Obbligazioni perpetue e subordinate SNS Reeal in diretta: storia di un esproprio - Notizie, informazioni e commenti

Quante SNS T1 + Lt2 Nominale Sub oggetto del furto avete in portafoglio

  • 10k

    Votes: 19 12,8%
  • 20k

    Votes: 8 5,4%
  • 30k

    Votes: 3 2,0%
  • 50k

    Votes: 39 26,2%
  • 75k

    Votes: 6 4,0%
  • 100k

    Votes: 18 12,1%
  • 150k

    Votes: 17 11,4%
  • 200k

    Votes: 13 8,7%
  • 300k

    Votes: 17 11,4%
  • 500k+

    Votes: 9 6,0%

  • Total voters
    149
The Association of Stockholders, the VEB can not formally initiate proceedings before the Enterprise Chamber to mismanagement detected in SNS. Such a procedure can only be filed by shareholders. But as Minister Dijsselbloem all shares expropriated, the members of the VEB no longer a shareholder of SNS. In a letter to Minister Dijsselbloem asks the VEB this' legal complication "to take away.

The VEB wants the Enterprise investigates whether there was mismanagement, then through the civil courts to claim compensation from the former directors of SNS. The VEB calls it an "undesirable and probably do not provide effect" of the Intervention that misled investors could submit any request for an inquiry into possible mismanagement at SNS. The VEB asks the minister to appoint proxies to still be able to litigate.
 
Mi sembra che questa storiaccia a 2 giorni dal suo epilogo non abbia inciso più di tanto su nulla.
Leggendo in questo e altri forum la gente continua a comprare o al massimo aspetta uno storno per entrare .
Le altre banche olandesi non si scompongono più di tanto e anzi ringraziano il governo.(malgrado la cifra che dovranno sborsare)
Le agenzie di rating mantengono la tripla A a uno stato che per garantire la sopravvivenza di un istituto gestito da balordi preferisce rubare , nella notte, soldi a gente che i soldi se li è guadagnati.
La stampa non menziona neanche l'accaduto.
Non so se il mio è un ragionamento solo pessimista o sono ,per ovvi motivi ,un po depresso ma la situazione mi sembra molto compromessa.
 
La stampa non menziona neanche l'accaduto.
Non so se il mio è un ragionamento solo pessimista o sono ,per ovvi motivi ,un po depresso ma la situazione mi sembra molto compromessa.

siamo 4 gatti in italia, chi vuoi che ne parli??

in olanda ne parlano eccome, ho visto interviste di gente rovinata da questa storia

PS: per quanto mi riguarda mai più investimenti a rischio in paesi dove non conosco la lingua!
 
qualcuno riesce a capirci qualcosa???

E' la lettera inviata oggi dal VEB al matto

http://content1c.omroep.nl/f0c4bd7f...0ffd06/nos/docs/040213_brief_dijsselbloem.pdf

Association VEB / 1/CVB

 
PO Box 240, 2501 CE The Hague
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+31 (0) 703130000
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VEB | vereniging van effectenbezitters [email protected]
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Mr. J. M. Slagter, director Association VEB NCVB




Ministry of Finance
Minister of Finance
The weledelgestrenge Mr. J.R.V.A. Dijsselbloem
PO Box 20201
2500 EE HAGUE






The Hague, February 4, 2013






Excellency,


This letter I write to you in my capacity as director of the VEB NCVB r'VEB "), with approximately 48,000 members the largest association of (private) Dutch investors. According to its statutes, the VEB represents the interests of investors in the aile broadest sense, including in particular those of its members, including the conduct of legal proceedings. Among our! oaths are a large number of former holders of shares, whey subordinated bonds of SNS REAAL NV and SNS Bank NV.

I refer to your decision dated 1 February this year to expropriation of securities and assets SNS REAAL NV and SNS Bank NV ("the Decision"), your letter to the House on the subject of the same date, the letter from the board of dr January Sijbrand DNB a an you dated 24 January last, and to statements about the nationalization of SNS yourself in the TV program Buitenhof last Sunday and the Prime Minister during his weekly press conference last Friday.

The VEB is examining the legality, effectiveness and proportionality of the Decree. Possible leads one and another to initiate one or several legal proceedings. That is what this letter is not.

The VEB is also investigating the possibility of an inquiry procedure with the Enterprise Chamber of the Amsterdam Court to possible mismanagement at SNS REAAL NV in the period since the IPO in 2006 until last Friday. The situation such as that outlined in the letter of Mr. Sijbrand and in your aforementioned letter to the Lower House offers to our eyes sufficient "reasons to doubt a correct policy" - the criterion that the law allows for assigning a poll request . The Prime Minister took already unmistakable advance on the outcome of such an investigation by speaking of "mismanagement" at SNS REAAL NV.










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In Buitenhof let you know also need for an investigation into the affairs of SNS Rea aI NV. Several MPs also called on all to such an investigation. The judgment uwanbeleid "of the Enterprise, supported by an independent and authoritative research, the basis for compensation proceedings against (former) directors and commissioners we understand also an object of you and several MPs.

As you may know, the VEB has extensive experience with this remedy. I refer to the successful survey requests on the demise of Fortis, the Ahold accounting fraud and bankruptcy of Landis.

A legal complication where the VEB with other former shareholders of SNS Rea aI NV encounter is the fact that by the Decree no shareholder anymore. By strict interpretation of the law (which interpretation we would fight) would
Enterprise Chamber took the view argue that former shareholders Ionger not receptive to a survey request. Outside the company itself, the Advocate General at the Amsterdam Court and the workers' organizations would aileen current shareholder may have this right.

This is according to the VEB an undesirable and probably not expected effect of the lnterventiewet and the Decision. It is not socially desirable that misled investors no poll request to possible mismanagement at SNS REAAL NV could submit.

I would like therefore to consult with you about the manner in which a poll request to the Enterprise Chamber on the affairs of SNS ReaaI NV form could get. It is conceivable that the company SNS REAAL NV instructs the VEB has the contractual right to give a survey request to based on art. 2:346 c BW. You can also VEB give a proxy to make such a request.

Like to hear from you as soon as possible. I hold myself available for consultation at any time and any place you come.

Sincerely,
 
ni dipende dalla legislazione del prospetto

johnny sai meglio di me che ad oggi questo in italia, ma anche in spagna o in francia non sarebbe MAI potuto succedere, per ragioni politiche e sociali prima che di prospetto!

ma tu ti immagini veramente cosa succederebbe se in italia espropriassero le LT2 montepaschi?? prova solo ad immaginare.. sai bene che non sarebbe possibile anche con la legge dalla parte del ministro dell'economia!

il risparmio è sacro, hanno permesso parmalat è vero, ma non è immaginabile che una LT2 bancaria italiana sia espropriata durante la notte per ragioni di pubblica utilità...

e comunque il ricorso me lo facevo a casa mia, non in olanda dove onestamente siamo tutti perduti!

PS: questi con i prospetti ci si sono puliti!
 
cari compagni di sventura, oggi ho telefonato alla banca (banca normale non on line) e dopo 1 ora sono passato a ritirare una attestazione, di cui domani faccio la data certa, dei titoli sns presenti in pf . considerando tutte le beghe che state avendo per avere una semplice dichiarazione dalle varie Binck, IW e via dicendo,sapete che vi dico: domani faccio richiesta di trasferimento dei titoli sia di IW che da Binck , sposto la liquidità e chiudo anche il conto arancio (gli olandesi da me non devono guadagnare più un centesimo)
anche se ho amici/conoscenti in Olanda, gli olandesi mi sono diventati antipatici :ciao:
 

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