Obbligazioni societarie Voestalpine, ThyssenKrupp, ArcelorMittal e l'industra dell'acciaio

riguardo al bond convertibile Arcelor Mittal ..ocio... le convertibili in francia (e a questo punto anche su bourse.lu ) son quotate in EUR e non in percentuale ..:eek:
dal prospetto in prima pagina si legge che fu emessa a 20,25 eur
<<Issue price 100%, i.e., Euro 20.25 per Bond>>
al 16 di giugno ha chiuso a 28.77..... avercele di convertibili così in italia...
:(

grazie per la risposta ma per non voler leggere tutto il prospetto ho preso le 8,25 :)
:ciao:
 
riguardo al bond convertibile Arcelor Mittal ..ocio... le convertibili in francia (e a questo punto anche su bourse.lu ) son quotate in EUR e non in percentuale ..:eek:
dal prospetto in prima pagina si legge che fu emessa a 20,25 eur
<<Issue price 100%, i.e., Euro 20.25 per Bond>>
al 16 di giugno ha chiuso a 28.77..... avercele di convertibili così in italia...
:(

Io la convertibile, come dissi a suo tempo, l'avrei anche presa, ma non c'è stato verso, prima di dodici mesi non se ne parla. :wall:

Invece questa 9,375% 2016 si può già acquistare, peccato che costi già più di 104...

Da tenere d'occhio ;) anche se temo che possa salire ancora
 
Io la convertibile, come dissi a suo tempo, l'avrei anche presa, ma non c'è stato verso, prima di dodici mesi non se ne parla. :wall:

Invece questa 9,375% 2016 si può già acquistare, peccato che costi già più di 104...

Da tenere d'occhio ;) anche se temo che possa salire ancora
attenzione che oscilla molto, perlomeno se sono attendibili le quotazioni sulla borsa di stoccarda

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Io la convertibile, come dissi a suo tempo, l'avrei anche presa, ma non c'è stato verso, prima di dodici mesi non se ne parla. :wall:

Invece questa 9,375% 2016 si può già acquistare, peccato che costi già più di 104...

Da tenere d'occhio ;) anche se temo che possa salire ancora

Scusa, negus, c'è un qualche motivo per cui la 2016 si può acquistare pur non essendo trascorso un anno dall'emissione?
 
Scusa, negus, c'è un qualche motivo per cui la 2016 si può acquistare pur non essendo trascorso un anno dall'emissione?

Avendo un taglio minimo di 50.000 € l'emissione è esente dall'obbligo di prospetto.

http://www.investireoggi.it/forum/showthread.php?p=743265&highlight=selling#post743265

La cosa veramente insensata è che paradossalmente è molto più facile comprare 50.000 € di azioni piuttosto che di obbligazioni convertibili o ordinarie dello stesso emittente... :wall: :rolleyes: :-o
 
Voestalpine continua a fare relativamente meglio dei competitors: mentre questi infatti hanno chiuso il trimestre gen-mar 2009 con perdite operative importanti, V è ancora riuscita a generare un EBIT in nero, seppure in drammatico calo (quasi 90%) rispetto a quello dell'anno precedente.

Pronostica un azzeramento dell'utile netto nel 2009-2010 e la necessità di attendere "alcuni anni" prima che la produzione di acciaio torni ali livelli del 2007.

UPDATE 2-Voestalpine says profit to vanish in 2009/10

Thu Jun 4, 2009 6:19am EDT

* Expects H1 operating loss, FY operating profit in 2009/10
* Q4 EBIT down 88 pct at 34 mln euros, forecast 53 mln euros
* Dividend halved to 1.05 eur, but more than expected
* Return to 2007 production levels to take several years

(Recasts with net forecast, adds quotes, analyst comment)
By Alexandra Schwarz and Boris Groendahl

VIENNA, June 4 (Reuters) - Austrian steelmaker Voestalpine (VOES.VI) said on Thursday it expects net profit to vanish in the 2009/10 business year after remaining profitable in its fourth quarter to March, defying the steel sector trend.

The group said it expected to run up a "manageable" operating loss in the first half of the business year to March 2010 as it waits for customers to run down inventories over the summer and for lower raw materials and energy costs to kick in.

A pick-up in the second half, as well as cuts in costs and investments, will help to achieve a full-year operating profit, Voestalpine said in a statement. Its finance chief told journalists he expected full-year net profit "around zero".

"It is difficult to say what the operating result is going to be," CFO Robert Ottel told journalists at a news conference. "As the financial result will be negative, (net profit) will be somewhere around zero." [ID:nWEA5488]
Chief Executive Wolfgang Eder added that he still expected the net profit to be positive.

A Reuters poll of analysts done before the results showed a wide variety of net profit estimates for 2009/10, averaging 181 million euros but ranging from a 58 million euro loss to a 570 million euro profit. [ID:nLS312159]

Voestalpine said earnings before interest and tax (EBIT) slumped 88 percent to 34 million euros ($49 million) in the fiscal fourth quarter to end-March, missing the average forecast of an 81 percent drop given in the Reuters poll.

The result sets it apart from peers like ArcelorMittal (ISPA.AS), ThyssenKrupp (TKAG.DE) and Salzgitter (SZGG.DE) which all reported losses in the same three months of 2009 as the global crisis hit carmakers' and engineering companies' demand.

While also heavily exposed to stricken car and car parts makers, Voestalpine benefits from its less cyclical railway business, the only division which kept earnings near unchanged in the fourth fiscal quarter and raised them in the full year.

It has shed only 1,100 permanent and 1,700 temp staff out of its 41,000 payroll, and introduced short working hours for 11,000 staff. CEO Eder said he did not plan significant additional measures. ArcelorMittal said on Wednesday it may temporarily lay off 12,000 in Spain.

"YEAR OF EXTREMES"

Shares in the group see-sawed, testing positive territory in early trade when Merrill Lynch upgraded peer ThyssenKrupp, but later falling 5 percent to 20.24 euros by 1012 GMT, underperforming the DJ Stoxx Basic Resources index .SXPP.

Some analysts took comfort from the dividend proposal which despite being halved to 1.05 euros per share was ahead of the forecast of 0.78 euros in the poll. This translates into a dividend yield of 4.9 percent, one of the highest among peers.

"When you look at the company's outlook, there is really nothing to be excited about, but coming up with a reasonable dividend might be seen as some sort of qualified outlook," said one analyst who asked not to be identified.

The analyst added that he thought the dividend was too high, given Voestalpine's gearing, which stood at 88 percent by the end of March. "If you're already so indebted, i don't see why you should pay out so much," he said.

Voestalpine said it would take many years to get back to the boom-time production levels of 2007.

"The business year behind us was a year of extremes," Chief Executive Wolfgang Eder said in a statement. "Records of every kind -- record volumes, record revenue, record results, record employment in the first half of the year.

"Then, practically overnight, an economic slump whose pace was faster than anything we had seen before."

The Linz-based company said steel output fell 10 percent in the 2008/09 business year, the first decline in nine years.

"A return to the production levels of 2007 is likely only over a period of several years," Voestalpine said. ($1=.6999 euros) (Editing by Greg Mahlich and David Cowell)
 
ThyssenKrupp incontra difficoltà nella vendita di assets non strategici decisi un anno fa per fare fronte al debito che negli ultimi sei mesi è più che raddoppiato, salendo a 3,7 mld €.

O i potenziali acquirenti si tirano indietro, o non riescono a farsi finanziare l'acquisizione dalle banche...



ThyssenKrupp Said to Scrap Sale of Unit, Two Others in Jeopardy

By Aaron Kirchfeld and Nicholas Comfort


July 4 (Bloomberg) -- ThyssenKrupp AG, Germany’s largest steelmaker, scrapped the sale of an industrial services unit as part of a 1 billion-euro ($1.4 billion) disposal of assets after buyers pulled out, people familiar with the situation said.
The Dusseldorf-based producer abandoned the offering of ThyssenKrupp Industrieservice after potential buyers, including Hochtief AG and Bilfinger Berger AG, Germany’s biggest builders, and private-equity firms decided against bidding, three people said, declining to be identified because the talks were private.
The sale of two other units, the Xervon chemical and power plant operator and scaffolding company Safway, may also fail as Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc and JPMorgan Chase & Co., who were managing the disposals, are no longer offering financing for potential buyers, the people said.
Three companies including private-equity firms Triton Beteiligungsberatung GmbH in Frankfurt and Bridgepoint Capital Ltd., the owner of German eyeglass company Rodenstock AG, submitted bids for Xervon, two people said. Safway received interested from U.S. bidders, another said.
ThyssenKrupp Chief Financial Officer Alan Hippe is seeking to cut costs after the company’s debt surged and shares slumped. Net debt at the company, which unveiled the planned sale in 2008 to fund growth, more than doubled to 3.7 billion euros in the six months ended March on steel-mill investments in Brazil and Alabama. The shares have fallen 10 percent this year, the worst performance on the nine-member Bloomberg Europe Steel Index.

Credit Bottleneck

The company “announced the sale a year ago and they haven’t completed the deal yet,” said Peter Metzger, an analyst at Sal. Oppenheim in Frankfurt who has a “reduce” recommendation on the steelmaker. “One bottleneck is the lack of credit availability for acquisitions.”
The units had sales of about 1.7 billion euros in the year ended September, Chief Executive Officer Ekkehard Schulz said in August, and had about 23,000 workers. ThyssenKrupp spokesman Klaus Pepperhoff wouldn’t comment on the sales yesterday. Hochtief, Bilfinger, Bridgepoint, JPMorgan and RBS officials also declined to comment. Triton officials didn’t immediately return calls.
ThyssenKrupp yesterday fell 31 cents, or 1.8 percent, to 16.99 euros in Frankfurt trading, giving the company a market value of 8.7 billion euros.
To contact the reporters on this story: Aaron Kirchfeld in Frankfurt at [email protected]; Nicholas Comfort in Frankfurt at [email protected];
Last Updated: July 3, 2009 19:01 EDT
 
qualcuno ha notizie fresche della russa severstal e suggerimenti timing di ingresso settore acciaio
 
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