Tobia
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non sarà perchè conoscono molto di più i loro polli (Merkel)?
Da qui alle elezioni chissà quante altre uscite ci riserverà la signora....
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non sarà perchè conoscono molto di più i loro polli (Merkel)?
Da qui alle elezioni chissà quante altre uscite ci riserverà la signora....
sethi
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tommy271
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Oppure va a mille... così abbiamo fatto la quadratura del cerchio
.Probabile (e fisiologico) qualche ritracciamento prima dell'erogazione nero su bianco del liquido.
Poi ritengo che fino a settembre la situazione dovrebbe essere tranquilla.
Nel frattempo avremo modo di seguire passo a passo i provvedimenti presi e la reale incidenza sul debito/Pil.
Comunque, ricordiamoci sempre che siamo su un titolo a rischio. Quello che scrivo è ciò che penso: può verificarsi l'esatto opposto.
Imark
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Boh, poi invece magari alla fine avrà ragione il MOT...
Cmq ecco le proposte UE/FMI come comunicate alla stampa dai sindacati greci, girate loro da Papandreou come un "prendere o lasciare" offerto alla Grecia.
In pratica si tratta di passare da un deficit/PIL del 14% quale nel 2009 ad uno pari a 4% a fine 2011, tagliando il deficit in percentuale uguale al 10% del PIL in due anni.
Finora il record è della Finlandia, che riuscì a tagliare il deficit PIL dentro la moneta unica (con cambi fissi, dunque e senza poter svalutare) dell'8,7% in 3 anni... però il primo anno il PIL fece -6,25%, il secondo -3,73%, ed il terzo -1% per cui, per tenere fermo l'obiettivo, occorre considerare che il PIL di arrivo era molto inferiore a quello di partenza...
Per farlo chiedono un ulteriore taglio del 10% ai salari pubblici, in aggiunta al 4% già previsto dai greci, mediante l'eliminazione delle gratifiche natalizie e pasquali, il congelamento dei salari per 3 anni, il passaggio dell'IVA dal 21% al 23-25%, la salita del 10% delle accise su alcool, tabacco e carburanti... oltre ad una serie di altre cose, tipo la riforma previdenziale...
Se funzionasse, prevedono che a partire dal 2012 la Grecia potrebbe tornare sul mercato obbligazionario
Vedremo i greci...
UPDATE 2-EU/IMF want tougher Greek austerity for deal -union
* Proposals target bonuses, some worth a month's pay
Bonds | Global Markets | Greece
* Hikes to VAT, excise taxes, also under discussion
* EU/IMF deal expected to be finalised within days
(Adds union leaders, spokesman, reaction)
By Lefteris Papadimas and Dina Kyriakidou
ATHENS, April 29 (Reuters) - Greece will impose steeper salary cuts and new austerity measures to clinch a three-year, multi-billion euro aid deal and avoid default, union officials said on Thursday, vowing protests.
Prime Minister George Papandreou met unions to discuss the European Union and International Monetary Fund bailout, expected to be finalised within days, to prepare the ground for what are set to be unpopular measures.
"We realised we stand before a done deal," said Ilias Iliopoulos, secretary general of the ADEDY public sector union after the meeting. "This will acutely burden people, and what is worse, unfairly."
Unionists said Papandreou told them measures requested by the EU/IMF team include abolishing Christmas and Easter bonuses together worth two months' pay, a rise in VAT and other steps to cut the budget deficit by 10 percent of GDP in 2010 and 2011.
"They want Greece to cut the deficit by 10 percentage points in 2010 and 2011 ... so that Greece can go back and borrow on markets in the third year of the programme," said one union official who requested anonymity.
Revelations in October by the new socialist government that the budget deficit was much bigger than expected launched Greece into a debt crisis that is threatening global markets.
The initial 12.7 percent deficit of gross domestic product for 2009 was revised to 13.6 percent last month, undermining Greek targets to bring the gap below 3 percent of GDP by 2012 by cutting it to 8.7 percent in 2010 and 5.6 percent in 2011.
DEBT EXPIRING
Investors are closely watching the talks for details on whether the aid will start in time for Greece to refinance an 8.5 billion euro bond coming due on May 19 and if the deal will be big enough to handle Athens' 300 billion euro debt pile.
Greek bond interest rates have hit record highs as a result of the crisis, making borrowing on markets prohibitive.
The euro zone member state has already cut public sector wages, hiked taxes, frozen pensions and taken other steps to cut the deficit by around a third this year, despite widespread opposition from Greeks.
Sources close to the talks said earlier on Thursday the measures being discussed include hiking Value Added Tax by 2-4 percentage points from 21 percent currently, and a rise of at least 10 percent on fuel, tobacco and alcohol taxes.
"All these are on the table," said one of the sources, who requested anonymity. "They are not final yet."
Union officials said a three-year public sector wage freeze was also being discussed.
The elimination of Christmas and Easter bonuses, the equivalent to 13th and 14th monthly salaries, would mean an additional 10 percent cut in public sector base salaries over an already agreed 4 percent cut, saving the state about 1.4 billion euros a year.
"The talks are tough," government spokesman George Petalotis told reporters. "No one can guarantee anything, we know how difficult the country's situation is."
In Brussels, Economic and Monetary Affairs Commissioner Olli Rehn said the EU should complete talks with Greece "within days" on a financial aid package, conditional on Greece cutting its deficit. He gave no details of the package. [ID:nBRU010773]
On Wednesday, Germany's Green party parliamentary leader cited IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn as saying the aid package would be worth 100-120 billion euros ($133-160 billion) over three years, with 45 billion euros expected in the first year.
Cuts were also aimed at Greece's system of public wage allowances, which often include generous extra pay for activities such as using computers or getting to work on time.
These are primarily meant to keep base salaries and pensions low, and a 5-15 percent cut could save the state about 300 million euros a year.
More measures are bound to meet resistance. Opinion polls show a majority of Greeks oppose outside aid and expect the rescue package to hit living standards. Unions have pledged strikes and many analysts fear violent protests come autumn.
"It's a disaster! The government has crossed the line," said Despina Spanou, a member of the public sector union ADEDY board. "We can't live this way. We will fight these measures with all our might, because this is a battle for survival." (Additional reporting by Renee Maltezou; writing by Dina Kyriakidou; editing by Stephen Nisbet)
tommy271
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Siamo su un capitale di rischio, la strada non è tracciata.
Altrimenti Bund e Oat
.Imark
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Secondo la Reuters citata sopra, quelle dei dipendenti pubblici valgono 1,4 mld euro annui...
D'altronde, mi torna la reuters, altrimenti queste sole gratifiche varrebbero quasi il 10% del PIL il che, se ci pensi, è impossibile...
tommy271
Forumer storico
Secondo la Reuters citata sopra, quelle dei dipendenti pubblici valgono 1,4 mld euro annui...
Si mi stavo correggendo, scusa.
La manovra di 10 punti sul PIL comporta un risparmio di 25 MLD.
Comunque non è poco, il materiale su cui lavorare c'è.
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