Titoli di Stato area Euro GRECIA Operativo titoli di stato - Cap. 1

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Ragazzi, la Grecia spende in armamenti circa il 10% del PIL, da quanto abbiamo letto... Ok, ci sono stati i problemi con la Turchia, c'è il problema di Cipro... chi di voi avesse seguito Report, avrebbe sentito che si tratta di circa 8 mld euro (o 7, non vorrei sbagliare)

L'Italia, per un paragone, spende fra l'1,5% ed il 2%... proprio sicuri che la Grecia non possa fare nulla per risparmiare sulle spese militari ?

Cmq vorrei anche suggerire a Tommy un po' di relax... lo vedo molto fisso sull'argomento, ma qui si rischia di andare avanti ancora un paio settimane prima di mettere un punto fermo da qualche parte... ;)

Su 7 almeno 5 potrebbero risparmiarli tranquillamente;)Mah:rolleyes:
 
Le notizie dalla stampa internazionale non sono buone: pare che anche il 12,9% di deficit/PIL 2009 possa essere rivisto al rialzo di qualche decimale, secondo quanto dichiarato del ministro delle finanze greco, sebbene venga confermato il target del 8,7% di deficit/PIl per il 2010...

La stampa anglofona, il WSJ, il NY Times, il Guardian ecc. puntano tutti sulla impraticabilità per la Grecia di una soluzione che gli consenta di risanare lasciando intatto il debito...

Brussels Beat: Is a Bailout Enough? - WSJ.com
 
Le notizie dalla stampa internazionale non sono buone: pare che anche il 12,9% di deficit/PIL 2009 possa essere rivisto al rialzo di qualche decimale, secondo quanto dichiarato del ministro delle finanze greco, sebbene venga confermato il target del 8,7% di deficit/PIl per il 2010...

La stampa anglofona, il WSJ, il NY Times, il Guardian ecc. puntano tutti sulla impraticabilità per la Grecia di una soluzione che gli consenta di risanare lasciando intatto il debito...

Brussels Beat: Is a Bailout Enough? - WSJ.com

Se guardiamo ai fondamentali, se guardiamo alla logica dei fatti, il default della Grecia sarebbe la migliore soluzione possibile.
Ma a mio avviso sarebbe una soluzione tragica per l' Europa, tragica per la ripresa economica, e tragica per tutti gli stati che sebbene in una situazione ben meno critica della Grecia non posso certo definirsi al sicuro.
Io rimango dell' idea che non lasceranno fallire la Grecia, ci vogliano 40 50 100 miiardi di euro spalmati in 3-5 anni.
Sarebbe il fallimento della moneta unica, e l'inizio dellla disgregazione.
Mi auguro che la Grecia avii un processo vero di risanamento, con tagli al limite del sostenibile, e che l'Europa la appoggi.
Poi le regole della politica alle volte sono incomprensibili, vedi il fallimento di Lehman Brothers, ma penso altresì che la lezione sia stata imparata da tutti.
 
Germany warns of 'Lehman' crisis if Greece defaults

German finance minister Wolfgang Schauble has pleaded with his country's citizens to back a joint EU-IMF bail out for Greece worth up to €45bn (£40bn), warning that failure to act risks a financial meltdown.

"We cannot allow the bankruptcy of a euro member state like Greece to turn into a second Lehman Brothers," he told Der Spiegel.
"Greece's debts are all in euros, but it isn't clear who holds how much of those debts. The consequences of a national bankruptcy would be incalculable. Greece is just as systemically important as a major bank," he said.

Mr Schauble said Berlin had scant room for manoeuvre over the bail-out given a likely court challenge by German professors but promised to "abide by the constitution".
German backing failed to stop spreads on 10-year Greek bonds surging to 454 basis points over German Bunds, the highest since the launch of the euro.
"Investors are not going to believe in a rescue deal until every 'i' it dotted and every 't' is crossed, " said Marc Ostwald from Monument Securities. "But there is also a deeper fear that Greece could bring down the whole pack of cards."
An administrator of China's foreign exchange fund SAFE – the world's top investor – was quoted by Asia's newswire IGM-FX warning that Greece may set off a chain reaction in the eurozone, and that some states with big debts may default.
"China is becoming concerned about Europe," said Simon Derrick, currency chief at the Bank of New York Mellon. "Greece is going to struggle to find anybody to buy its debt. There is no road-show in Asia, and it may pull out of its show in the US."
IMF data shows that China and emerging markets have accumulated $4.8 trillion (£3.1bn) in foreign reserves. Roughly $1.7 trillion is invested in eurozone bonds. These rising powers will decide how Europe's drama unfolds.
Greece plans to raise €1.5bn in short-term notes on Tuesday . A crunch looms in mid-May with the refinancing of €8.5bn in bonds.
Investors have been unsettled by growing popular hostility in Greece to austerity measures. The Adedy union has called a fresh strike on Thursday. Yiannis Panagopoulos, head of the GSEE labour group, said EU demands for a pensions shake-up are unacceptable, threatening a "social storm" if the proposals go to parliament.
Premier George Papandreou has yet to activate the EU rescue, raising EU suspicions that he is playing poker to extract better terms. Nout Wellink, Holland's member at the European Central Bank, said Greece needs to show greater "urgency".
Mr Papandreou has sent mixed signals, saying Athens would make up its mind over coming weeks. "Whether the mechanism is activated or not will be judged based on what's in the interests of our country."
His vague stand leaves nagging doubts that Greece may decide to opt for debt restructuring instead. This would share the pain with creditors, who might face a "haircut" of 50pc. Some City bankers are expecting a "Brady bond" solution, the 1980s formula used for Latin American debt.
Mr Papandreou said Greece "will not default" but investors will fret until he grasps the EU-IMF nettle. The political cost of doing so is rising fast. Greek polls show popular fury over the role of the IMF, long-demonised as the agent of hair-shirt Thatcherism.
In reality it is unclear whether the Fund would be harsher than the EU. Brussels is already demanding a cut in the budget deficit from 12.9pc of GDP to 8.5pc, despite recession. Ken Rogoff, the IMF's ex-chief economist, said the Fund would be gentler on fiscal austerity to give the country breathing room, but might impose deep structural reforms.
Eurogroup chief Jean-Claude Junker on Monday raised "the possibility of new measures" at this week's troika meeting of EU and IMF officials in Athens.
 
German finance minister Wolfgang Schauble has pleaded with his country's citizens to back a joint EU-IMF bail out for Greece worth up to €45bn (£40bn), warning that failure to act risks a financial meltdown.

"We cannot allow the bankruptcy of a euro member state like Greece to turn into a second Lehman Brothers," he told Der Spiegel.
"Greece's debts are all in euros, but it isn't clear who holds how much of those debts. The consequences of a national bankruptcy would be incalculable. Greece is just as systemically important as a major bank," he said.
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Finalmente lo stanno capendo in modo chiaro

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Mr Papandreou has sent mixed signals, saying Athens would make up its mind over coming weeks. "Whether the mechanism is activated or not will be judged based on what's in the interests of our country."
His vague stand leaves nagging doubts that Greece may decide to opt for debt restructuring instead. This would share the pain with creditors, who might face a "haircut" of 50pc. Some City bankers are expecting a "Brady bond" solution, the 1980s formula used for Latin American debt.
Mr Papandreou said Greece "will not default" but investors will fret until he grasps the EU-IMF nettle. The political cost of doing so is rising fast. Greek polls show popular fury over the role of the IMF, long-demonised as the agent of hair-shirt Thatcherism.
In reality it is unclear whether the Fund would be harsher than the EU.
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Questo passo è un po' inquietante
L'haircut inizia a saltar fuori troppo spesso per i miei gusti!
 
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"La Grecia dovrà prendere in prestito più di 30 miliardi di euro promesso dalla UE", ha detto una dichiarazione del presidente della Banca centrale tedesca, Axel Weber.

Inoltre, l'Axel Weber, riprese televisive che hanno visto delle manifestazioni in Grecia è segnalato per non nascondere la sua preoccupazione per quella parte della popolazione greca o non sono interessati o non comprendere la gravità della situazione dell'economia greca</span>
 
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