ferdo
Utente Senior
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Obbligazioni perpetue e subordinate SNS Reeal in diretta: storia di un esproprio - Notizie, informazioni e commenti (13 lettori)
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fenox
Forumer storico
l'ho già scritto, personalmente credo che se ci sarà una soluzione ci sarà per tutti l'ipotesi di una transazione coi soli ricorrenti la vedo molto debole
Yunus80
Del PIG non si butta nulla
In realtà è qualcosa che si fa molto spesso: si offre un accordo stragiudiziale alla controparte, per non dover arrivare ad una sentenza che potrebbe essere sfavorevole.
wartburg_12
forumer storico
Questa sarebbe per il link dove inserire i quantitativi?
Non ho ricevuto nulla.
Magari vengono spediti in ordine di arrivo (First In - First Out) oppure in ordine alfabetico (magari a Mario Z. arrivano dopo tutti gli altri )
Io aspetterei fiducioso !!!
(p.s. per capirci : questa pare essere la COPIA dei dati che noi abbiamo GIA' inserito qui :
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1rpkM1_22JVXSgEUfmGKivAMQMgEBxSEqihaWOs9oQfU/viewform )
Da pulire per scopa-Aquila
p.s. hai ragione reef, però pazienza le battute (mea culpa) ma credo che chi ha dei dubbi possa chiedere e altri rispondere ... capisco poi la rottura per Voi di fare la pulizia ogni tanto ... abbiate pazienza !!!
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reef
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Magari vengono spediti in ordine di arrivo (First In - First Out) oppure in ordine alfabetico (magari a Mario Z. arrivano dopo tutti gli altri )
Io aspetterei fiducioso !!!
(p.s. per capirci : questa pare essere la COPIA dei dati che noi abbiamo GIA' inserito qui :
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1rpkM1_22JVXSgEUfmGKivAMQMgEBxSEqihaWOs9oQfU/viewform )
Dalla regia dicono che sono partite tutte quelle inserite fino a un'ora fa. Chi non l'ha ricevuta MP a Zorba con nickname e indirizzo mail corretto...
fenox
Forumer storico
nel diritto privato certamente, in questo tipo di rapporti con enne controparti in realtà quasi mai o per casi specificcissimi nei quali non mi pare rientri SNS. Qui si gioca tutto sulla legittimità dell'esproprio che essendo una fattispecie comune e fondante di tutti i detentori dei titoli interessati non può che produrre effetti erga omnes. Se la Corte Olandese sarà terza (fatto non scontato) la procedura posta in atto non ha chance di essere mantenuta così come realizzata, ma dovremo vedere cosa accade. Poi ci sarà da vedere cosa dirà l'Europa e la CGE.
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ferdo
Utente Senior
chiarito,
per chi ha ricevuto questo msg, sappiate che la pec ha ricevuto la mail, solo che invia un messaggio di anomalia - ma in realtà la ricezione è andata a buon fine
bluto
Forumer attivo
per quanto riguarda l'opposizione all'esproprio ti do ragione, vale erga omnes.
per quanto riguarda l'opposizione all'indennizzo invece dato che a mio avviso alla fine si opporranno pochi milioni di nominale un accordo è possibilissimo.
Zeus
Forumer attivo
Hofatto come mi hai detto, ma mi è giunto l'OK per il vecchio form e non per il nuovo corretto .
Ho inviato anche mail di risposta al mittente, ma non mi è giunta nessuna nuova comunicazione. MI DEVO PREOCCUPARE ????
Ansioso .
bluto
Forumer attivo
Thursday, February 7, 2013 3:47 p.m.
AMSTERDAM (Dow Jones) - The Dutch government wants the nationalized bank and insurer SNS (SR.AE) as soon as possible to get rid of, possibly in parts, and must now ensure that the bank remains competitive with ABN Amro, which is also capable hands.
"I collect no banks," said Minister of Finance Jeroen Dijsselbloem Tuesday during a debate on the nationalization of the House. He said as soon as possible as much as possible to recover the billions that the government sticks SNS to the company healthy. "That can go into parts."
Hard at a sale in parts that SNS still have a hidden debt should pay off, about as large as the current market value of the insurance. Through this double leverage could SNS Bank, which struggled with billion losses on its real estate loans, not from the fire are helped by a sale of the insurance Reaal. Together with the strong interwoven nature of the various components eventually forced the government to take over the whole group.
The internal funding problem is not yet solved, recognized Dijsselbloem. "Reducing double leverage is very long. It consumes just capital gain in the company."
With nationalization, the State owns now not only two of the four largest banks in the Netherlands, but also two of the six largest insurers: ASR and Reaal .
A merger of insurers is clearly an option for the government. That plan already passed in review in talks with private parties, prior to the nationalization. Such a merger may be launched to further consolidation of the insurance sector, regulators find desirable, since the profitability of the sector decreases. Other major players that play a role are Nationale-Nederlanden (INGA.AE), Aegon (AGN.AE), Delta Lloyd (DL.AE) and unlisted Achmea.
For the banking sector, the opposite is true. ABN Amro, which since 2008 in state hands, and SNS Bank should continue to compete with each other properly. Otherwise, the choice is very sparse, with only other ING and Rabobank as large retail banks. Competition Authority NMa therefore demands guarantees from the Minister that competitively sensitive information separately will continue, now ABN Amro and SNS together in state ownership, told Dijsselbloem Wednesday to the House.
A balancing of the various strategic options for ABN Amro will Dijsselbloem 'for summer' to the Lower House. Options to treat an IPO, sale to institutional investors, maintaining state-owned and other variants.
A similar assessment can be made also for SNS, the minister said that his preference let on for a quick sale. "My intention is to SNS as soon as possible to get rid of. The portfolio is really too heavy."
Although the double leverage is not as fast as it can be waived if the Minister that this year clearly how the other Dutch financial settings can be safely dismantled at imminent bankruptcy, without disrupting the financial system. Therefore, the institutions called resolution plans. "Here we go pace with it," said the minister.
A significant part of the debate, which went on until after midnight, devoted to the MPs on the remuneration of the new CEO of SNS (SR.AE), Gerard van Olphen derived Achmea.
Dijsselbloem defended his annual salary of EUR550.000, because it corresponds to the level of remuneration elsewhere in the financial industry. The maximum applicable to salaries in the public sector - the Balkenende norm - does not apply to government participation in the commercial operations, he said.
"A bank is not public and that it is not," said Dijsselbloem at this point very critical parliament. "I have great confidence in Mr Van Olphen. I want a lot of EUR3, 7000000000 recover and I want to have someone who I know who can."
The minister acknowledged that he salaries in the banking still too high "in general."
AMSTERDAM (Dow Jones) - The Dutch government wants the nationalized bank and insurer SNS (SR.AE) as soon as possible to get rid of, possibly in parts, and must now ensure that the bank remains competitive with ABN Amro, which is also capable hands.
"I collect no banks," said Minister of Finance Jeroen Dijsselbloem Tuesday during a debate on the nationalization of the House. He said as soon as possible as much as possible to recover the billions that the government sticks SNS to the company healthy. "That can go into parts."
Hard at a sale in parts that SNS still have a hidden debt should pay off, about as large as the current market value of the insurance. Through this double leverage could SNS Bank, which struggled with billion losses on its real estate loans, not from the fire are helped by a sale of the insurance Reaal. Together with the strong interwoven nature of the various components eventually forced the government to take over the whole group.
The internal funding problem is not yet solved, recognized Dijsselbloem. "Reducing double leverage is very long. It consumes just capital gain in the company."
With nationalization, the State owns now not only two of the four largest banks in the Netherlands, but also two of the six largest insurers: ASR and Reaal .
A merger of insurers is clearly an option for the government. That plan already passed in review in talks with private parties, prior to the nationalization. Such a merger may be launched to further consolidation of the insurance sector, regulators find desirable, since the profitability of the sector decreases. Other major players that play a role are Nationale-Nederlanden (INGA.AE), Aegon (AGN.AE), Delta Lloyd (DL.AE) and unlisted Achmea.
For the banking sector, the opposite is true. ABN Amro, which since 2008 in state hands, and SNS Bank should continue to compete with each other properly. Otherwise, the choice is very sparse, with only other ING and Rabobank as large retail banks. Competition Authority NMa therefore demands guarantees from the Minister that competitively sensitive information separately will continue, now ABN Amro and SNS together in state ownership, told Dijsselbloem Wednesday to the House.
A balancing of the various strategic options for ABN Amro will Dijsselbloem 'for summer' to the Lower House. Options to treat an IPO, sale to institutional investors, maintaining state-owned and other variants.
A similar assessment can be made also for SNS, the minister said that his preference let on for a quick sale. "My intention is to SNS as soon as possible to get rid of. The portfolio is really too heavy."
Although the double leverage is not as fast as it can be waived if the Minister that this year clearly how the other Dutch financial settings can be safely dismantled at imminent bankruptcy, without disrupting the financial system. Therefore, the institutions called resolution plans. "Here we go pace with it," said the minister.
A significant part of the debate, which went on until after midnight, devoted to the MPs on the remuneration of the new CEO of SNS (SR.AE), Gerard van Olphen derived Achmea.
Dijsselbloem defended his annual salary of EUR550.000, because it corresponds to the level of remuneration elsewhere in the financial industry. The maximum applicable to salaries in the public sector - the Balkenende norm - does not apply to government participation in the commercial operations, he said.
"A bank is not public and that it is not," said Dijsselbloem at this point very critical parliament. "I have great confidence in Mr Van Olphen. I want a lot of EUR3, 7000000000 recover and I want to have someone who I know who can."
The minister acknowledged that he salaries in the banking still too high "in general."