Obbligazioni societarie GM, Ford, Chrysler: il 3D dell'automotive USA

12.05.09 13:07 - Gm: sei manager vendono loro azioni
NEW YORK (MF-DJ)--Sei manager di General Motors hanno annunciato di aver venduto le loro azioni del gruppo.


E' quanto si legge in un report della Sec,
da cui si evince che tra i manager coinvolti nella vendita c'e' il vice chairman Bob Lutz, che ha venduto 81.360 azioni per 130.990 dollari.


12.05.09 16:14 - MARKET TALK: crolla Gm (-20%), tocca minimo storico
NEW YORK (MF-DJ)--

A Wall Street Gm crolla del 20% a 1,15 dollari,
dopo aver toccato il minimo di tutti i tempi a 1,09 dollari.

A pesare sul gruppo e' la notizia che alcuni manager del gruppo hanno venduto le loro azioni.

Gm, inoltre, sembra destinata a una sempre piu' probabile bancarotta o a un difficile piano di ristrutturazione.

Male anche Ford che perde il 10% a 5,45 dollari in scia alla notizia che offrira' 300 milioni di azioni per rafforzare la propria liquidita'.
 
son le stesse che devo fare io di là, visto che gaudente ci viene solo per rigirare il coltello nella piaga. :-o

Eh, è la dura legge del contrappasso: in quanti l'hanno deriso (e non solo lui) per aver rammentato a tutti che era un investimento dal quale darsi a gambe levate ? :cool: :-o

Adesso lascetelo divertire, che se lo merita... :D :D
 
mah ... sai mark, fuor di polemica, io ho letto di gente dentro da tempo e con pmc molto alti che hanno avuto la sola colpa di aver creduto in una società come gm. come la penso si sa: quando gm è diventata una scommessa, chi entrava lo doveva fare cosciente del rischio e non lamentarsi nel caso le cose fossero andate male. ma da qui a far passare tutti i bh come degli inetti ce ne corre. ecco, io quello che ho letto in alcuni interventi è stato proprio questo: il giudizio netto e negativo verso tutti i bh, indistintamente e secondo me quelli che rientravano nel primo tipo di investitori, i bh della prima ora, quindi non gli speculatori, a sentirsi dare del cretìno posso capirlo che non gli andasse giù. tutto qua.
poi, ci mancherebbe, da un punto di vista dell'investitore intelligente le critiche e le obiezioni mosse da quelli di qui verso quelli di là non fanno una piega.

un saluto, con sincera stima per tutti voi in considerazione del vostro know-how e del lavoro di preziosa informazione che fate.
 
mah ... sai mark, fuor di polemica, io ho letto di gente dentro da tempo e con pmc molto alti che hanno avuto la sola colpa di aver creduto in una società come gm. come la penso si sa: quando gm è diventata una scommessa, chi entrava lo doveva fare cosciente del rischio e non lamentarsi nel caso le cose fossero andate male. ma da qui a far passare tutti i bh come degli inetti ce ne corre. ecco, io quello che ho letto in alcuni interventi è stato proprio questo: il giudizio netto e negativo verso tutti i bh, indistintamente e secondo me quelli che rientravano nel primo tipo di investitori, i bh della prima ora, quindi non gli speculatori, a sentirsi dare del cretìno posso capirlo che non gli andasse giù. tutto qua.
poi, ci mancherebbe, da un punto di vista dell'investitore intelligente le critiche e le obiezioni mosse da quelli di qui verso quelli di là non fanno una piega.

un saluto, con sincera stima per tutti voi in considerazione del vostro know-how e del lavoro di preziosa informazione che fate.

Ciao Popoff, ti ringrazio per i complimenti e ricambio l'apprezzamento per la persona e per il lavoro di documentazione che si cerca di fare di qua e di là... nel merito di quanto dici, su una cosa ti devo contraddire: quando tu parli di "persone che hanno creduto in una società come GM". Io seguo gli emittenti HY dalla fine degli anni '90 del secolo scorso, ed una delle prime cose che ho appreso è a non credere in alcuna società.

Se ci pensi, a cosa servono i forum se non a dare modo a qualcuno di esprimere opinioni fuori dal coro e ad altri di capire come stanno realmente le cose ? Gaudente, spulciandosi i bilanci di GM, ha detto a tutti che il re era nudo.

Lo ha detto ruvidamente, nel senso che quando qualcuno lo ha contraddetto, replicandogli che il re era coperto di sete e broccati, ha replicato con durezza. :D

E quando ha visto di essere lui oggetto di motteggi per aver indicato a quegli altri come stavano le cose, ha alternato gli sfottò con una drastica quanto utile correzione di errori marchiani (qui abbiamo pretesi bocconiani con laurea in economia e commercio che non hanno presente cosa sia la soggettività giuridica di una società di capitali - sono le basi di diritto privato - e sinceramente non si sa se ridere o piangere... lo sfottò é davvero il meno ... :D).

Si è arrivati al paradosso di bannare per trollaggio chi cercava di far passare il messaggio che la faccenda GM "andava a finire male" nella sola maniera praticabile, quella dello sberleffo, dopo che i tentativi di fare discorsi seri sull'argomento erano già falliti... ;)
 
visto che ormai è ch 11, alcuni "effetti collaterali": FIAT ringrazia, si prenderà solo il buono...

While much of Chrysler LLC's bankruptcy restructuring remains to be hammered out, the auto maker wasted no time seeking to cut ties to a handful of small U.S. property owners.
On the same day last month that the 84-year-old company filed for Chapter 11 protection, Chrysler asked the court to allow it to reject 10 unexpired leases with a total of more than $30 million in rent remaining to be paid on them. The properties are mostly shuttered dealerships and some vacant land in California, Hawaii, Indiana, Louisiana, New York, Texas and Michigan.
The move couldn't have come at a worse time for the property owners. Weak demand for new cars has led to the closure of many dealerships across the U.S. For landlords, this has meant falling rents or, even worse, being left with vacant lots for which there aren't many other uses.
Chrysler, which is working to restructure itself by shrinking its dealer network and merging with Italian auto maker Fiat SpA, in general is believed to have leased few dealership properties on the corporate level. The leases it rejected were less desirable because most of them were vacant. They also were probably among the few such dealership leases on its books because dealers more typically own their own real estate, says James Mitchell, director of the national automotive group for Marcus & Millichap Real Estate Investment Services in Bethesda, Md.
In court documents, Chrysler said a review of its unexpired leases led the company to request the lease cancellations. "The debtors have determined the leases identified ... will not be assumed and assigned in the Fiat Transaction and are neither necessary nor valuable to their estates." A spokesman for Chrysler declined to comment further.
The news angered some landlords who said they will struggle to handle their financial obligations without Chrysler. Ronnie Lamarque, a 63-year-old New Orleans native who favors brightly colored ties in commercials for a New Orleans-area dealership that he still operates, says Chrysler had been negotiating to buy itself out of a lease that was to run through 2013 on a former dealership property in Metairie, La., just outside New Orleans.
Mr. Lamarque says he needs the $56,000 monthly rent to cover the property's $60,000 monthly mortgage and worries the cloud of bankruptcy will make it harder to find a new tenant willing to pay a reasonable rent. "Now people are just really going to be thinking this is a fire sale," says Mr. Lamarque, who notes that his bank called him Monday to notify him that Chrysler's $56,000 May rent check for property Mr. Lamarque owns in Metairie had bounced.
Moreover, the challenges some of the landlords may have replacing Chrysler's relatively rich rental stream soon will likely get even harder. Both General Motors Corp. and Chrysler are expected to announce details on their plans to prune their dealership networks this week.
More closed dealerships also could spell trouble for major retail strips in many communities. Bernard Haddigan, managing director of national retail for Marcus & Millichap Real Estate Investment Services in Atlanta, says a string of retail bankruptcies outside the automotive industry has already sent store vacancies skyward.
In addition, Mr. Haddigan says car dealerships, though often well located, aren't easy to redevelop to another use like larger so-called big-box stores. New users would typically be looking to demolish and reuse dealership properties, an approach made difficult by the dry credit markets. "Most of these sites are going to languish," he says.
Marchus & Millichap estimates that there are roughly 20,000 car dealerships nationally and that thousands are likely to be vacated in the next 12 months. Values also have fallen sharply. An average vacant dealership, which might be located on four acres with a 15,000-square-foot showroom, would fetch about $5 million, well below the $10 million an operating dealership might have sold for several years ago, Mr. Mitchell says.
Part of the struggle for some landlords was that Chrysler was paying more for empty space than other companies were willing to pay to occupy or buy it. Take the case of Frederick Nagher, who owns a former dealership site in the Dallas suburb of Mesquite, Texas, where Chrysler wants to cancel a lease. Chrysler is paying $35,000 a month in rent as well as the taxes on the property, Mr. Nagher says. The former dealership has been empty since 2003, in part because Mr. Nagher says he couldn't afford to sell to interested buyers that included a tractor dealership. "The lease was worth more than the building," Mr. Nagher says. "It was unlucky for me."


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A bankruptcy judge on Tuesday approved agreements allowing GMAC LLC to become the primary lender to Chrysler LLC's dealerships, which lost their main financing source after Chrysler's bankruptcy filing.
The approval allows Chrysler to replace its own finance arm, Chrysler Financial Services Americas LLC, as the main lender. The day after the auto maker's bankruptcy filing April 30, Chrysler Financial said it would cease making loans to dealers.
The GMAC agreement is crucial for Chrysler dealers, which will rely on the financing to stock their showrooms with Chrysler's cars and trucks.
At a court hearing in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Manhattan, Michael Keegan, a Chrysler vice president for sales operations, testified that without replacement financing, the dealers would "cease to exist."
Judge Arthur Gonzalez, who is overseeing Chrysler's bankruptcy case, signed off on the GMAC financing arrangement and a separate deal with Chrysler Financial that allows the GMAC plan to move forward.
Chrysler Financial, a separate company that hasn't sought bankruptcy court protection, funded about 60% to 70% of Chrysler's 3,200 dealers and provided loans to about half of all consumers who bought Chrysler vehicles, according to court testimony and documents. GMAC provides a similar function for General Motors Corp., which owns 49% of the company.
Under the agreement with Chrysler, GMAC will provide loans to dealers for a four-year term.
Although most dealers financed by Chrysler Financial will initially be covered under the GMAC deal, GMAC will conduct credit assessments of dealers during the next 180 days to determine which are eligible for longger-term credit lines.
Under its agreement with Chrysler, Chrysler Financial received liens on most of the dealers' assets, including vehicle inventories, parts, equipment and cash.
The nominal value of that collateral is about $1.5 billion. Chrysler owes Chrysler Financial more than the value of the collateral, according to court documents.
To move ahead, the GMAC transaction required the consent of Chrysler Financial, which had the right to seize the assets pledged as collateral, court papers said.
Chrysler Financial provided that consent in exchange for undisclosed payments from the auto maker and a top-priority claim in Chrysler's bankruptcy case. The agreement was filed under seal.
Chrysler's bankruptcy filing envisions a quick sale of most of its assets for $2 billion to a new company owned by Fiat SpA, the United Auto Workers union, and the U.S. and Canadian governments.
The company will ask Judge Gonzalez to approve the sale at a hearing May 27.

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Officials at GM Sell Their Shares

Vice Chairman Lutz Leads the Purge as the Stock Hits a 76-Year Nadir

Seven General Motors officials dumped all of the stock they directly own in the auto maker as it faces scenarios that would either dilute or wipe out common shareholders.
On Monday, the same day Chief Executive Fritz Henderson said the company still could avoid seeking bankruptcy protection, six insiders, but not Mr. Henderson, disclosed selling an aggregate 204,711 shares at prices from $1.45 to $1.61 a share, or $323,657 in total.

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Bob Lutz

In 4 p.m. New York Stock Exchange composite trading Tuesday, GM's shares fell 20%, or 29 cents, to $1.15, its lowest close in 76 years, on April 27, 1933.
Vice Chairman Robert A. Lutz, who moved into an advisory role last month and will retire by the end of the year, had the largest transaction, selling 81,360 shares for $130,990.
The recent sales followed a disclosure last month that an independent fiduciary, citing the possibility of a GM bankruptcy, sold all of the GM shares in two employee-benefit plans. Also last month, Maureen Kempston Darkes, the president of GM Latin America, Africa and Middle East, disposed of 18,471 shares for $33,433.
"These particular executives made the decision to sell their shares in advance of what we know is going to be happening over the next few weeks," GM spokeswoman Julie Gibson said.

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GM is facing a June 1 restructuring deadline from the government and could file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection if it is unable to complete a debt-for-equity exchange for $27 billion in unsecured bonds.
Stephen J. Lubben, a bankruptcy-law professor at Seton Hall University School of Law in Newark, N.J., said bankruptcy is the likeliest outcome for GM and would render the shares practically worthless. Even if the exchange offer were to succeed, investors would be left with shares that won't be worth much, he said.
"Unless you're a very large shareholder, there's only a very small difference between the two," Mr. Lubben said.
In the exchange offer, note holders would get 225 common shares for each $1,000 of principal amount of notes. Mr. Henderson has said GM has no plans to change the terms of the offer despite little public support from bondholders.
If GM is able to restructure, existing shareholders would own about 1% of the company, which is potentially 1% more than they would own if GM takes the Chapter 11 route.
With all the hurdles GM is facing, Mr. Lubben compared GM's shares to lottery tickets.
"The hope is that the rare event will happen and GM will not file for bankruptcy and they will not heavily dilute their shareholders and all will be good in the world," Mr. Lubben said. "My personal view is that those are pretty long odds; $1.50 a share might be about $1.45 a share too much."
Write to Yogita Patel at [email protected]

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Il thread "lercia azienda canaglia" si avvicina sempre più :-o
Per ora siamo alle minacce di class action :D
http://www.finanzaonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1035037

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Ho fatto un salto "di la'" per dare un'occhiata come suggerito da Yunus..., era da un po' che non ci andavo: l'impressione è quella di uscire da un'aula universitaria (anche se questo thread sta degenerando penosamente...;)) ed entrare in una scuola materna all'ora del gioco libero::wall::wall::wall::wall:
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