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Ciao Stock, qui sinora si è scritto del solo haircut sul flusso cedolare: non leggo di un allungamento delle scadenze. Non credo neanche necessario ...
Questo sarebbe solo sul prestito della troika.

:mmmm:

Greece examines prospect of debt restructuring after 2013: report​



English.news.cn 2010-12-23 21:03:32



ATHENS, Dec. 23 (Xinhua) -- Greece is examining the possibility of restructuring its debt after 2013 without a "haircut" on the value of the Greek bonds, a Greek newspaper said Thursday.

Quoting government sources, "Ta Nea" daily said a governmental financial team has already unofficially submitted a plan to the European Commission, the European Central Bank and Berlin for deliberations.

The plan rejects any form of restructuring the Greek debt before 2014. Greece will be financially supported by the safety mechanism activated by the European Union (EU) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) in May with 110 billion euros (144.4 billion U.S. dollars) over the next three years.

The newspaper said the Greek government proposes the extension of the repayment period for its loans from the IMF and its European partners, as well as loans from other lenders.

Furthermore, the plan seems to include a decrease on the interest rates of these loans.
Officials in Brussels appear positive to the idea, but the fundamental perquisite for such a plan is the Greek economy will be able to register positive figures in 2013.

Greek and foreign experts warn this will be achieved only through the full and fast implementation of a stability and growth program by Greek to fix the decades-long problems of the Greek economy and drastically slash the budget deficit.
Cioè magari va anche inteso come il best-case scenario, perchè se poi non c'è neanche "growth" magari ci mettono sopra pure un haircut ? :-? :eek: :mmmm:

Currently, the deficit stands at 9.4 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP). The target is to lower it below 3 percent, within the EU threshold, in 2014.

Early Thursday, the Greek parliament approved the 2011 national austerity budget to tackle the country's serious debt crisis.
The 2011 budget is one more step towards that direction, Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou said.

The budget, which introduces further austerity policies, passed with 156 votes in favor and 142 against in the 300-member strong parliament.

All deputies of the ruling socialist PASOK party supported the bill, despite criticism from some deputies on some policies. The opposition parties rejected the bill.

Addressing the parliament, Papandreou expressed once more the determination of the government to achieve the goal of leading Greece out of the debt crisis, stressing "eventually doomsayers who predict a Greek default will be proved wrong."

Noting the painful measures are now behind, the Greek prime minister said the priority in 2011 is structural reforms to restart economic development.

Local analysts say that under the pressure of unionists with their continued strikes and protests over the austerity policies, the government will delay until early 2011 the implementation of the restructuring of loss-making state companies, such as those in the railway sector, and the liberalization of "closed" professions, such as pharmacists and architects.

The government tries to avoid further social unrest and negative impacts on Greek economy, analysts say, adding Papandreou and his finance advisors reject the idea of restructuring the Greek debt in 2011 or 2012 for this same reason.

According "Ta Nea" daily, Greek officials believe imminent restructuring would deteriorate the standing of Greek banks and debt-ridden social security funds.

Amidst negative atmosphere, funds would not be able to pay pensioners and in that case the Greek government would have to step in and release funds, creating a new budget deficit.

Greek officials opt for delaying the restructuring to 2014 for one more reason, the report said.
On Jan. 1, 2011, the newly-created permanent support mechanism of the EU will be in force.

Since the new mechanism includes a framework of European rules for restructuring, Greece or any other country in need won't be alone in negotiations with lenders in the future, but will be supported in a way by the rest of its European partners.

E i lenders saremmo noi....:(
(Xinxua.com)



Greece Leads Increase in Sovereign Debt on Restructuring Bets

By Abigail Moses - Dec 23, 2010 1:52 PM GMT+0100



Greece led an increase in the cost of insuring sovereign debt on speculation the government will restructure its debt.
Credit-default swaps on Greece jumped 33.5 basis points to 1,014.5, the highest in a month, according to CMA. The Markit iTraxx SovX Western Europe Index of swaps on 15 governments rose 4 basis points to a record 206.

Greece unofficially informed European Union officials and the European Central Bank that after 2013 it will seek an extension on all outstanding debt and a reduction in interest, Ta Nea newspaper reported, without citing anyone. No cut in the face value of the debt is planned, the Athens-based daily said.

“If Greece can extend the loan and lower coupon payments, that’s probably positive,” said
Greg Venizelos, a credit strategist at BNP Paribas SA in London. “If it escalates to a discussion about haircutting debt, that’s another thing.”
Spokesmen for the Greek Finance Ministry, the Bank of Greece and the ECB declined to comment on the report.

Greek central bank chief George Provopoulos, government adviser Lucas Papademos and bankers have met on the restructuring plan in recent weeks, Ta Nea said. Greece received a 110 billion-euro ($144 billion) bailout from the EU and International Monetary Fund in May.

Swaps on Portugal increased 6 basis points to 493, Italy rose 5 to 231 and Ireland was 3.5 higher at 597.5, CMA prices show.
“Spreads are marked wider, but there’s hardly any trading,” Venizelos said.

The Markit iTraxx Crossover Index of 50 companies with mostly high-yield credit ratings rose 3 basis points to 439.5 and the Markit iTraxx Europe Index of 125 investment-grade companies was up 1 at 105.5, according to JPMorgan Chase & Co.
A basis point on a credit-default swap contract protecting 10 million euros of debt from default for five years is equivalent to 1,000 euros a year.

Credit-default swaps pay the buyer face value in exchange for the underlying securities or the cash equivalent should a company fail to adhere to its debt agreements.

(Bloomberg)

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Babbo Natale ...:down:
 

tommy271

Forumer storico
Da come leggo mi pare che si intenda l'estensione del periodo di rimborso al FMI e agli altri finanziatori, intesi come UE e BCE.
Il taglio sul flusso cedolare è riservato all'attuale debito detenuto da investitori privati (banche, fondi, persone).

Comunque sappiamo che le agenzie di stampa, a volte, sono imprecise.
Le fonti elleniche tacciono sino a questo momento: nè conferme, nè smentite.

Comunque un bel pacco di Natale per chi si aspettava una pur minima "ripresina" ...

Quello che è stato - al momento - sottovalutato sarebbe l'azione coordinata su Grecia, Irlanda e Portogallo.
 

tommy271

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EU welcomes approval of 2011 budget by Greek parliament


European Union officials on Thursday welcomed the ratification, by a majority of MPs in the Greek Parliament, of the 2011 budget and the fiscal consolidation measures included in the legislation.


“We welcome the fulfilment of Greece’s international obligations,” Christina Arrigo, a representative of the European Commission, told reporters.

(ana.gr)
 

azetaelle

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Mi sembra molto strano che annuncino oggi un taglio delle cedole (o un haircut o quello che sarà) previsto per il 2013, significherebbe segarsi le gambe da subito. Queste cose di solito le tieni nascoste e le annunci solo quando le hai già fatte, chi è dentro è dentro, e chi è fuori è fuori....
 

tommy271

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Mi sembra molto strano che annuncino oggi un taglio delle cedole (o un haircut o quello che sarà) previsto per il 2013, significherebbe segarsi le gambe da subito. Queste cose di solito le tieni nascoste e le annunci solo quando le hai già fatte, chi è dentro è dentro, e chi è fuori è fuori....

Fermo un istante!

Nessuno ha annunciato nulla, si tratta di confidenze pubblicate sul quotidiano greco "Ta Nea".
A mio parere verosimili.
Per quello che interpreto io, haircut del solo flusso cedolare, piuttosto blando se il tutto non sarebbe però associato ad un provvedimento analogo in contemporanea su Irlanda e Portogallo (però questi titoli attualmente quotano di più).
 

Pyrinos

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Ciao Stock, qui sinora si è scritto del solo haircut sul flusso cedolare: non leggo di un allungamento delle scadenze. Non credo neanche necessario ...
Questo sarebbe solo sul prestito della troika.


Tommy ho letto l articolo e parla anche di allungamento di vechi bonds.
Ho letto anche una variante oggi cioe
quelli con scadenze 1-5 anni doppo il 13 allungamento fino 10 anni con taglio cedolare
rispetto all atuale livelo.

Un decenale con scadenza 14 aveva un coupon minore del attuale decenale che e circa 12%
Allungamento della scadenza con un coupon di 6% circa.

Pero anche io sono confuso.

:ciao:
 

tommy271

Forumer storico
Tommy ho letto l articolo e parla anche di allungamento di vechi bonds.
Ho letto anche una variante oggi cioe
quelli con scadenze 1-5 anni doppo il 13 allungamento fino 10 anni con taglio cedolare
rispetto all atuale livelo.

Un decenale con scadenza 14 aveva un coupon minore del attuale decenale che e circa 12%
Allungamento della scadenza con un coupon di 6% circa.

Pero anche io sono confuso.

:ciao:

In questo caso, l'intervento sarebbe pesante.
Pyrinos, sui siti in lingua inglese non si legge nulla.
Se hai qualche notizia direttamente dai siti ellenici faresti un favore a tutti. Ciao.
 

tommy271

Forumer storico
Greek Banks Towards Fresh Year Lows



The General Index of the Athens Stock Exchange ended with small losses on Thursday in a flattish session while turnover remained low, as expected, marginally exceeding EUR47 million.

Aligned with the European markets, Athens Exchange remained today close to critical technical support levels, retaing its downward trend since the end of last week.

Banks maintained their underperforming trend as they posted losses of 8.1% for the week compared with General Index’s losses of 3.59% for the same period.

Speculation about the restructuring of Greece’s debt stays in the spotlight while at the same time one more report, this time from Credit Suisse, expects the outlook for the Greek banking sector to be negative in 2011.

Across the board, the General Index moved marginally down, at 1,444.19 units, down 0.34%. 16.67 million units were traded on a total turnover of 47.31 million euro. An amount of 77 shares rose, while 74 declined and 151 remained unchanged.

Banks posted losses of 1.04% (1.13% intraday) at 1285.38 points.

Marfin Bank and Geniki retreated, declining by 4.31% and 3.13% respectively, while National Bank and Eurobank posted losses of 0.79% and 1.03% respectively.

(capital.gr)

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Dalla Borsa di Atene nessuna variazione significativa.
 

ficodindia

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Notizie contraddittorie:continuazione

Come si concilia il proposito di ristrutturazione del debito con la seguente affermazione del primo ministro greco:
<<Addressing the House prior to the vote, Prime Minister George Papandreou stressed that "I declare myself more optimistic than ever for Hellenism and Greece. In 2012 we shall enter a growth orbit and in 2013, riddance from the memorandum. The painful measures are now behind us.">>
Se la Grecia ristruttura le misure di politica economica dovranno essere necessariemente ancor più restrittive e la liberazione dai vincoli del "memorandum" un pio desiderio.
 
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