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drbs315

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Questa dovrebbe essere senior non LT2. Sai il denaro lettera OTC?

Il bid/ask otc non lo conosco, la monitoro solo dai siti tedeschi, cmq adesso che ho ricontrollato il file effettivamente sulla seniority avevo messo un punto interrogativo - davo per scontato fosse una lt2 ma la struttura è effettivamente quella di una senior, grazie della correzione :up:
 

fabriziof

Forumer storico
Mi permetto di aggiungere anch'io un pò di monnezza lt2, rigorosamente greco-portoghese, ottimi rendimenti - altro che 11 lordo, se poi arrivano è un altro discorso :lol:

XS0284930889 Alpha Bk
XS0261785504 Piraeus Bk
XS0278435226 Bcp
XS0438753294 Nbog (questa in realtà rende pochino)

Avevo sott'occhio anche qualche spagnola molto distressed ma non riesco più a trovarle...


ciliegina finale :efg hellas XS0302804744
 

fidw99

100% perpetual
ma dove trovi questa quotazione io con www.brokerjeet.at mi da 89 a parte questo mi puoi dire cedola e se ha qualche subordine particolare , sono liquido e sto' cercando opportunita', ringrazio :bow::bow::bow:

prezzi otc

siccome è scesa molto non tutti broker si sono adeguati, oggi alcuni esponevano tra 81 e 83 e altri erano ancora più alti tra 84 e 86

se si riuscisse a prendere a 82 renderebbe circa il 4,8%
 

discipline

Forumer storico
Da un forum tedesco, report di MS di martedì 6/11 scorso, se già postato m'è sfuggito:

November 6, 2012
Investment Grade Credit
European Insurers
SNS Outlook Still Challenged
Bank asset quality remains the major concern at SNS.

We keep our recommendation to sell bank or group
Tier 1s – rather than chase LME – and would also sell
the insurer LT2s, given the risk we see of a full
insurance disposal not proceeding.
A very difficult 3Q12 for SNS reflected particularly in bank
asset quality, impairments spiking at the SME unit (141bp
annualised; 71bp over FY11) and Property Finance (8.8%
of average gross commitments annualised; 3.9% for FY11),
where 41% of loans are now non-performing (3Q11: 30%).
Outlook for 4Q11 clearly challenging, with management
guiding towards a net loss driven by bank impairments
remaining high, the potential for other assets to be
impaired (such as goodwill) and reorganisation charges.
No strategic review news (we could have to wait until
early 2013), though hints dropped, management
suggesting that a comprehensive solution may involve a
combination of actions, such as business disposals,
limitation of Property Finance credit risk, ordinary share
issuance and Dutch state core Tier 1 security conversion.
Any solution to need EC approval, raising the risk of
behavioural restrictions at SNS such as optionally
deferrable coupon bans. Bank €11.25% Tier 1 coupons
appear safe for now, given the presence of the pushing
€5.75% ‘must-pay’ Tier 1s. However, these bonds are
callable in 2013, making 2014 payments under the
€11.25% Tier 1s more uncertain, we believe.
We would not be reversing previous bank or group
Tier 1s sell recommendations to chase potential LME
(see SNS: Property Finance Concerns Remain, February
7, 2012), given an uncertain near-term SNS outlook and
likely negative read-across from the upcoming Spanish
bank restructuring.
Further, we see a material risk that a full insurance
disposal does not proceed, perhaps as a result of
unsupportive market conditions. After a relatively strong
run, we would be sellers too of the insurer €9% 41NC21s
(bid at 90, YTC of 10.8%, YTM of 10.1%), where we
believe that IG ratings are also at risk from potential EC
involvement down the line.
 

TheLondoner

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questa su Generali era passata inosservata....spiega in parte la forza del bond 10.125%:

Generali, completed sale of Migdal to Eliahu Insurance Company for €705 mln
Trieste – Generali announces that today it has completed the sale of its 69.13% share in Migdal Insurance and Financial Holdings to Eliahu Insurance Company Ltd. The transaction, which has received all the authorisations required from the Israeli competent authorities, took place in accordance with the terms of the contract announced to the market on 6th September 2012 for a consideration of €705 million, with a negligible impact after tax on P&L.
This sale fits within the re-focusing process of the Group and enables it to strengthen its overall liquidity position with a positive impact on the capital structure
 
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