Obbligazioni perpetue e subordinate SNS Reeal in diretta: storia di un esproprio - Notizie, informazioni e commenti

Quante SNS T1 + Lt2 Nominale Sub oggetto del furto avete in portafoglio

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    Votes: 9 6,0%

  • Total voters
    149
Ecco la riposta pervenutami da ADUC ADUC - Investire

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Gentile xxx,[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]E' naturalmente impossibile per un singolo investitore presentare ricorso al Consiglio di Stato olandese, e perfino entro dieci giorni dal 1 febbraio, come anche per noi è impossibile anche solo ipotizzare di poterlo assistere in questi termini. Simili azioni sono condotte da investitori istituzionali che hanno i mezzi economici ed organizzativi per poterle condurre, e di sicuro ci saranno fondi comuni, e soprattutto studi legali internazionali, che lavoreranno alacremente in questi dieci giorni per presentare opposizione. Da questo punto di vista, quindi, si può stare tranquilli.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Di sicuro, quello che è successo oggi 1 febbraio ha dell'eccezionale: il governo olandese ha deciso di nazionalizzare Sns Bank ma anche di espropriare senza alcun corrispettivo le azioni (e passi, perché tanto il capitale sarebbe stato ugualmente azzerato) ma anche tutto il debito non "senior", quindi pure le obbligazioni subordinate.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Si apre, quindi, una nuova vicenda "molto poco simpatica" che stiamo seguendo sin da questa mattina non appena è apparso il comunicato del governo e dove non mancheremo di informare ed assistere tutti gli interessati.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Cordiali saluti.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]ADUC[/FONT]

ma se ti hanno già risposto che non possono fare NULLA
 
quella volentieri, però se dice che un'offerta è possibile penso a qualcosa nell'ordine di qualche unità, le cifre in ballo sui subordinati non sono abnormi

da lui mi aspetto 4 spicci

posso solo sperare nello stato di diritto che è stato violentato e quindi nell'intervento quantiificativo dei giudici
 
Bonds Seized
The decree published by the Dutch Ministry of Finance didn’t set out what would happen to junior bond trades executed in the three days running up to the expropriation. Bond trades typically settle three days after they’re agreed.
“I suspect the buyer of a bond yesterday won’t pay because he’s not delivered the securities,” said Bill Blain, a London- based strategist at brokerage Mint Partners Ltd.

c'è anche questa faccenda da chiarire
 
Bisognerebbe che qualcuno con un ottimo inglese finanziario scrivesse a VEB VEB | vereniging van effectenbezitters - VEB wil onderzoek naar zes jaar beursfonds SNS Reaal én nationalisatie
per capire che intenzioni hanno e farsi portatore di una possibile istanza di bondisti privati per molti milioni di nominale.
Chi si fa sotto? Io ho un inglese troppo approssimativo...


Ho guardato il loro sito basta associarsi e pagare la quota di circa 70 euro e puoi partecipare alle "class action" azioni collettive. vi riporto la traduzione sui vantaggi della membership.
Se e' troppo difficile scrivere una lettera, forse uno di noi con inglese decente puo' telefonare e avere informazioni se possiamo associarci in una azione collettiva




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The benefits of membership in a row:
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Free-the largest independent investment magazine Impact.
-Deelname aan collectieve acties​
-Participation in collective action

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Ho guardato il loro sito basta associarsi e pagare la quota di circa 70 euro e puoi partecipare alle "class action" azioni collettive. vi riporto la traduzione sui vantaggi della membership.
Se e' troppo difficile scrivere una lettera, forse uno di noi con inglese decente puo' telefonare e avere informazioni se possiamo associarci in una azione collettiva




What does the membership?

De voordelen van het lidmaatschap op een rij:​

The benefits of membership in a row:

-Gratis het grootste onafhankelijke beleggingsmagazine Effect .​

Free-the largest independent investment magazine Impact.

-Deelname aan collectieve acties​

-Participation in collective action

-E-mailservice, het meest actuele VEB-nieuws​

E-mail service, the latest news VEB

-Beleggersservice, telefonische spreekuur voor vragen en klachten.​

-Investors Service, telephone consultation for questions and complaints.

-Aantrekkelijke kortingen!​

-Attractive discounts!

-VEB jaarboek Beleggingstips​

VEB-yearbook Investment Tips

da quel che capisco non sono ancora sicuri di agire

comunque leggendo quel sito c'è da capire perché gli olandesi erano cagasotto, loro già parlavano dell'applicazione dell'intervention act, lo davano per stra-possibile

non c'abbiamo capito una ceppa
 


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Already 88 years (since 1924) represents the shareholders association VEB the interests of investors.
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The VEB now has more than 48,000 members, including both private and institutional investors.
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The VEB has a team of experts that is constantly committed to the interests of investors.
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Belangenbehartiging vindt in belangrijke mate plaats tijdens de meer dan 150 aandeelhoudersvergaderingen die jaarlijks worden bijgewoond.​
Advocacy takes place largely during the more than 150 shareholders meetings which are attended annually.
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These meetings are attended by both the employees of the VEB as a team of conference visitors.
In deze vergaderingen richt de VEB zich op het aandeelhoudersbelang, waarbij onderwerpen als dividendbeleid, acquisities, vermogenspositie en corporate governance extra aandacht krijgen.​
These meetings focused VEB on the shareholdings, issues such as dividend policy, acquisitions, equity and corporate governance extra attention.

De aandeelhoudersvergaderingen vormen het forum waar de VEB namens haar leden op constructieve wijze kritisch met de ondernemingsleiding communiceert en de aandeelhoudersbelangen voor het voetlicht brengt.​
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The activities of the VEB show time and again that the use of the voting rights attached to shares, is of great importance.
De VEB streeft er dan ook naar zich actiever op te stellen op dit gebied.​
The VEB therefore also seeks to engage more actively to draw in this area.
Als aandeelhouder heeft u stemrecht .​
As a shareholder, you have the right to vote .
De VEB kan namens u stemmen, zodat u voortaan op alle belangrijke aandeelhoudersvergaderingen vertegenwoordigd bent.​
The VEB can vote on your behalf, so you will at all important meetings of shareholders are represented.

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In some cases action is the VEB (legal) actions to protect the interests of the investors' interests.
Spraakmakend zijn de procedures tegen ABN Amro, Fortis, World Online, Ahold, KPNQwest, Laurus en Unilever.​
Newsmakers The proceedings against ABN AMRO, Fortis, World Online, Ahold, KPNQwest, Laurus and Unilever.
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More information can be found in actions on our website.

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Naast belangenbehartiging doet de VEB er alles aan om beleggers zo goed mogelijk te informeren over actuele ontwikkelingen uit de financiële wereld.​
Besides advocacy, the VEB everything to investors as well as possible about current developments in the financial world.
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This site plays a central role.
Evenals het beleggingsblad Effect dat VEB leden twaalf keer per jaar ontvangen.​
As the investment magazine Effect VEB members that twelve times per year.

In Effect komen onder meer aan bod: fusies en overnames, interviews met topondernemers, sectoranalyses, beleggingsadviezen en technische analyse van experts.​
In effect are partly addressed: mergers and acquisitions, interviews with top entrepreneurs, industry analysis, investment advisory and technical analysis experts.
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The independent views of the VEB on current developments, information on VEB actions and reports of meetings of shareholders emphasize the character of VEB-Effect.

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Members of the VEB with their questions, comments and complaints in the field of investing contact our Investor Service , on Mondays and Thursdays from 10:00 to 13:00 hours reached by telephone.

Beleggerscongres 'Dag van de Belegger'
Investors Congress 'Investor Day'
De VEB organiseert ieder jaar het congres de Dag van de Belegger.​
The VEB organizes every year the Congress of the Investor Day.
Het congres wordt door meer dan 7000 geïnteresseerde beleggers bezocht.​
The conference is over 7,000 interested investors visited.
De organisatie twijfelt er niet aan dat het congres ook dit jaar een groot succes zal worden.​
The organization has no doubt that the conference this year will be a great success.
Het congres biedt ondernemingen een goede gelegenheid om door middel van een stand en/of een bedrijfspresentatie te presenteren aan een grote groep beleggers en deze te informeren over de producten, activiteiten, strategie en resultaten.​
The conference offers companies an opportunity to by a state and / or a business presentation to present to a large group of investors and to inform them about the products, activities, strategy and results. Look at www.dagvandebelegger.nl
 

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