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personalemnte sono esposto su Bank of Ireland entrato a scaglioni agli attuali valori ,l'europa nei confronti del sistema finanziario irlandese è esposta per un totale di 600mld qusto mi da una garanzia tale da poter dormire tranquillo,tra 6 mesi un anno tutto si sarà stabilizzato.

Sulle banche ireland ci andrei molto cauto, comunque si tratta di un pensiero personale. Poi dipende molto dalla propensione al rischio...
Si può puntare sulle senior, sulle sub calcolare la possibilità di haircut e trarne i dovuti rendimenti e quotazioni.
Mi auguro che tra sei mesi sia tutto rientrato.
 
Irlanda,accordo su piano permanente settimana prossima-Schaeuble

venerdì 26 novembre 2010 13:09




BERLINO, 26 novembre (Reuters) - Il ministro delle Finanze tedesco, Wolfgang Schaeuble, ha detto di ritenere che un accordo sul meccanismo permanente di salvataggio dell'Irlanda verrà concluso all'inizio della prossima settimana.
"Riteniamo che all'inizio della settimana le decisioni saranno prese da Bce, Commissione Ue e Fmi", ha affermato Schaeuble, parlando al Bundestag.
Il ministro ha aggiunto che i creditori privati dovranno essere inclusi nel nuovo meccanismo, sottolineando che la soluzione dovrebbe far crescere la fiducia dei mercati.

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Qui già la data è più spostata in avanti ... ed inoltre si chiede già l'inclusione nel nuovo meccanismo di salvataggio dei privati.
Semprechè l'agenzia non abbia equivocato sulle traduzioni ...
Il ministro ha aggiunto che i creditori privati dovranno essere inclusi nel nuovo meccanismo, sottolineando che la soluzione dovrebbe far crescere la fiducia dei mercati.


Scusa Tommy ma non mi è chiaro se questo vuol dire che voglionodare maggiori garanzie ai creditori privati o gli stanno dicendo di dover accettare delle perdite affinche il piano di aiuti venga approvato ?
 
Sulle banche ireland ci andrei molto cauto, comunque si tratta di un pensiero personale. Poi dipende molto dalla propensione al rischio...
Si può puntare sulle senior, sulle sub calcolare la possibilità di haircut e trarne i dovuti rendimenti e quotazioni.
Mi auguro che tra sei mesi sia tutto rientrato.

Sut 3d delle Perpetue ho postato varie News sui Sub Irlandesi,Purtroppo x nulla Buoni
 
Il ministro ha aggiunto che i creditori privati dovranno essere inclusi nel nuovo meccanismo, sottolineando che la soluzione dovrebbe far crescere la fiducia dei mercati.


Scusa Tommy ma non mi è chiaro se questo vuol dire che voglionodare maggiori garanzie ai creditori privati o gli stanno dicendo di dover accettare delle perdite affinche il piano di aiuti venga approvato ?

Non è chiaro neppure a me, ma penso che un miglioramento dei TdS passi attraverso un ripensamento del sistema bancario irish.
In quest'ultimo caso penso ad un coinvolgimento dei bondisti nel processo di risanamento.
Sui subordinati è pacifico ...
 
personalemnte sono esposto su Bank of Ireland entrato a scaglioni agli attuali valori ,l'europa nei confronti del sistema finanziario irlandese è esposta per un totale di 600mld qusto mi da una garanzia tale da poter dormire tranquillo,tra 6 mesi un anno tutto si sarà stabilizzato.
io sono sulla lt2 10% di Boi con un prezzo di 75

ma non me la sento di mediare e alzare la percentuale di capitale coinvolto.

Ammiro la tua fiducia ma gia c'è chi scrive che i subordinati non garantiti dallo stato verranno haircuttati anche se ancora non c'è l'ok delle banche, che chiaramente verranno " obbligate " ad accettare, quindi non riesco a capire la tranquillita' che dimostri a parte l'esposizione delle varie banche d'europa che metteranno in perdita l'haircut non so quale altre buone ragioni ci sono per stare tranquilli.
Tu su cosa sei lt2 t1 e che banche ?
 
Irlanda: S&P taglia rating Anglo Irish

Declassato a 'junk' (spazzatura)

26 novembre, 15:22


(ANSA) - ROMA, 26 NOV - Standard & Poor's ha tagliato il rating delle banca irlandese Anglo Irish a 'junk' (spazzatura).

Declassate le altre due maggiori banche irlandesi: Bank of Ireland e Allied Irish. La decisione dell'agenzia segue di due giorni il taglio del rating sovrano dell'Irlanda. Anglo Irish ha subito un taglio del rating di sei gradini (notch) passando da 'BBB' a 'B'. Il rating di Bank of Ireland e' stato abbassato a 'BBB+' da 'A-' e il giudizio su Allied Irish e' stato tagliato a 'BBB' da 'BBB+.
 
Irish PM's majority cut to 2 with election loss


DUBLIN (AP) — An Irish nationalist who has vowed to vote against Ireland's austerity plans has won a seat in parliament, election returns showed Friday, cutting Prime Minister Brian Cowen's majority to just two seats.

Deputy Prime Minister Mary Coughlan conceded victory to Sinn Fein candidate Pearse Doherty, who successfully sued the government over its 17-month refusal to permit an election to fill the empty seat in Donegal, northwest Ireland. Cowen had long feared that an opposition candidate would win the seat.

Doherty said his dominant performance in a six-candidate field showed that people want to elect a new government that will force foreign banks, not Irish taxpayers, to bear the cost of Ireland's enormous financial crisis.

"(Voters) are telling Brian Cowen to get out of office. It's not clear that this budget will pass. It is completely unfair and unjust to attack the weakest and most vulnerable in this society," Doherty said. "The government should suspend the budget, call a general election, and let the people have their say."

Cowen is unveiling an emergency 2011 budget on Dec. 7. He and European officials say that budget must be passed to clear the way for an euro85 billion ($113 billion) loan for Ireland from the European Union and the International Monetary Fund.

Doherty's win leaves Cowen with 82 votes in the Dail Eireann, the parliament, to the opposition's 80.
Full but unofficial results tabulated by party activists found Doherty received 39.7 percent of votes, while the candidate from Cowen's Fianna Fail party finished a distant second with 21.2 percent. Official results were being announced later Friday.

Cowen has already offered to hold an early national election in February or March — but only after all budget measures have been approved in parliament.

The 2011 budget seeks to slash euro4.5 billion ($6 billion) from spending and add euro1.5 billion ($2 billion) in new taxes as part of a four-year plan to reduce Ireland's annual deficits to 3 percent of gross domestic product in 2014.

Ireland's 2010 deficit is running at 32 percent of GDP, the highest in Europe since World War II. The country's severe financial problems are rooted in its enormous bailout of Irish banks who gorged themselves on overpriced real estate.

Cowen published a four-year plan this week that proposes cuts to welfare payments, pensions and the minimum wage and raises virtually all forms of tax — except the 12.5 percent rate that Ireland applies to business profits.

That rate is credited with wooing nearly 1,000 high-tech multinationals seeking an EU base to Ireland. Many European nations preparing to contribute to Ireland's bailout say the Irish should raise that rate to nearer the EU average above 25 percent.

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Come da previsione il Fianna Fail ha perso...
 
Ireland crisis: Sinn Fein set for stunning election victory

Friday, 26 November 2010


Sinn Fein look set to clinch a stunning victory in a by-election in Donegal - putting more pressure on the Republic of Ireland's beleaguered premier Brian Cowen.
Fianna Fail conceded defeat after Sinn Fein candidate Pearse Doherty clinched almost 40% of first tally votes for the seat vacated by MEP Pat The Cope Gallagher.
Mr Doherty said the message for Taoiseach Brian Cowen from the people of Donegal South West was 'get out of office'
Tallymen estimated that turnout was 56.1%,.
A Sinn Fein victory would leave the Fianna Fail administration with a two seat majority - further undermining the authority of Cowen.
Fine Gael's Barry O'Neil said his party would take plenty of encouragement from his expected second place finish. He also confirmed that he would put himself forward as a candidate in next year's General Election.
Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams arrived at the count centre and signalled his satisfaction with the poll.
"The people of this state have a very, very bad government," he said.
"It appears the people have responded and they have made a stand alongside Sinn Fein."
Donegal South-West is a largely rural and coastal constituency with a significant number of native Irish speakers.
The poll was held after a successful High Court challenge by Sinn Fein to the government's delay in holding a by-election.
The parties' final unofficial tallies showed Sinn Fein at 39.7% of support, Fianna Fail at 21.2%, Labour at 10.2%, Fine Gael at 18.4% and the independent candidate at 10.1%.



Read more: Ireland crisis: Sinn Fein set for stunning election victory - Republic of Ireland, Local & National - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
 
Ciao Topgun, se puoi postare qualcosa anche qui, visto l'interesse ...
Bank of Ireland Plc and Allied Irish Banks Plc, the country’s two biggest lenders, plan to ask subordinated bondholders to share more of the cost of their bailout as officials race to conclude an international rescue, three people familiar with the situation said.

Talks with the central bank have focused on how the two may buy back or exchange subordinated debt at close to market prices rather than the punitive 80 percent discount to par offered by Anglo Irish Bank Corp., said the people, who declined to be identified because the discussions are private.

In the talks with the central bank, there have been no discussions about senior bondholders sharing the burden, the people said. European Union and International Monetary Fund officials are taking legal advice on how senior bondholders can share the cost of Ireland’s 85 billion-euro ($113 billion) bailout without triggering lawsuits, the Irish Times reported today, without saying where it got the information.

If the authorities tried to force losses on owners of senior debt “before shareholders and subordinated bondholders had been fully written down, it would be a hard sell,” said Simon Adamson, an analyst with CreditSights Inc. in London, in a note to clients today. It “would presumably contradict previous indications by the European Commission that it would want to preserve the ranking of creditors in a bail-in.”

Bond Prices

Allied Irish has about 4.8 billion euros of senior and junior subordinated debt as well as preferred stock. The lender’s 1.1 billion pounds ($1.7 billion) of 11.5 percent senior subordinated notes due 2022 fell 3.15 pence on the pound to 27.8 pence, according to composite prices on Bloomberg today. The notes traded as high as 103.5 pence as recently as Aug. 3.

Bank of Ireland has about 4 billion euros of senior and junior subordinated debt, as well as preferred shares, Bloomberg data show. The lender’s 1 billion euros of 10 percent senior subordinated notes due 2020 fell 6.9 cents to 44.8 cents today, according to composite prices on Bloomberg. The notes closed at 100.25 on Sept. 21, Bloomberg data show.

By buying back and exchanging debt at a lower price than its face value, the lenders can book a gain. Allied Irish and Bank of Ireland have generated a combined 3.37 billion euros of gains over the past 21 months from such transactions.

Anglo Irish, which the government nationalized in January 2009, may raise about 1.7 billion euros from buying back subordinated debt, Dublin-based Glas Securities wrote in a note to clients on Oct. 22. That would cut the cost to the state of rescuing the bank, which Finance Minister Brian Lenihan has said may total as much as 34.3 billion euros.

Central Bank Involvement

The central bank has been the intermediary with Ireland’s banks as officials continue talks with the EU and IMF on aid.

Both Allied Irish and Bank of Ireland will strongly resist any attempt to force losses on bondholders, as it would make lenders rely more on the European Central Bank for emergency funding because they remain frozen out of wholesale debt markets, the people said. Still, the decision on restructuring linked to the bailout is out of the banks’ hands, they said.

Officials at the finance ministry, central bank, Bank of Ireland and Allied Irish all declined to comment
 

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