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amorgos34

CHIAGNI & FOTTI SRL
:up:
è quello che ho appena scritto stamane;
darebbe una finestra per uscire dalla grecia senza farsi troppo male;
ma a breve si ripresenterebbe lo stesso problema,
specie se le condizioni del nuovo accordo, decise dai vincitori (troika), saranno draconiane

Mi aspetto che se vincerà il sì, il "monarca benevolo" (Troika) verso i suoi sudditi che così sapientemente han votato (cacciando in un modo o nell'altro il ribelle Tsipras : i fantasmi non fan paura) sarà maggiormente comprensivo.

La Troika avrebbe tutto il vantaggio a far passare questo messaggio : "votate i partiti non anti-sistema, o fate i bravi al referendum come i greci, e saremo comprensivi".
 
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bosmeld

Forumer storico
Quando l 80 % dei greci vuole euro e tu crei un fallimento per avere dracme

scoppia la guerra civile nkn ci sono storie...

...occupano ke piazze e distruggono tutto cade il governo

Firmeranno tutto oer impedire il fallimento e la dracamizzazione



non scoppia la guerra civile in Angola dove i ricchi hanno tutti e la gente sta con un tozzo di pane...


non penso che i greci siano gente cosi belligerante francamente
 

gennaro pinto

VictoriaConcordiaCrescit
Greece: Poll shows 2 sides neck and neck before referendum - ASSOPR

03-Jul-2015 10:02:42

ATHENS, Greece

ATHENS, Greece (AP) — The brief but intense campaign in Greece's critical
bailout referendum ends Friday, with simultaneous rallies in Athens for "Yes"
and "No" supporters in what an opinion poll shows will be a very close race.

The poll published in To Ethnos newspaper showed the "Yes" campaign slightly in
the lead but well within the margin of error. It also showed an overwhelming
majority — 74 percent — want the country to remain in Europe's joint currency,
the euro, compared to 15 percent who want a national currency.

Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras called the referendum last weekend, asking Greeks
to decide whether they should accept creditor reform proposals in return for
vitally needed bailout funds. He is advocating a "No" vote on Sunday.

But those proposals are no longer on the table after negotiations with European
creditors broke down last weekend and Greece's bailout expired on Tuesday,
meaning the country no longer has access to the rescue loans.

The "Yes" campaign says the referendum is in fact a vote on whether Greece wants
to remain in the euro and in Europe. The government rejects this as
scaremongering, saying a "No" vote will put it in a better bargaining position
and will not lead Greece to leave the eurozone.

The survey conducted by ALCO found 41.5 percent will vote "Yes" on Sunday and
40.2 percent saying they will vote "No," with 10.9 percent undecided. The rest
said they would abstain or leave their ballots blank.

When discounting those who say they will case blank ballots or abstain, those
intending to vote "Yes" came to 44.8 percent compared to 43.4 percent who will
vote "No" and 11.8 percent undecided.

The survey interviewed 1,000 people nationwide on June 30-July 1 and has a
margin of error of 3.1 percent.

The referendum campaign will wrap up Friday evening with rallies by the two
sides, to be held 800 meters (875 yards) apart in central Athens. Tsipras is set
to speak at the "No" rally in the capital's main Syntagma Square outside
Parliament, while the "Yes" rally will be held at the nearby Panathenian
Stadium, where the first modern Olympics were held in 1894.

The vote is set to be one of the most important in Greece's modern history, but
many voters are confused about what's at stake. The government vehemently denies
a "No" vote would force the country out of the euro, but most opposition parties
and many European officials have said this could be the case.

"The referendum is unclear in the way it is being phrased, so I interpret this
ambiguity as meaning we might stay in Europe or not," said Apostolos Foutsitzis,
a 43-year-old medical scanner operator in the northern city of Thessaloniki. He
said he will vote "Yes" because he wants Greece to remain in Europe.

Much of the ambiguity arises from the complicated question that will be printed
on the ballot paper.

Greeks are being asked to reply to the following question:

"Must the agreement plan be accepted which was submitted by the European
Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund to the
Eurogroup of 25 June 2015 and is comprised of two parts which make up their
joint proposal?

"The first document is titled 'reforms for the completion of the current program
and beyond' and the second 'Preliminary debt sustainability analysis'."

Then voters are asked to tick either the "not approved/no" box, which is placed
above the "approved/yes" box.

The Council of State, the country's highest administrative court, is to rule
Friday on a motion brought by two private citizens asking the court to rule the
referendum illegal.

The vote comes after a week of bank closures, with Greeks restricted to daily
withdrawals of 60 euros ($67) — although in practice this has been reduced to 50
euros as most automatic teller machines have run out of 20 euro notes.

Some banks have been opened to allow pensioners without ATM cards withdraw a
maximum 120 euros for the week, with crowds of elderly people waiting outside
the doors for hours to get inside.

Capital controls were imposed on Monday to staunch the hemorrhaging of funds
from the country's lenders as worried Greeks rushed to ATM machines after
Tsipras' referendum announcement last weekend.

"Our efforts are focused on overcoming the crisis as fast as possible — with a
solution that preserves the dignity and sovereignty of our people," Tsipras said
Thursday.

The popular 40-year-old prime minister argues a strong "No" vote will help
Greece win a new deal with the eurozone's rescue mechanism that would include
terms to make the country's 320 billion euro national debt sustainable.

He insisted a deal could be struck "within 48 hours" of the vote.

His argument, however, was dismissed by the head of the eurozone finance
ministers' group, Dutch Finance Minister Jeroen Dijsselbloem.

"That suggestion is simply wrong," Dijsselbloem told lawmakers in the
Netherlands.

European officials and the Greek opposition have warned a "No" outcome Sunday
could be tantamount to a decision to leave the euro.

"The consequences are not the same if it's a 'Yes' or 'No,'" French President
Francois Hollande said.

"If it's the 'Yes,' even if it's on the basis of proposals that have already
expired, negotiations can resume and I imagine be quickly concluded," he said.
"We are in something of an unknown. It's up to the Greeks to respond."

___

Online: Official referendum website Greece Votes | Referendum 5 Of july 2015

____

Costas Kantouris and Derek Gatopoulos in Athens contributed to this report.

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NoWay

It's time to play the game
Allora figuriamoci i greci...


CRISI GRECIA: Ixè, 44% italiani la attribuisce a Bruxelles

ROMA (MF-DJ)--Gli italiani intervistati dall'Istituto demoscopico Ixè, in esclusiva per Agorà Estate, non hanno dubbi sulle responsabilità della crisi greca: ben il 44%, infatti, si dice convinto che le colpe siano da attribuirsi a Bruxelles. Giudica fallimentare l'operato di Atene, invece, il 38%. Alta la percentuale dei senza opinione, pari al 18%.

Superano di poco la metà (53%) gli italiani intervistati da Ixe' che temono conseguenze economiche per il nostro Paese dalla profonda crisi che attanaglia la Grecia. Il 44% si dice tranquillo mentre solo il 3 % non ha opinione.
 

tommy271

Forumer storico
Ev. Venizelos: Primo Ministro meteorologo distingue sputare pioggia?





Gravemente ha criticato il Primo Ministro esercita l'Ev. Venizelos con il suo articolo, accusando tra cui Al. Tsipras che ha diviso la società e che ha lasciato il paese a nudo. Per quanto riguarda il referendum, il signor Venizelos, accusa il primo ministro che "ha portato il Paese in un processo coercitivo istituzionale" per "questione principalmente finanziario, vale a dire numero costituzionalmente vietato mettere a referendum."

Come ha osservato il signor Venizelos. Tsipras 'diviso la società greca in tempo necessario unità nazionale e il consenso ", e" pretesa appare come un rappresentante di' No ', e potrebbe essere presunto rappresentante di tutta la nazione nella negoziazione con creditori e partner. "

(Naftemporiki)
 

ang41

belindo
Carissimo quei 40 mld non li paghi ne tu e nemmeno io. A scadenza i 40 mld che sono obbligazioni greche in mano all'ESM, girati alle banche greche per non fallire, verranno rimborsate all'Italia, con le emissioni di corrispondenti obbligazioni dell'ESM stesso. Ecco perché Padoan dice che il default della Grecia non implicherà alcuna perdita per l'Italia. Purtroppo il pattume mediatico diffonde notizie false di cui carissimo tu sei una delle vittime. Ti saluto.

Quindi anche se all'ESM mancheranno i 40MLD derivanti dal non rimborso EVENTUALE della Grecia, l'Italia avrà indietro tutto il suo malloppo perchè garantito dall ESM?

MI interessa molto questo passaggio :mmmm:
 

Llukas

Frangar non Flectar
una foto vale più di mille parole.

An elderly man cries outside a bank in Thessaloniki, #Greece. #photo by Sakis Mitrolidis
da france-press
 

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tommy271

Forumer storico
Qualcuno sa dirmi se la decisione sulla costituzionalità o meno del referendum viene data alle 12 italiane o greche ?

* Oggi alle 12:00 si dovrebbe decidere il Consiglio di Stato per la costituzionalità del referendum Domenica prossima

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Sono le ore 11 italiane ... si riuniscono per decidere.
Credo ci vorrà un pò di tempo ... poi la sentenza verrà subito emessa.
 

Nix

Noio volevàn savoir ...
Quindi anche se all'ESM mancheranno i 40MLD derivanti dal non rimborso EVENTUALE della Grecia, l'Italia avrà indietro tutto il suo malloppo perchè garantito dall ESM?

MI interessa molto questo passaggio :mmmm:

ahahahaha!!!! :lol::lol::lol:

di che ci stiamo a preoccupare allora....
 

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