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Markets are in a #Dijsselblood mode :D

Spread Grecia adesso piu' alto della chiusura di venerdi' scorso...1041,3

FITCH: WE ARE ALERT TO THE PRECEDENT CYPRUS MAY SET FOR FURTHER FORMS OF CAPITAL CONTROLS WITHIN THE EUROZONE
 
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Affermazioni dissennate.

Secondo il "genio" economico Dijsellbloem anche detenere la liquidità, ossia il contante, comporta un rischio d'investimento. Infatti affermare che:
<<If the bank can't do it, then we'll talk to the shareholders and the bondholders, we'll ask them to contribute in recapitalising the bank, and if necessary the uninsured deposit holders," he said.>>, significa che anche il depositante deve correre il rischio del fallimento di una banca, ossia significa semplicemente porre una mina deflagrante sul sistema finanziario. Insomma questo signore è proprio una sciagura, non sa ciò che dice. Caro Sciagura la soluzione delle banche decotte è semplicemente la loro nazionalizzazione salvaguardanto i depositanti, accollando la perdita agli azionisti ed eventualmente anche agli obbligazionisti, ma il tuo liberismo selvaggio non ti fa vedere una soluzione così banale ed evidente. Del resto, caro Sciagura, se detenere l'euro comporta un rischio significa semplicemente che l'euro è morto.

ekathimerini.com | Dijsellbloem says depositors in other eurozone countries may have to pay for banks
 
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After Cyprus, eurozone faces tough bank regime - Eurogroup head

"What we've done last night is what I call pushing back the risks," Dutch Finance Minister Jeroen Dijsselbloem, who heads the Eurogroup of euro zone finance ministers, told Reuters and the Financial Times hours after the Cyprus deal was struck.

"If there is a risk in a bank, our first question should be 'Okay, what are you in the bank going to do about that? What can you do to recapitalise yourself?'. If the bank can't do it, then we'll talk to the shareholders and the bondholders, we'll ask them to contribute in recapitalising the bank, and if necessary the uninsured deposit holders," he said.

After 12 hours of talks with the EU and IMF, Cyprus agreed to shut down its second largest bank, with insured deposits - those below 100,000 euros - moved to the Bank of Cyprus, the country's largest lender. Uninsured deposits, those accounts with more than 100,000 euros, face losses of 4.2 billion euros.

Uninsured depositors in the Bank of Cyprus will have their accounts frozen while the bank is restructured and recapitalised. Any capital that is needed to strengthen the bank will be drawn from accounts above 100,000 euros.

The agreement is what is known as a "bail-in", with shareholders and bondholders in banks forced to bear the costs of the restructuring first, followed by uninsured depositors. Under EU rules, deposits up to 100,000 euros are guaranteed.

The approach marks a radical departure for euro zone policy after three years of crisis in which taxpayers across the region have effectively been on the hook for resolving problem banks and indebted governments via multiple rescue programmes.

That process, with governments and taxpayers bearing the costs and providing the back stop, had to stop, Dijsselbloem said. Recent financial market calm meant now was the time to make the change, although he conceded there was some concern that it could unsettle markets again.


"If we want to have a healthy, sound financial sector, the only way is to say, 'Look, there where you take on the risks, you must deal with them, and if you can't deal with them, then you shouldn't have taken them on,'" he said.

"The consequences may be that it's the end of story, and that is an approach that I think, now that we are out of the heat of the crisis, we should take."

If adopted by the euro zone, Dijsselbloem's template could also sound a death knell for a plan hatched nine months ago when the euro zone debt crisis was threatening to blow the currency area apart.

Then, euro zone leaders agreed that the bloc's future rescue fund should be allowed to recapitalise banks directly, thereby breaking the debilitating link between teetering banks and weak governments forced to bail them out. That may now never happen.

Asked what the new approach meant for euro zone countries with highly leveraged banking sectors, such as Luxembourg and Malta, and for other countries with banking problems such as Slovenia, Dijsselbloem said they would have to shrink banks down.

"It means deal with it before you get in trouble. Strengthen your banks, fix your balance sheets and realise that if a bank gets in trouble, the response will no longer automatically be that we'll come and take away your problem. We're going to push them back. That's the first response we need. Push them back. You deal with them."

ESM

The marked change in attitude, which Dijsselbloem agreed was a shift in strategy for EU policymakers, has consequences for how banks are recapitalised and for how financial markets react.

One of the major steps the euro zone has taken over the past three years has been to set up a rescue mechanism with guarantees and paid in capital totalling up to 700 billion euros - the European Stability Mechanism.

The expectation was that the ESM would be able to directly recapitalise euro zone banks that run into trouble from mid-2014, once the European Central Bank has full oversight of all the region's banks.

The goal of the ESM and direct recapitalisation was to break the so-called "doom loop" between indebted governments and their banking sectors. Now, Dijsselbloem says the aim is for the ESM never to have to be used.

"We should aim at a situation where we will never need to even consider direct recapitalisation," he said.

"If we have even more instruments in terms of bail-in and how far we can go on bail-in, the need for direct recap will become smaller and smaller.

"I think the approach needs to be, let's deal with the banks within the banks first, before looking at public money or any other instrument coming from the public side. Banks should basically be able to save themselves, or at least restructure or recapitalise themselves as far as possible."

Dijsselbloem, 46, who took over as Eurogroup president only in January, said he had discussed the new approach with financial market participants and said he expected that they would adjust to the new regime over time.

"Now we're going down the bail-in track and I'm pretty confident that the markets will see this as a sensible, very concentrated and direct approach instead of a more general approach," he said.

"It will force all financial institutions, as well as investors, to think about the risks they are taking on because they will now have to realise that it may also hurt them. The risks might come towards them."
 
Non è pazzo ... ha le sue idee, molto personali :-o.

Idee confuse, dannose e contraddittorie !

4 giorni fa ha detto:
Cyprus Very Special Case

oggi:
Cyprus bank restructuring plan should be seen as template for rest of Euro-zone


Prima di tutto dovrebbe mettersi d'accordo con se stesso!

Ma la cosa migliore è rimuoverlo dall'incarico al piu' presto, prima che possa fare altri danni ! Anzi, cominciamo a tagliare del 40% il suo conto corrente, poi vediamo se continua a pensarla allo stesso modo, sto str..zo

ciao,
cdr
 
"What we've done last night is what I call pushing back the risks," Dutch Finance Minister Jeroen Dijsselbloem, who heads the Eurogroup of euro zone finance ministers, told Reuters and the Financial Times hours after the Cyprus deal was struck.

"If there is a risk in a bank, our first question should be 'Okay, what are you in the bank going to do about that? What can you do to recapitalise yourself?'. If the bank can't do it, then we'll talk to the shareholders and the bondholders, we'll ask them to contribute in recapitalising the bank, and if necessary the uninsured deposit holders," he said.

After 12 hours of talks with the EU and IMF, Cyprus agreed to shut down its second largest bank, with insured deposits - those below 100,000 euros - moved to the Bank of Cyprus, the country's largest lender. Uninsured deposits, those accounts with more than 100,000 euros, face losses of 4.2 billion euros.

Uninsured depositors in the Bank of Cyprus will have their accounts frozen while the bank is restructured and recapitalised. Any capital that is needed to strengthen the bank will be drawn from accounts above 100,000 euros.

The agreement is what is known as a "bail-in", with shareholders and bondholders in banks forced to bear the costs of the restructuring first, followed by uninsured depositors. Under EU rules, deposits up to 100,000 euros are guaranteed.

The approach marks a radical departure for euro zone policy after three years of crisis in which taxpayers across the region have effectively been on the hook for resolving problem banks and indebted governments via multiple rescue programmes.

That process, with governments and taxpayers bearing the costs and providing the back stop, had to stop, Dijsselbloem said. Recent financial market calm meant now was the time to make the change, although he conceded there was some concern that it could unsettle markets again.

"If we want to have a healthy, sound financial sector, the only way is to say, 'Look, there where you take on the risks, you must deal with them, and if you can't deal with them, then you shouldn't have taken them on,'" he said.

"The consequences may be that it's the end of story, and that is an approach that I think, now that we are out of the heat of the crisis, we should take."

If adopted by the euro zone, Dijsselbloem's template could also sound a death knell for a plan hatched nine months ago when the euro zone debt crisis was threatening to blow the currency area apart.

Then, euro zone leaders agreed that the bloc's future rescue fund should be allowed to recapitalise banks directly, thereby breaking the debilitating link between teetering banks and weak governments forced to bail them out. That may now never happen.

Asked what the new approach meant for euro zone countries with highly leveraged banking sectors, such as Luxembourg and Malta, and for other countries with banking problems such as Slovenia, Dijsselbloem said they would have to shrink banks down.

"It means deal with it before you get in trouble. Strengthen your banks, fix your balance sheets and realise that if a bank gets in trouble, the response will no longer automatically be that we'll come and take away your problem. We're going to push them back. That's the first response we need. Push them back. You deal with them."

ESM

The marked change in attitude, which Dijsselbloem agreed was a shift in strategy for EU policymakers, has consequences for how banks are recapitalised and for how financial markets react.

One of the major steps the euro zone has taken over the past three years has been to set up a rescue mechanism with guarantees and paid in capital totalling up to 700 billion euros - the European Stability Mechanism.

The expectation was that the ESM would be able to directly recapitalise euro zone banks that run into trouble from mid-2014, once the European Central Bank has full oversight of all the region's banks.

The goal of the ESM and direct recapitalisation was to break the so-called "doom loop" between indebted governments and their banking sectors. Now, Dijsselbloem says the aim is for the ESM never to have to be used.

"We should aim at a situation where we will never need to even consider direct recapitalisation," he said.

"If we have even more instruments in terms of bail-in and how far we can go on bail-in, the need for direct recap will become smaller and smaller.

"I think the approach needs to be, let's deal with the banks within the banks first, before looking at public money or any other instrument coming from the public side. Banks should basically be able to save themselves, or at least restructure or recapitalise themselves as far as possible."

Dijsselbloem, 46, who took over as Eurogroup president only in January, said he had discussed the new approach with financial market participants and said he expected that they would adjust to the new regime over time.

"Now we're going down the bail-in track and I'm pretty confident that the markets will see this as a sensible, very concentrated and direct approach instead of a more general approach," he said.

"It will force all financial institutions, as well as investors, to think about the risks they are taking on because they will now have to realise that it may also hurt them. The risks might come towards them."

Ma chi detiene contanti è un investitore? Semplicemente follia pura!
 
Oggi, come sappiamo ad Atene è Festa Nazionale, quindi la Borsa è chiusa.

Ma gli spread "non dormono". Dopo una bella discesa a seguito dell'accordo su Cipro, nel pomeriggio le spinte verso l'allargamento sono state di nuovo molto forti ... ora siamo a 1045 pb.

Il Club Med risente dei rumors di Moody's, accompagnato da dichiarazioni piuttosto "forti" di Dijesselbloem: il Portogallo a 473 pb. Spagna 360 pb. Italia 323 pb. (in mattinata aveva raggiunto i 304 pb.)

Il 2023 a Francoforte ritorna in calo, bid/ask 49,55 - 50,90. Sul MOT 50,06 - 50,07.
Idem per il 2041, a Francoforte bid/ask 37,75 - 38,95. Sul MOT 38,00 - 38,79.

Solita giornata di ordinaria follia sui GGB ... non ci si annoia :-o.
 
Ma questo è pazzo furioso :D

Neanche in cenciosi stati del sud america è concepibile un simile ragionamento....

A questo punto andrebbe bene anche la rapina a mano armata da parte delle forze dell'ordine all'uscita dalle poste.....
:clap:
 
Ma questo è pazzo furioso :D

Neanche in cenciosi stati del sud america è concepibile un simile ragionamento....

A questo punto andrebbe bene anche la rapina a mano armata da parte delle forze dell'ordine all'uscita dalle poste.....
:clap:

Concordo totalmente.

Se sono le istituzioni europee stesse a rubare e depredare i risparmiatori, come possono poi pretendere che venga rispettata la Legge ? Bah...

Bisogna trovare il sistema di far tornare sto pazzo da dove è venuto.
Azz, dopo che ha aperto la sua f.gna di bocca nel pomeriggio mi sono ritrovato con 15K in meno (nonostante sia riuscito a vendere stamattina sui massimi circa 150K tra Grecia e MPS...)
 

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