Obbligazioni perpetue e subordinate Tutto quello che avreste sempre voluto sapere sulle obbligazioni perpetue... - Cap. 3

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Valuations are surely cheap. But in truth, they have been a lot cheaper in the past. We'll dwell on a few of the time periods

where things got difficult for investors in AT1s but first, note up front:
AT1 coupon risks are remote: We have discussed this at some length in our latest AT1 Primer. While it's clear from Exhibit 3 that we are typically € billions away from automatic restrictions, banks theoretically can choose not to pay a coupon, and the supervisor can tell them not to. These latter two options are extremely unlikely, in our view, considering the potential impact on the bank's reputation, trading levels and stock price.
Perpetuity risk is mitigated: In the same primer, we discussed the actions banks were taking in order to call AT1s almost no matter what. However, as a market dislocation lengthens, concerns about banks not calling at first call dates naturally rise, as it makes little economic sense to try to refinance such a bond at market- panic levels – the latest example is Aareal €7.625%. We'll return to short-call AT1s in another note, but AT1s do not have one-off calls. They have call dates after the first call date from quarterly to five-yearly. The risk of a non-call at first call date can be priced out to whenever you think the market dislocation (which, to be clear, is not rooted this time in bank fundamentals) will last. Looking at yields to perpetuity, while it can be a handy tool, is not the right way to value these bonds.
The investor base is experienced in owning AT1s. That won't stop volatility as parts of the investor base head for the exit or have outflows, but it does mean there is a large cohort of investors who understand these structures very well and, should they have the space, could add. In our latest AT1 survey, we concluded that around two-thirds of the AT1 investor base was asset managers, both IG and HY. This has been a fairly constant statistic over the past few years.
Regulatory change is coming: We mentioned it in Structures matter, but the regulatory change which we expect this year is still on its way, and that will strengthen the likelihood of call for all AT1s with 5.125% triggers, we believe. Certainty of call is key to an investment in AT1s and, as we've argued, considering the remote risks to coupons, should investors view an AT1 as certain to be called due to non-compliance with new rules, then it ought to start trading closer to Tier 2s.
Again, this crisis is not a bank-centred one. Banks entered this crisis with stronger balance sheets than they have ever had.
There are a couple of events that stick out for us when thinking about AT1s and how bad it has got for the sector in the past. It's a relatively young asset class and it took a while for calm-handed investors to make up the bulk of the ownership, so we look at two periods where pricing fell steeply, just in the last few years.
 
Il debito francese salirebbe dal 98,1 al 123,4% tra il 2019 e il 2020, quello italiano aumenterebbe dal 134,8 al 167% del PIL. Anche la Germania soffrirebbe di un forte aumento dell'indebitamento, dal 58,8% al 77,8% del PIL.
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Minxxia......quasi 20 punti (il 33% a spanne) su quello tedesco.....
Il debito francese salirebbe dal 98,1 al 123,4% tra il 2019 e il 2020, quello italiano aumenterebbe dal 134,8 al 167% del PIL. Anche la Germania soffrirebbe di un forte aumento dell'indebitamento, dal 58,8% al 77,8% del PIL.
meditate gente meditate
 
Il debito francese salirebbe dal 98,1 al 123,4% tra il 2019 e il 2020, quello italiano aumenterebbe dal 134,8 al 167% del PIL. Anche la Germania soffrirebbe di un forte aumento dell'indebitamento, dal 58,8% al 77,8% del PIL.
meditate gente meditate
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Il nostro lo ha messo giù la Federico. ( :brr: ).
 
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23 marzo...più o meno la data del mio post sugli At1 sulle cedole e sulle call., ma qualcuno non ricordo chi metteva in forte dubbio il pagamento delle cedole sugli At1 , probabilmente deve aver letto qualche altro report ...Negus no di sicuro
 
Tipo prodotto Cash (Obbligazioni, tit.stato) Titolo MPS-FIX TO CMS CALL SUB 22GE30
Codice Isin XS2106849727 Mercato EuroTlx (Milano)
Ordine
Operazione
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Acquisto Codice Pdn O01GP0LpQ5xs
Qtà/VN 100000 Qtà Eseguita 100000
Prezzo Limite 62.5 Strategia
Prz. stop Leva -
Ordine Associato Stato E
Comm. Vincolate 12.00
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Momento Continua
Data Validità 07/04/2020 Data Valuta 09/04/2020
 
SELL tra OTC e TLX

600 K ANSALDO 2020 scadenza a giorni vendute @ 99,50 circa


BUY 200K cedola 4% Landesbank Baden-Württemberg
DE000LB2CPE5 AT 1 @ 80,00 GERMANIA ERA 105 pre-crollo


BUY 200K

Volksbank Wien AT 1 @ 83,825 cedola 7,75% AUSTRIA AT000B121991 ERA 110 PRE-CROLLO


BUY 200 K

Erste Group Bank AG AT 1 @ 97,875 cedola 6,5% AUSTRIA
XS1597324950 era 115 PRE- CROLLO

BUY 100 K Assicurazioni Unipol AT 1 cedola 5,75% @ 95,98 XS1078235733 ITALIA era 110 pre-crollo



TOTALE PORTAFOGLIO.

100 K ANSALDO 2020 scadenza 27 Giorni @ 98,60 a fine corsa marginato 80% (ITALIA)

1400 K SALINI 2027 @ 86,68 circa marginato 80% (ITALIA))

1200 K INTESA AT 1 XS2124980256 4,125 % Call a 10 anni @ 70,125 marginato 30% (ITALIA)

1000 K certficato BONDS Perpetuo RABOBANK 6,5 % @ 93,95 marginato 40 % (OLANDA)

600 K VIVAT At 1 assicurativo @ 82,36 bid circa 89,50 marginato 40% (OLANDA)

200K Landesbank Baden-Württemberg AT 1 @ 80 cedola 4% DE000LB2CPE5 marginato 40%(GERMANIA )

200K Volksbank Wien AT 1 @ 83,825 cedola 7,75% marginato 40% AT000B121991 (AUSTRIA )

200 K Erste Group Bank AG AT 1 @ 97,875 cedola 6,5% XS1597324950 marginato 40% (AUSTRIA)

100 K Assicurazioni Unipol AT 1 cedola 5,75% @ 95,98 XS1078235733 marginato 40% ( ITALIA)


Preferirei arrivare a Natale 2020 con ZERO posizioni aperte sull'ITALIA quindi prnto ad uscire su SALINI - UNIPOL - INTESA ......a tempo debito


M to M portafoglio 3200 K + 1000 K leva totale 4200 K

target prima di natale 2020 ...3500 K + 1000 k leva totale 4500 K

prossimi giorni screen deposito e posizione

buon trading a tutti ...

RINGRAZIO NEGUS E ROTTWEILLER PER GLI AGGIONAMENTI DEL FILE Perpetue che mi hanno permesso di fare una raccolta dati proficua per poi fare gli ordini ...
 

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