2005: Il ritorno dei Bund/Bonds viventi ! vm 18 anni

fed52 ha scritto:
non voglio assolutamente far spaventare chi è short, ma era solo per un parere...

http://www.cobraf.com/abbonati/trading/trading.asp?type=mt&id=26930#26930


.42% Sui Btp e Bund
di G.Z. Trading Track
12:52 26/4/2005

Il rendimento dei titoli di stato tedeschi (e anche italiani o francesi) è sceso stamattina al 3.42% sui quelli a 10 anni, il livello più basso mai ricordato. La crescita tedesca è stata appena tagliata allo 0.7% per il 2005 e questo è stato lo spunto per questo calo record dei rendimenti dei Bund e Btp.

Nel frattempo i treasury americani a 10 anni rendono ora il 4.25% per cui hai un differenziale di 85 punti base con gli USA (e il dollaro ne beneficia).

Ogni volta che si fa un record storico di qualche genere sui mercati vale la pena di pensare un attimo. In Giappone il rendimento dei titoli di stato è arrivato al 3.42% negli anni '90 e poi ha continuato a scendere ancora fino al 1.02% e oggi è ancora al 1.45%.

Magari un 3.42% sui Btp e Bund sembra esagerato perchè ricordiamo che negli anni '80 rendevano il 17% e negli anni '90 il 7%, ma fra cinque anni forse saranno scesi al 2% come in Giappone.


grazie per il contributo
non dimentichiamo però di confrontare anche i tassi di inflazione Jap e Eu
una cosa è avere il tasso della inflazione Jap vicino a zero e i tassi all'1.45%
altro avere inflazione al 2% ( :-? a crederci) e interessi al 2.2% (bot italia)

oggi non ho tempo
cercherò i grafici

Fleu
potremmo aprire anche un thread serio con solo grafici 'approvati dal thread' da conservare a futura memoria
 
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CBOT debt traders cover short positions - CFTC
Fri Apr 29, 2005 05:39 PM ET
CHICAGO, April 29 (Reuters) - Debt futures traders at the Chicago Board of Trade slashed their short speculative positions at the long end of the yield curve in the latest week, a weekly report showed.
Large speculators, such as commodity funds or hedge funds, had a net short in CBOT 10-year notes of 129,266 contracts as of Tuesday, the smallest in five weeks, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission said.

In 30-year bond futures, the scramble to cover short positions was even more apparent. The net speculative short fell to only 5,022 contracts, down 44,453 contracts on the week.

The report suggested the bond futures rally Thursday and Friday might have included new buying by speculators.

Open interest in bond futures rose modestly during Thursday's rally. On Friday, CBOT June bonds reached their highest point since Feb. 14 before reversing to close lower.

The CFTC's weekly commitments of traders report is used by analysts as an indicator of market direction.

Analysts said short positions in 10-year notes, and especially in five-year notes, were still large enough to limit losses in futures over the next few days.

The next big shift in positioning could come after Tuesday's Federal Open Market Committee meeting.

The following table shows positions held by non-commercial firms in futures only:

30-YEAR BONDS

4/26/05 week 4/19/05 week

Long 105,202 95,654

Short 110,224 145,129

Net -5,022 -49,475

10-YEAR NOTES

4/26/05 week 4/19/05 week

Long 342,333 298,063

Short 471,599 494,738

Net -129,266 -196,675

FIVE-YEAR NOTES

4/26/05 week 4/19/05 week

Long 138,907 140,794

Short 284,865 317,124

Net -145,958 -176,330

TWO-YEAR NOTES

4/26/05 week 4/19/05 week

Long 105,423 95,873

Short 73,511 60,814

Net 31,912 35,059
 
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Wall St Week Ahead-Stocks to tune in to Fed and jobs
Fri Apr 29, 2005 06:28 PM ET
By Arindam Nag
NEW YORK, April 29 (Reuters) - Investors are likely to remain slightly nervous next week with another rate increase expected from the Federal Reserve and the crucial April non-farm payrolls report on tap.

The Federal Open Market Committee will meet on Tuesday.

Wall Street's top investment banks expect the FOMC will bump short-term U.S. interest rates up another 25 basis points, which would bring the fed funds rate up to 3.00 percent from 2.75 percent, according to a Reuters poll of 20 primary dealers in U.S. government bonds.

"The Fed announcement (on interest rates) will actually be a no brainer. The key is whether they are going to drop the word 'measured,'" said Sandy Lincoln, managing director and chief portfolio strategist at Wayne Hummer Asset Management.

In its March statement, the FOMC once again used the term "measured" to describe its preferred pace of interest-rate increases. That sent a signal to financial markets that future rate hikes would be done in 25-basis-point increments, just as the Fed has done since it began tightening credit last June.

Any shift in language will reflect "on both sustained growth and contained inflation," banking group HSBC said in a note to clients.

All 20 dealers polled by Reuters expect the FOMC to approve a quarter-percentage-point rate increase on Tuesday, while 19 of the 20 dealers expect another 25-basis-point rate hike at the FOMC's June 30 meeting.

On Friday, the U.S. government will release the monthly employment report for April. The forecast calls for April non-farm payrolls to rise by 170,000 jobs, according to economists polled by Reuters. In March, only 110,000 jobs were created.

The April U.S. unemployment rate is expected to hold steady at 5.2 percent.

Any disappointment in the week's economic numbers could trigger a sell-off in the stock market, analysts and traders said.

"It (the market) could go a lot uglier very fast," said Peter Schiff, president of Euro Pacific Capital.

CHEAPER OIL OFFERS SOME RELIEF

At Friday's close, stocks were mixed for the week. The blue-chip Dow Jones industrial average rose 0.3 percent during the week, while the broad Standard & Poor's 500 Index advanced 0.4 percent, and the tech-driven Nasdaq Composite Index slipped 0.6 percent.

The closing bell marked the end of a volatile month for the stock market. All three stock indexes hit fresh 2005 lows during April and ended the month with losses. The Dow fell 3 percent during April, while the S&P 500 dropped 2 percent and the Nasdaq lost 4 percent.

Sliding oil prices on Friday touched off a late-day rally, pushing the Dow average up 122.14 points, or 1.21 percent, to close at 10,192.51. NYMEX June crude futures fell $2.05 on Friday to settle at $49.72, a 10-week low.

If oil prices continue their downhill run, that could soothe some investor jitters over the economy. Lower oil prices raise the prospects of improvement in corporate profits.

ISM, MORE EARNINGS AND CAR SALES

Other key economic data also will get scrutiny throughout the week as investors search for signs of whether the U.S economy is heading towards a slowdown, accompanied by an inflationary trend.

The Institute for Supply Management, or ISM, is due to come out with its April manufacturing index on Monday. The average forecast is 55 in April, down from 55.2 percent in March. HSBC cited high energy prices as one of the reasons for this soft trend.

On Wednesday, the ISM will release its non-manufacturing index that measures activity in the U.S. services sector. The forecast calls for a dip to 61.0 in April from 63.1 in March, according to economists polled by Reuters.

The earnings machine also will keep cranking out the numbers, keeping investors and analysts on their toes for any projections of slower growth in profits or revenues for the year's second half.

Among major companies in the S&P 500 scheduled to report results on Monday are: cosmetics giant Avon Products Inc.(AVP.N: Quote, Profile, Research) ; Tyson Foods Inc.(TSN.N: Quote, Profile, Research) , the largest U.S. meat processor, and Electronic Data Systems Corp. (EDS.N: Quote, Profile, Research) , the second-largest U.S. technology services provider.

On Tuesday, corporate report cards are expected from Tyco International Ltd. (TYC.N: Quote, Profile, Research) , which makes products ranging from duct tape to fire-protection systems; Qwest Communications International Inc.(Q.N: Quote, Profile, Research) , the fourth-largest U.S. local telephone company; Marsh & McLennan Cos. Inc.(MMC.N: Quote, Profile, Research) , the world's largest insurance broker, and MetLife Inc.(MET.N: Quote, Profile, Research) , the largest U.S. life insurer.

Auto makers will report U.S. car and truck sales for April on Tuesday.

"The market is potentially at a point of inflection," said Jeffrey Saut, chief investment strategist at Raymond James Financial.

Saut said if economic data does not indicate sustained growth, the market could continue its bearish trend.

Indeed, U.S. investors have reasons to feel glum. On Friday, economic reports showed high gasoline prices and sluggish wages were hurting consumer sentiment.

Adding to the feel-bad factor was a slide in consumer and business morale across Europe with French unemployment rising and central bankers in Scandinavia and Switzerland expressing fears over high oil prices and poor job creation. (Wall St Week Ahead runs weekly. Questions or comments on this column can be e-mailed to: arindam.nag(at)reuters.com) (Additional reporting by Pedro Nicolaci da Costa)


© Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved.
 
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U.S. Treasuries Fall as Inflation Data Suggest Fed Will Keep Pace on Rates
April 29 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Treasuries fell as a report on consumer spending and inflation suggested the Federal Reserve will maintain its pace of raising interest rates this year.

Fed policy makers track the report's inflation figure excluding volatile energy prices. That core measure, compiled by the Commerce Department, was up 1.7 percent from March last year compared with a 1.6 percent annual pace in February. The Fed next week is expected to raise its target for overnight bank lending for the eighth straight time since June, to 3 percent.

``All indicators point to inflation edging higher, the market is worried and so is the central bank,'' said Anthony Karydakis, chief fixed-income economist at J.P. Morgan Fleming Asset Management in New York, with $400 billion in assets. ``The Fed will keep on moving despite the slowdown in the economy.''

The benchmark 4 percent note of February 2015 fell more than 3/8, or $2.75 per $1,000 principal, to 98 13/32 at 5:05 p.m. in New York, according to bond broker Cantor Fitzgerald LP. The yield rose 5 basis points or 0.05 percentage point to 4.20 percent after dropping yesterday to 4.14 percent, the lowest since mid-February.

The 3 5/8 percent note maturing in April 2007, the most sensitive to changes in benchmark rates, fell more than 1/8 to 99 31/32 while its yield rose 8 basis points to 3.64 percent. The note's yield declined 5 basis points this week and almost half a percentage point this month.

Treasuries fell even as the University of Michigan's consumer confidence index for April fell to 87.7 from 88.7 in the previous month. Another report showed manufacturing in the Chicago area declined in April. The 10-year note's yield of 4.16 percent is the lowest since mid-February.

Perplexing Yields

Accelerating inflation erodes the value of fixed-income payments on debt securities, and may encourage the Fed to keep raising rates at its remaining six meetings this year. The Fed in its regional economic activity report on April 20 said ``many districts suggested upward price pressures have strengthened.''

``It's very difficult to justify a 10-year below 4.2 percent when the Fed is going to continue to raise rates well through 3.75 percent this year,'' said Joseph Di Censo, a fixed-income strategist at Lehman Brothers Inc. in New York, one of the 22 primary dealers of U.S. government securities that trade with the Fed's New York branch.

Traders in interest-rate futures boosted expectations about the level of U.S. rates at the end of the year, following today's reports. The yield on the December Eurodollar futures contract rose to 3.93 percent, from 3.87 percent yesterday. A month ago the yield reached 4.34 percent, the highest this year.

The futures contracts settle at a three-month lending rate that averaged 21 basis points higher than the Fed's target over the past decade. They trade on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

Signs of Slowing

Other reports in the past month including gross domestic product and retail sales were short of forecasts, suggesting slower economic growth and boosting demand for Treasuries. The 10- year note's yield has tumbled half a percentage point from its year-to-date high of 4.69 percent on March 23.

Still, U.S. growth exceeds the pace in Europe and Japan. The European Commission earlier this month cut its 2005 growth forecast to 1.6 percent from 2 percent for the 12 nations that use the euro as currency. Japanese growth is forecast at 0.9 percent, based on the median estimate among economists surveyed by Bloomberg.

``I think the market is speculating that growth alone is going to keep the Fed at bay or stop them,'' Di Censo said. ``It's premature to start talking about growth when you have only one month of data.''

GDP, Inflation

Gross domestic product expanded at a 3.1 percent annual rate in the first quarter, slower than the 3.8 percent in the prior three months, the Commerce Department reported yesterday. The inflation measure, known as the GDP deflator, rose 3.2 percent, higher than the median estimate of 2.3 percent.

Fed policy makers raised the target for overnight bank lending by a quarter percentage point to 2.75 percent at their last meeting on March 22 and stuck to a ``measured'' stance on future increases. It was the seventh increase since last June, when the target was a four-decade low of 1 percent.

All 81 economists in a Bloomberg News survey expect the Fed to raise the target at the May 3 meeting.

A monthly index of manufacturing in the Chicago declined to 65.6 in April from 69.2 percent a month earlier. Economists polled by Bloomberg expected the index to decline to 62.5. A reading above 50 means manufacturers reporting improved business conditions outnumber those with the opposite view.


To contact the reporters on this story:
Vivianne C. Rodrigues in New York at at [email protected]
 
Negli USA si discusse molto se la libertà di espressione dovesse includere anche la libertà di bruciare la bandiera nazionale.

Decisero che i bruciatori di bandiera non dovessero andare in galera.
Però nemmeno li mandarono al governo.

Da oggi invece noi ne abbiamo confermati al governo cinque: il più pericoloso di loro è addirittura vice primo ministro. Il secondo non ha formalmente ministeri, ma ha in pugno tutto il governo, perché lo ha già mandato a casa una volta.

Mettetevi nei panni di uno straniero che si chiede se mettere qualche soldo in aziende, titoli, buoni del tesoro o prodotti italiani.
Perché dovrebbe farlo?

Mettiamo a vicecapo del governo il fiscalista di uno dei più corrotti, monopolisti e statalisti tra i gruppi industriali italiani.

Ad assicurare il prelievo fiscale e la solvibilità dello Stato mettiamo un “esperto di paradisi fiscali”, come lo definisce il governatore della Banca d’Italia.
Uno che ha passato la vita a insegnare ai più ricchi come evitare di pagare le tasse.

A risanare lo Stato mettiamo chi ha aperto una voragine nei suoi conti, portando il deficit oltre il 4% del PIL e svendendo il suo patrimonio immobiliare.

A garantire onestà e trasparenza mettiamo chi ha legalizzato la falsificazione dei bilanci.

A infondere fiducia nell’industria italiana mettiamo ministri, capi e vicecapi di governo che si fanno riprendere in tv sempre su auto tedesche, pagate con i soldi dei contribuenti italiani.
Ve lo vedete Bush su una Toyota di Stato? O Chirac su una BMW di Stato?

A risollevare le sorti del prestigio italiano mettiamo un superministro che in Italia dice e dirige “Forza Italia”. Poi va all’estero a Lugano (vedi il mio post del 7 marzo), ad organizzare insieme ad altri quattro ministri italiani una piazzata in cui si canta “Abbiamo un sogno nel cuore, bruciare il Tricolore”.

Se fiducia e rispetto per l’Italia non li hanno i suoi governanti, perché dovrebbero averla gli stranieri?






sarebbe bello fosse una barzelletta ma non è , e x fortuna che chi ha votato il berlusca ci ride su
 
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Buongiorno a tutti,
livelli sul bund per oggi
r3 121.74
r2 121.20
r1 120.94
pivot 120.66
s1 120.40
s2 120.12
s3 119.58

Ciao Andrea, cosa rappresenta il grafico ed i numeretti che hai postato ? Mi pare un'analisi di Elliott con livelli assortiti, giusto :-? ?
 
gastronomo ha scritto:
Ciao Andrea, cosa rappresenta il grafico ed i numeretti che hai postato ? Mi pare un'analisi di Elliott con livelli assortiti, giusto :-? ?

Ciao ric ... si è un programmino che fà l'analisi di elliot in automatico dando i possibili target delle onde.
Sotto nella casellina riepilogativa ci sono i diversi cicli (a breve, medio e lungo periodo) i target e le probabilità con le quali possono essere raggiunti.

Nel targhet di breve dice che è praticamente arrivato, in quello di lungo mi dà 124.

Ovviamente vanno presi con le pinze poichè è pura analisi grafica, non tiene quindi conto che stiamo parlando di bund, ovvero di un'obbligazione legata ai rendimenti e non tiene conto del quadro macro attuale sull'inflazione e rialzo tassi ... quindi prendilo così.


... unica cosa interessante è che pur tutte le limitatezze di questo modello nel breve da una pura analisi matematica fatta da più di 170.000 combinazioni mi dice che per il breve il bund è proprio arrivato (max estensione della 5 a 121.34). ;)
 

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