di dollaroni che il mercato regolarmente gli regala...;)
Vedo tantissimi che parlano di recovery minimi...floor...mah...se veramente il recovery atteso è 30-40, IMHO a 25 sono carissime...
 
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GiveMeLeverage

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Due documenti sempre degli stessi autori, Lee C. Buchheit y Mitu Gulati.

"Conclusion
Until the scope of the Second Circuit’s decisions in the NML case are fully clarified, the architects of sovereign debt restructurings under New York law will need to find some way of assuring those creditors who elect to participate in a restructuring that payments under the New Bonds they receive in the workout will not later become the object of an NML-style pari passu injunction. If such an assurance cannot be given, the prospects for a successful debt restructuring will be diminished."

"Conclusion
Napoleon’s invasion of Russia in 1812 was a large undertaking. Restructuring Venezuela’s public sector debt will be a very large undertaking.
Venezuela will not be able to view the prospect of holdout creditors with the same equanimity that Argentina showed in 2005 at the time of that country’s bond restructuring. The mischief that litigating holdout creditors can cause in Venezuela is considerably greater than Argentina ever faced. The trick will be in finding ways to discourage prospective holdouts from holding out and to defang the legal threat posed by those who persist in declining an offer to restructure.
Even if the holdout creditor threat can be defused, there are a number of other thorny issues to be addressed in a restructuring of Venezuela’s public debt. What can be done with the non-debt claims such as the ICSID arbitration awards or blocked Bolivar deposits? What treatment will be given to bonds placed in the market at a very heavy original issue discount or warehoused with a state-owned entity and then purportedly resold in a secondary market transaction at a large discount? What weight, if any, should be given to the assertion that some transactions were undertaken in the absence of local legislative approval? Let us hope that the analogy to Napoleon’s Russian adventure in 1812 will stop at the size of the undertaking and will not extend to its outcome."


The markets have long debated whether the Venezuelan authorities


would or could attempt to restructure Republic bonds while leaving PDVSA


securities untouched.
(No cross-default clauses link the bonds of each obligor with

the other.) The argument supporting this view has focused on two factors.11 First,


Venezuelan oil is sold by PDVSA and its subsidiaries. The legal enforcement risks

associated with a bond default would therefore fall more immediately, and more

heavily, on PDVSA. Second, most series of Republic bonds contain collective action

clauses that permit a super-majority of holders (75% or 85%) to agree to a

restructuring with that decision binding all holders of the series. The absence of

collective action clauses in PDVSA bonds have led some investors to conclude that a

restructuring of PDVSA bonds would inevitably be a messier affair, potentially

threatening the lifeblood of an economy that derives 95% of its trade revenue from

the sale of oil. This, the argument goes, is something the Venezuelan authorities

would consider only as a last resort.

Our view is to the contrary. For the reasons discussed below, we

believe that restructuring PDVSA bonds may actually be easier, and less prone to

holdout behavior, than a similar exercise for Republic bonds.
 

GiveMeLeverage

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Change the obligor


The most effective step that PDVSA could take to address the risk of

holdout creditor behavior in a debt restructuring would be to seek the consent of

holders of the company’s international bonds to change the obligor on those bonds to

a new company -- let’s call it “Newco”. A change to the obligor on the bonds is not

one of the specifically enumerated Unanimous Consent Amendments; it should

therefore be a modification that can be effected with the consent of a simple majority

of the holders of each series of bonds.
 

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