Obbligazioni perpetue e subordinate SNS Reeal in diretta: storia di un esproprio - Notizie, informazioni e commenti

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Buona sera a tutti...

In caso di esproprio per pubblica utilità, per lo meno nel diritto italiano (vedi costituzione art. 42) DEVE essere corrisposto un indennizzo!

Ora, non credo che su questo la legislazione olandese sia molto differente

Il punto è se per colpa di quel delinquente lo stato ti dice: io ti esproprio qualcosa di tuo ma è per il bene comunque e comunque avresti preso 0.

questo sono sicuro è il punto cardine: come possono loro stabilire il futuro? como possono dire il tuo bene vale 0??? Ma neanche 1 o 5...

azioni legali fatte in olanda verteranno su questo punto... non c'è dubbio!

oltre ovviamente alla mancanza di controlli da parte di quei principianti alla banca d'olanda che hanno lasciato pagare la cedola poche settimane fa e richiamato i certificati!

SNS comunque ha fino all'ultimo tentato di salvare il salvabile (questo gliene va dato atto) e sicuramente si sarebbe potuta trovare, è stato LUI a volere la soluzione drastica per imporre il rigore ...

Inutile dire che per molti investitori la carta sub europea varrà pochissimo da ora in poi.

La cosa bella(o brutta) è che loro dicono che la banca falliva e tu prendevi 0.Intanto falla fallire e poi vediamo.Qui salvano chi volgliono e rubano agli altri.Questo è un furto non è una perdita .
Se mi fanno un'offerta e mi dicono,ti offro 50 ,se poi la cosaa non và in porto prendi 0,allora è una mia scelta e rischio.Ma se dal giorno alla notte mi espropiano i titoli per me è un furto
 
BCE lesti nel rispondermi ma senza contenuto:
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Dear Mr xxxxx,

Please note that the decisions you are referring to fall within the competence of national authorities. The European Central Bank’s views on financial stability issues in general are well known. On the ECB’s website you will find speeches and other documents explaining these views, but obviously the ECB does not comment on individual financial institutions.

Kind regards,

EUROPEAN CENTRAL BANK
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la BCE non ha alcuna colpa, è sotto la responsabilità nazionale olandese
altra follia di questo euro, una monete TANTE, TROPPE teste
 
La cosa bella(o brutta) è che loro dicono che la banca falliva e tu prendevi 0.Intanto falla fallire e poi vediamo.Qui salvano chi volgliono e rubano agli altri.Questo è un furto non è una perdita .
Se mi fanno un'offerta e mi dicono,ti offro 50 ,se poi la cosaa non và in porto prendi 0,allora è una mia scelta e rischio.Ma se dal giorno alla notte mi espropiano i titoli per me è un furto

questo sarà il cardine del ricorso infatti
 
Dal sito della VEB tadotto con Google

A bancassurer goes public and six years later the owners expropriated. That calls for a large-scale study on the stock market failed adventure and questionable outcome. The VEB examines the legal possibilities.

How did it come with SNS? And was nationalization whereby shareholders and subordinated bondholders their entire interests saw evaporate really the best way?

These are the main questions that the VEB on behalf of investors to get an answer.

The association investigates take all legal options, such as a corridor to the Enterprise or appeal against nationalization.

Occasion
New information on SNS raises doubts about previous statements of the group and its auditor KPMG.

The VEB wonders whether SNS - approved by KPMG - in the past deliberately tried to hurt the future to advance, hoping that future profits would be sufficient to compensate for the impairments.

Sijbrand director Jan De Nederlandsche Bank said that already the end of 2011 it was clear that SNS "no longer able could be deemed to own its financial position sufficiently up to standard."

This is in sharp contrast with statements of SNS during the meeting with shareholders in the spring of 2012. The problems in the real estate branch were then by SNS directors and auditors KPMG as much smaller than suggested now comes out.

This cries out for explanation under oath of stakeholders.

Expropriation
And then there is the expropriation by the State. Shareholders and subordinated bondholders get nothing back, an unprecedented measure, made possible by a two year old law.

Minister Dijsselbloem on the decision to

The nationalization of SNS was the Minister of Finance unavoidable and necessary to depositors and the financial system rescue.

But how necessary was the expropriation anyway?
The problems at SNS were highly concentrated in the real estate stuck Property Finance. Insured through SNS (Reaal, Axa) had little to fear. Their policies are well protected.

And SNS Bank could in principle continue running as long as depositors their deposits are not massively took away. DNB speaks of an exodus of savings, but that seems very modest compared to the massive savings that the bank had been entrusted.


More about SNS
Really acute concerns about the availability of money - liquidity - are therefore relative. When SNS play especially problems with solvency, so ask whether SNS his financial obligations. Justifies expropriation of the whole group including all healthy parts?

Taxpayers
Minister Dijsselbloem in the notes to its decision made it clear that there is a focus on a solution that will hit taxpayers as little as possible.

The question is whether the expropriation before the correct route. The State wants the billions involved in the rescue (partly) back by pieces of SNS in time back to the market.

Will investors and other market participants in the future to pay for many companies that just may be expropriated?
 
questo sarà il cardine del ricorso infatti

Questa storia ha solo un precedente Lehman,ma li la banca è fallita sul serio.

Qui no,si salvano tutti tranne quei poveri pirla dei subordinati(nemmeno fossimo dei banditi,ma dei creditori).

Ripeto io mi sento come se avessi subito un Furto,non come se avessi subito un Loss
 
Ci sono anch'io! Credo sia necessario trovare un avvocato presso la sede degli investitori o consumatori Olandesi! Oggi è veramente stata una catastrofe per me!:wall::sad:
 
non so come fate a postare prezzi, a stare dietro emittenti, per me con la vicenda sns il debito subordinato ha varcato il limite dell'opportunità per addentrarsi nei territori dell'incoscienza
 
Come vedete le senior sns, ad esempio la 2035? Credete possano avere un'accelerata nei prossimi giorni?

P.S. Comunque d'ora in poi argentini e greci dovranno essere considerati dei signori rispetto agli olandesi...
 
Ultima modifica:
A bancassurer goes public and six years later the owners expropriated. That calls for a large-scale study on the stock market failed adventure and questionable outcome. The VEB examines the legal possibilities.

How did it come with SNS? And was nationalization whereby shareholders and subordinated bondholders their entire interests saw evaporate really the best way?

These are the main questions that the VEB on behalf of investors to get an answer.

The association investigates take all legal options, such as a corridor to the Enterprise or appeal against nationalization.

Occasion
New information on SNS raises doubts about previous statements of the group and its auditor KPMG.

The VEB wonders whether SNS - approved by KPMG - in the past deliberately tried to hurt the future to advance, hoping that future profits would be sufficient to compensate for the impairments.

Sijbrand director Jan De Nederlandsche Bank said that already the end of 2011 it was clear that SNS "no longer able could be deemed to own its financial position sufficiently up to standard."

This is in sharp contrast with statements of SNS during the meeting with shareholders in the spring of 2012. The problems in the real estate branch were then by SNS directors and auditors KPMG as much smaller than suggested now comes out.

This cries out for explanation under oath of stakeholders.

Expropriation
And then there is the expropriation by the State. Shareholders and subordinated bondholders get nothing back, an unprecedented measure, made possible by a two year old law.

Minister Dijsselbloem on the decision to

The nationalization of SNS was the Minister of Finance unavoidable and necessary to depositors and the financial system rescue.

But how necessary was the expropriation anyway?
The problems at SNS were highly concentrated in the real estate stuck Property Finance. Insured through SNS (Reaal, Axa) had little to fear. Their policies are well protected.

And SNS Bank could in principle continue running as long as depositors their deposits are not massively took away. DNB speaks of an exodus of savings, but that seems very modest compared to the massive savings that the bank had been entrusted.


More about SNS
Really acute concerns about the availability of money - liquidity - are therefore relative. When SNS play especially problems with solvency, so ask whether SNS his financial obligations. Justifies expropriation of the whole group including all healthy parts?

Taxpayers
Minister Dijsselbloem in the notes to its decision made it clear that there is a focus on a solution that will hit taxpayers as little as possible.

The question is whether the expropriation before the correct route. The State wants the billions involved in the rescue (partly) back by pieces of SNS in time back to the market.

Will investors and other market participants in the future to pay for many companies that just may be expropriated?

Finalmente qlc che ragiona,qui cè del Losco.Banca D'Olanda e KPMg in Primis,ma è pazzesco spazzare via tutto di un gruppo in cui Ass e Banca sono profittevoli.
 

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