ETC Natural Gas (69 lettori)

BroccoGas

Nuovo forumer
Benvenuto...

cerco di vedere il lato positivo..hai fatto 23000 euro di gain con lo short..
.e ti dimezza la perdita' attuale...

Quello si...ma passare da +23000 a -23000 e per giunta rimanendo incastrato non é piacevole...comunque non voglio piangerci sopra, ma cercare di limitare i danni. Ultima entrata con 100.000 pz a 0,122..quindi come vedi diventa complicato a sto punto anche mediare per abbassare il pmc....la mia speranza é che prima o poi si rompano il caxxo di spennare i long..e decidano di fare pelo e contropelo agli short....e magari lo faranno con lo stesso metodo di adesso e cioé andando ciclicamente controtendenza...magari aprile/maggio...almeno questa é la mia speranza...anche se notoriamente chi di speranza vive, disperato muore..:sad:
Certo che se si dovesse rigirare violentemente ed entrare in backwardstation...il lev recupererebbe in men che si dica il maltolto...anche se ci credo poco alla befana...abbattersi fa perdere solo luciditá....3 mesi voglio tener duro e poi faccio finta che me li sono sputtanati al casinó e pazienza...:wall:
 

gipango

Forumer storico
Quello si...ma passare da +23000 a -23000 e per giunta rimanendo incastrato non é piacevole...comunque non voglio piangerci sopra, ma cercare di limitare i danni. Ultima entrata con 100.000 pz a 0,122..quindi come vedi diventa complicato a sto punto anche mediare per abbassare il pmc....la mia speranza é che prima o poi si rompano il caxxo di spennare i long..e decidano di fare pelo e contropelo agli short....e magari lo faranno con lo stesso metodo di adesso e cioé andando ciclicamente controtendenza...magari aprile/maggio...almeno questa é la mia speranza...anche se notoriamente chi di speranza vive, disperato muore..:sad:
Certo che se si dovesse rigirare violentemente ed entrare in backwardstation...il lev recupererebbe in men che si dica il maltolto...anche se ci credo poco alla befana...abbattersi fa perdere solo luciditá....3 mesi voglio tener duro e poi faccio finta che me li sono sputtanati al casinó e pazienza...:wall:


La mia sensazione e' (ma forse sparo una cazzata ) che ci siano pochi short ,,e molti lev.....e dubito che ci siano molti che comprano shortgas a 220......quindi finche ' ce gente che continua a mediare o a comperare convinti in un rialzo improvviso dal 30 % ,,,loro se la ridono,,,,,,ma per logica ,,,PRIMA O POI ,,,,se vogliono ancora guadagnare devono per forza girare il giochino ,,,perche' se no si rompe,,,,
Il solo fatto che si sta ' propagando velocemente la voce che levgas è uno strumento mangiasoldi studiato per fottere gli investitori.....in un momento di crisi dovrebbe tenere alla larga un bel po di gente.....osservavo che tra le commodities ,,,,,,il levgas è al primo posto ,,,per perdita con il 74 % in un anno......Mi auguro che entro il 7 gennaio ci sia una svolta ,,,,,:bow:
 

furia3

Guest
rimbalza...
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mister gain

così non va' babbo natale
Un augurio di salute e serenita' a tutti voi per il 2012

A 3 di future ero convinto da sempre che avrei incrementato , per lo meno reinvestendo le quote che avevo liquidato in loss a 0,1030.

In questi gg ho cambiato parere dato il perdurare delle condizioni non favorevoli.

Avessero chiuso altri 20 rigs almeno e con previsioni meteo piu' rassicuranti l avrei fatto.

Tengo posizioni ferme e liquidita'.
Vedremo
magari a 2,85
 

NEO_99

Forumer storico
a NY spot sopra gli 11$
spot HH 2.96$

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Natural gas futures dropped below the key $3 psychological threshold for the first time in more than two years Friday, as the market looks set to close out one of its most bearish years yet.
Futures slid below $3 per million British thermal units shortly before 7 a.m. EST, as a sell-off that began Thursday continued overnight. The rout was fueled by two government reports showed gas-fired heating demand remains weak, while production continues to climb.
The slide below $3 marked first time the front-month contract dropped below that level since September 2009.
"Our production levels, our mild winter and the gas we have in storage have combined to crush natural gas prices this month," said Gene McGillian, analyst at Tradition Energy in Stamford, Conn.
Futures have since rebounded slightly, with front-month natural gas for February delivery recently trading 0.8 cent, or 0.3%, lower at $3.019 a million British thermal units on the New York Mercantile Exchange.
Still, many analysts widely believe a prolonged stay below $3 is a possibility in the near term, given the unusually mild winter that has settled over much of the country. More than half of U.S. homes use natural gas for heating, but the higher-than-usual temperatures have stalled the typical pick-up in gas-fired heating demand this winter. Prices have tumbled 23% since the start of November.
For the year, front-month futures are down 31%.
The market's weakness was underscored Thursday by a report from the Department of Energy showing U.S. inventories fell a mere 81 billion cubic feet last week. The figure was well below the five-year-average draw of 122 bcf and last year's drop of 143 bcf for that week, and even fell short of the average analyst estimate of an 89-bcf draw.
Later in the day, a separate DOE report showed natural gas production rose 1.4% to a record 71.3 bcf/day in October versus September, illustrating that production shows no signs of abating despite tepid demand.
A sustained period of prolonged temperatures is needed for gas futures to rally meaningfully, say many analysts. Still, many market participants are worried that prices could still head lower, with research firm Ritterbusch and Associates saying the next technical target for gas is $2.74.
Meanwhile, natural gas for next-day delivery at the benchmark Henry Hub in Louisiana recently traded at $2.945/MMBtu, according to IntercontinentalExchange, down from $3.025 on Thursday. Natural gas for next-day delivery at Transcontinental Zone 6 in New York traded at $11.75/MMBtu, down from Thursday's average of $3.6497.
 

NEO_99

Forumer storico
ti assicuro che non sono benestante...hai mai visto un operaio metalmeccanico benestante?:D

fidati c'è di peggio...per me un metalmeccanico è gia' un signore ;)

siamo un paese a futuro limitato..
hai sentito il Monti ? " ma nn state a guardare troppo lo spread "
gia.. intanto lo paghiamo noi :wall:
 

NEO_99

Forumer storico
Reuters) - A steep drop in natural gas prices is squeezing the profits of producers such as Southwestern Gas Corp , EXCO Resources and Quicksilver Resources , which may need to shut wells, raise cash, cut staff or seek merger partners in the coming year.
Spot natural gas futures dipped below $3.00 per million British Thermal units on Friday, the lowest level in more than two years, as a glut of gas from shale fields across the United States pushed inventory levels to historic highs.
Market forecasters expect prices to remain weak in 2012, after falling nearly 40 percent since June -- a boon to major users of the fuel, such as chemicals and industrial companies.
Large gas producers including Exxon Mobil Corp and Chevron Corp have the deep pockets to ride through the low prices, but many of their smaller competitors are likely to suffer as they are heavily reliant on dry gas.
Shares of Exco and Quicksilver have lost about half their value in the last six months, far worse than the 5.4 percent drop in the NYSE index of natural gas companies .
Southwestern's shares have fared better, since the company has hedged half its natural gas production by buying protection at around $5 gas. Still, the company's projections show that low natural gas prices will cut sharply into both profits and cash flow.
Typically, gas producers respond to price drops by reducing spending on new wells, shrinking the amount of gas that enters the market and helping to turn prices higher. But analysts say more drastic action may be needed in 2012, including well shut-downs, spending cuts or even employee layoffs, as well as asset sales or full mergers with stronger peers.
"They'll muck through a couple ugly months of bad spot pricing as long as they see some hope in the strip," said Dan Morrison, senior energy analyst at Global Hunter Securities, referring to NYMEX futures "strip" prices. "When the whole strip melts down, that's what really alters behavior."
Graphic: http://link.reuters.com/mup44s
Weak gas prices have sparked chatter some companies could seek mergers or sell off assets.
"On the transaction side, you've always got the opportunistic guys, saying oil is at a relatively high spot in the last couple of years, and gas is low, so I'm going to chase the gas right now," said David Knox, senior vice president for negotiated transactions at the Oil & Gas Asset Clearinghouse in Houston.
EXCO earlier this year explored a sale but found no suitable buyers. It has said it may raise funds by selling its gas processing assets.
The company may find a willing buyer in its joint venture partner BG Group Plc , according to Michael Hall, analyst at Baird Equity Research. The companies are currently partners in the Marcellus and Haynesville shales.
That may hinge on whether BG decides to pursue a vertical integration strategy to help fulfill the long-term gas export deals it recently signed with Cheniere Energy Inc , Hall said in a note to clients earlier this month.
GAS WINNERS
Shale fields, such as the Marcellus in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, the Haynesville in Louisiana, Fayetteville in Arkansas as well as new fields in Ohio and other states, have pushed average 2012 prices for natural gas futures on the NYMEX near $3.30 this week, well south of the $4 mark that gas producers often cite as the benchmark to deliver healthy industry returns.
Southwestern has said cash flow from operations in 2012 could fall more than 14 percent when calculated using a $3.50 gas price, compared with gas at $4.50 per Mcf. By the same measure, the company's net profit falls more than 20 percent with $3.50 gas.
Southwestern's output is 100 percent gas, EXCO's production is 98 percent gas and Quicksilver's production is 82 percent gas, according to data from Bernstein Research.
Projections that gas prices will stay low have helped many other industries that rely on gas to produce chemicals, fertilizer or electricity.
Steel maker Nucor Corp has cited low natural gas prices as a key driver behind its move to build a new steel plant in Louisiana, and electricity producers have announced plans to build dozens of new gas-fired power plants to replace aging coal-fired generators.
"We have already seen companies that are in the chemicals, steel and aluminum and fertilizer industries either plan for new facilities or to restart old facilities," said Paul Cicio, the president of the Industrial Energy Consumers of America, a lobby group in Washington.
Each $1 drop in natural gas prices cuts costs for Dow Chemical , DuPont and other U.S.-based chemical makers by a total of $3.7 billion annually, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.
For an industry that only five years ago saw little future in investing in U.S. operations, the new price paradigm is a game changer that the American Chemistry Council, an industry trade association, estimates will drive $25 billion in investments in new facilities.
 

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