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tommy271

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Se sarà cosi nel 2013 crollerà anche l'Europa e se crollerà l'Europa si porterà con lei anche l'America e tutto il resto del Mondo....ma sarà mai possibile che un piccolo paese come la Grecia puo' riuscire a far crollare l'intera economia Mondiale..??? Ma.....:-?

Lasciamo da parte i discorsi catastrofistici: l'Europa non crollerà da nessuna parte e rimarrà lì dove si trova.
La crisi è seria, ma non esageriamo: è vero che una fiammella può incendiare l'intera prateria ma la situazione è però sotto controllo, la BCE continua ad iniettare liquidità nel sistema finanziario greco e i titoli del debito pubblico continuano ad essere nei portafogli delle banche.
I mercati amplificano certi movimenti in assenza di volumi, ma sono anche repentini nel farli rientrare anzitempo.
 

tommy271

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Greece hit by public transport sector strike over austerity measures​



English.news.cn 2010-09-09 00:11:23


ATHENS, Sept. 8 (Xinhua) -- Greek commuters and foreign tourists Wednesday were hit with a five-hour strike by public transport sector employees over government austerity measures.
Buses, subway and national and international railways didn't operate from noon, causing delays, cancellation of trips and traffic jams in the Athens city center, as hundreds of transport employees marched in front of the Finance Ministry.
Chanting slogans such as "we are not for sale. Greece is not for sale," they protested over policies introduced by the government this year in an effort to solve the country's acute debt crisis.
The socialist government, which implements a Stability and Growth Program with the financial aid of the European Union and the International Monetary Fund to reduce a big budget deficit and return the economy to development, argues there is no alternative way but harsh sacrifices from every Greek.
But protesters denounced cutbacks on salaries and allowances, lay-off and plans to reconstruct the public transport sector, evoking the memory of a string of strikes and demonstrations across Greece earlier this year held by labor unions.
The next big demonstration of labor unions representing public and private sector employees is scheduled for Sept. 11 in the northern city of Thessaloniki with the opening of the city's International Fair by Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou.
On the agenda of the first meeting of the new Greek cabinet after Monday's reshuffle is expected to be the draft bill on the restructuring and in part privatization of the Greek Railways.
The plan is supported by EU-IMF auditors who will be back in Athens next week to discuss with Greek officials the next appropriate steps to reduce public expenses and kick-start the recovery of the ailing Greek national economy.
But labor unions object to the idea of laying off almost half of the current 6,000 employees of the railway company, further cutbacks on wages reaching up to 10 percent and the sell-off of a 48 percent of the company's shares.
Employees argue low and medium income households can't afford more pressure. Unemployment in Greece reached a 12 percent in May, according to the latest data from the Greek National Statistics Agency, and is expected to rise more as seasonal contracts in the tourism sector end and small businesses close down.

Editor: yan​
 

tommy271

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Norway Buys Greek Debt as Sovereign Wealth Fund Sees No Default

September 09, 2010, 2:01 AM EDT


By Josiane Kremer


Sept. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Norway, which has amassed the world’s second-biggest sovereign wealth fund, says Greece won’t default on its debts.
The Nordic nation’s $450 billion Government Pension Fund Global has stocked up on Greek debt, as well as bonds of Spain, Italy and Portugal. Finance Minister Sigbjoern Johnsen says he backs the strategy, which contributed to a 3.4 percent loss on European fixed income in the second quarter, compared with gains on bonds in Asia and the Americas.
“The point is, do you expect these guys to default?” said Harvinder Sian, senior fixed-income strategist at Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc, in an interview. “ Norway has taken the view that they will not. The Greek holdings are particularly interesting because the consensus in the market is that they will at some point restructure or default.”

Norway says its long-term perspective will protect it from losses. “One could say we are investing for infinity,” Johnsen said in an Aug. 27 interview. “It is important when you look at the time scope of the fund and the investments that there should be a portion of active management.”
The fund, which manages Norway’s oil and gas wealth, mostly buys securities in proportion to their importance in global indexes. By using its leeway to stray from those benchmarks using so-called active management, the fund has beaten those measures by an annual average of 0.3 percent since 1998.

Yield Compensation

Yngve Slyngstad, who oversaw a record 633 billion-krone ($103 billion) loss in 2008 when he became chief executive officer, revealed the Greek bond holdings in an Aug. 13 interview. “Even though the situation is difficult and will continue to be difficult, you get compensated with regard to the yields you are getting,” he said. Yields on Greek 10-year debt are more than 9.5 percentage points higher than on German bonds, up from a premium of 1.15 points a year ago.
Norway’s bet on Greece is too risky for many, including Pacific Investment Management Co., which runs the world’s biggest fixed-income fund. “I see it as being quite a substantial risk that Greece eventually defaults or restructures,” said Andrew Bosomworth, Pimco’s Munich-based head of portfolio management.
Pimco is also wary of debt issued by other peripheral EU states. “You have the contagion risk, and until we know precisely how this contagion risk will be contained, it is a pretty risky strategy staying in the other countries as well,” Bosomworth said.

‘Indicators of Default’

The 750 billion-euro ($962 billion) package crafted by the European Union and the IMF as speculation a euro member might default undermined the common currency “has proved successful,” Johnsen said. The IMF said in a Sept. 1 report that “current market indicators of default risk seem to reflect some market overreaction.”
The yield premiums investors demand to hold Greek, Spanish and Irish debt rather than German bunds are even wider than before the EU announced its rescue package on May 10. Spain’s 4 percent yield is about 1.8 points more than bunds, compared with less than a point prior to the bailout. Ireland pays a record 3.8 points more than Germany for 10-year money, more than double the previous spread.

“If I were taking a view of the three- to four-year horizon, I would say there is value out there,” according to Sian at RBS. “But over the near term, which is anything up to the end of the year, the pressure is toward wider spreads.”
Three Times Riskier?
Prices in the credit-default swap market suggest investors are still wary of not getting repaid by Europe’s most indebted nations. It costs almost three times as much to insure against a Greek default as it does to protect bond issued by Iceland, which is reliant on an IMF loan after its 2008 banking collapse wiped out the currency and brought the economy to its knees.

The euro slumped 21 percent from a November 2009 peak through a June trough this year as investors saw evidence of Greece’s fiscal profligacy in other parts of the bloc. The country ran up a budget deficit of 13.6 percent of gross domestic product last year on debt of 115.1 percent of GDP, the European Commission estimated in May. Greece’s debt will swell to 124.9 percent this year, the commission said.
Since June, the euro has strengthened 7.5 percent against the dollar, signaling investors are satisfied the EU’s measures, including stress tests on 91 of its biggest banks and liquidity support, have been effective in stemming the crisis.

Fund Performance

Norway’s oil fund recouped 613 billion kroner in 2009, equivalent to a return of 25.6 percent. After generating a profit in the first quarter, the fund lost 5.4 percent in the three months through June, or 155 billion kroner.
Since 1998, when Norges Bank Investment Management was formed to manage the assets, the fund returned 4.33 percent through June, 0.27 percentage point more than the benchmark portfolio it follows. The central bank oversees the fund’s investment decisions within parameters set by the government. It allocates 60 percent to stocks, 35 percent to bonds and 5 percent to real estate.

Only Abu Dhabi has a larger wealth fund, according to the Sovereign Wealth Fund Institute in California. The Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, which says 60 percent of its fund follows an index, said in its 2009 annual report it had an annual return of 6.5 percent over the past 20 years.
 

tommy271

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I CDS, secondo la rilevazione CMA, ieri sera quotavano a 890. Sempre sotto i picchi massimi registrati ... contrariamente all'andamento dei nostri bond.
 

ferdo

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Norway Buys Greek Debt as Sovereign Wealth Fund Sees No Default
September 09, 2010, 2:01 AM EDT
By Josiane Kremer
Sept. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Norway, which has amassed the world’s second-biggest sovereign wealth fund, says Greece won’t default on its debts.
The Nordic nation’s $450 billion Government Pension Fund Global has stocked up on Greek debt, as well as bonds of Spain, Italy and Portugal. Finance Minister Sigbjoern Johnsen says he backs the strategy, which contributed to a 3.4 percent loss on European fixed income in the second quarter, compared with gains on bonds in Asia and the Americas.
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amo le norvegesi
 

Vet

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Siamo ritornati quasi alla situazione di maggio: spread/bund alle stelle, mentre prosegue il programma concordato con BCE/FMI. Il mercato non ci crede proprio.
Recuperano qualche punto gli altri con la tensione che va leggermente attenuandosi (vedi caso Anglo Irish). Tutti i nodi rimangono però sul tavolo.

Grecia 973 pb. (962)
Irlanda 372 pb. (381)
Portogallo 352 pb. (362)
Spagna 173 pb. (179)
Italia 146 pb. (148)

Purtroppo è proprio questo il problema "il mercato crede nel default Grecia".....altrimenti non si spiegano le attuali quotazioni di un bond che per un paio d'anni è "formalmente "garantito dalla BCE.....PERò il mercato fa le sue valutazioni con i dati di oggi.....non quelli del 2012-13.....quindi non ci resta che aspettare che le macchinette in vendita passino dall'altra parte ( visione positiva ma non impossibile)
 

Grisù

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Questa e' una questione economica.....le culture e civiltà
passate centrano davvero poco.....comunque come ho ribadito prima finche' c'e
l'ombrello bce nema problema.......poi di vedra'

Su questo punto invito tutti a fare attenzione poichè la coperturà IMF/EU non è affatto scontata quarto su quarto. Questo il mercato lo sa ed è per questa ragione che anche i brevi quotano interessi a doppia cifra.

Nello scenario improbabile ma non impossibile nel quale ci siano deviazioni nette dai risultati auspicati o cambiamenti nel governo greco dettati dalla piazza potremmo anche assistere a nuovi scenari prima del previsto.

A mio parere comunque il rischio default sarà molto maggiore qualora il deficit si assesti intorno alla parita, a quel punto il paese potrebbe più o meno allegramente ripudiare il debito e tornarsene alla dracma. Non è escluso che Lazard gli abbia indicato uno scenario come questo, risanare con l'aiuto di IMF/EU e poi decidere sulla base delle alternative o delle nuove condizioni imposte a partire dal 2012.

Il paragone con GM che leggo francamente non regge, se in Italia fallisse ad esempio la Fiat non credo ci sarebbero questi impatti irreparabili sull'economia del paese.
 

tommy271

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China c.banker frets over EU, wants flexible yuan-UPDATE 1



Thursday September 09, 2010 03:57:06 AM GMT
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BEIJING, Sept 9 (Reuters) - The sovereign debt strains plaguing the eurozone could deepen, with Greece and Spain particularly at risk, a senior Chinese central banker said on Thursday.
Li Dongrong, an assistant governor of the People's Bank of China, said Europe's economic recovery had been better than expected but a drive to cut government deficits could dent growth.
Speaking at a financial forum, Li ruled out a double-dip recession but said the global recovery was still fragile and uneven.
Emerging economies faced the twin risks of inflation and capital inflows, Li added.
Turning to China, Li advocated greater flexibility of the yuan <CNY=CFXS>, which has remained pinned in narrow ranges since a decision on June 19 to scrap its 23-month-old peg to the dollar. He did not elaborate.
On inflation, Li said there was a need to deepen analysis of China's price trends and to reduce inflationary risk.

(Reporting by Langi Chiang and Alan Wheatley; Editing by Ken Wills)
 

tommy271

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Su questo punto invito tutti a fare attenzione poichè la coperturà IMF/EU non è affatto scontata quarto su quarto. Questo il mercato lo sa ed è per questa ragione che anche i brevi quotano interessi a doppia cifra.

Nello scenario improbabile ma non impossibile nel quale ci siano deviazioni nette dai risultati auspicati o cambiamenti nel governo greco dettati dalla piazza potremmo anche assistere a nuovi scenari prima del previsto.

A mio parere comunque il rischio default sarà molto maggiore qualora il deficit si assesti intorno alla parita, a quel punto il paese potrebbe più o meno allegramente ripudiare il debito e tornarsene alla dracma. Non è escluso che Lazard gli abbia indicato uno scenario come questo, risanare con l'aiuto di IMF/EU e poi decidere sulla base delle alternative o delle nuove condizioni imposte a partire dal 2012.

Il paragone con GM che leggo francamente non regge, se in Italia fallisse ad esempio la Fiat non credo ci sarebbero questi impatti irreparabili sull'economia del paese.

A volte abbiamo gli stessi dubbi.
 

Grisù

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I CDS, secondo la rilevazione CMA, ieri sera quotavano a 890. Sempre sotto i picchi massimi registrati ... contrariamente all'andamento dei nostri bond.

In ogni caso se vuoi utilizzare i CDS come indicatore di rischio, ti consiglio di monitorare la probabilità di default piuttosto che lo spread. Questa è piuttosto stabile ed è intorno al 50% da diverse settimane.

In fondo è come puntare sul rosso o nero al casinò.... :D
 
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