Bund, bond e la bband : Obama is calling YOU vm69 (6 lettori)

Fleursdumal

फूल की बुराई
non so se giocano a fare gli gnorri o ci sono, perchè se l'abbiamo immaginato noi che tutto poteva andare benissimo a pute non capisco perchè non ci potevano arrivare sti zucconi che avevano tutti i dati possibili e immaginibili a loro disposizione:down::down::down::down::down::down: ovviamente devono parare il q ai loro colleghi disgraziati ma a cui prodest veramente?
 

Fleursdumal

फूल की बुराई
il bernakka sta ancora a ponderare, pesare ..:D

Bernanke Risks ‘Very Unstable’ Market as He Weighs Buying Bonds

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601009&sid=aZ0bwWpcnFaM&refer=bond#


By Rich Miller
data


Jan. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and his colleagues may try once again to cure the aftermath of a bubble in one kind of asset by overheating the market for another.
Fed policy makers meeting tomorrow and the day after are exploring the purchase of longer-dated Treasury securities in an effort to push up their price and bring down their yield. Behind the potential move: a desire to reduce long-term borrowing costs at a time when the Fed can’t lower short-term interest rates any further because they are effectively at zero.
The risk is that central bankers will end up distorting the Treasury market, triggering wild swings in prices -- and long-term interest rates -- as investors react to what they say and do. “It sets forth a speculative dynamic that is very unstable,” says William Poole, former president of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis and now a senior fellow at the Cato Institute in Washington.
The Treasury market has “some bubble characteristics,” Bill Gross, the manager of Newport Beach, California-based Pacific Investment Management Co.’s $132 billion Total Return Fund, said in December on Bloomberg Television. He echoed that sentiment last week.
“I will say, and I have said for the past three months, the governments are very overvalued,” Gross said in a Jan. 20 interview. Treasuries last year returned 14 percent, according to Merrill Lynch & Co.’s Treasury Master Index, their best performance since 1995.
Inflated Prices
Recent history shows the economic danger of inflating asset prices. After a stock-market bubble burst in 2000, the Fed slashed interest rates to as low as 1 percent and in the process helped inflate the housing market. The collapse of that bubble is what eventually helped drive the U.S. into the current recession, the worst in a generation.
Faced with the danger of a deflationary decline in output, prices and wages, the Fed is considering steps to revive the moribund economy. On the table besides bond purchases: firming up a pledge to keep short-term interest rates low for an extended period and adopting some type of inflation target to underscore the Fed’s determination to avoid deflation.
The central bank has been buying long-term Treasury debt off and on for years as part of its day-to-day management of reserves in the banking system. Yet it has always gone out of its way to avoid influencing prices. What it’s discussing now, says former Fed Governor Laurence Meyer, is deliberately trying to push long rates below where they otherwise might be.
Fed Purchases
Bernanke raised this possibility in a speech on Dec. 1. While he didn’t specify what maturities the Fed might buy, in the past he has suggested that purchases might include securities with three- to six-year terms.
Investors immediately took notice, with the yield on the 10-year note falling to 2.73 percent from 2.92 percent the day before. Yields fell further on Dec. 16, dropping to 2.26 percent from 2.51 percent the previous day, after the central bank’s policy-making Federal Open Market Committee said it was studying the issue.
“Every time they mention it, the market reacts,” says Stephen Stanley, chief economist at RBS Greenwich Capital Markets in Greenwich, Connecticut.
Yields have since risen, with the 10-year note ending last week at 2.62 percent. Behind the reversal: expectations of massive fresh supplies of Treasuries as the government is forced to finance an $825 billion economic-stimulus package and a possible new bank-bailout plan. This week alone, the Treasury is scheduled to auction $135 billion worth of securities.
Jump in Yields
David Rosenberg, chief North American economist for Merrill Lynch in New York, says the jump in yields may prompt the Fed to go ahead with Treasury purchases.
This isn’t the first time Bernanke and the Fed have discussed buying longer-dated securities and ended up roiling the market. Bernanke touted the idea as a tool to fight deflation in speeches in November 2002 and May 2003.
Egged on by his comments -- and later remarks by then-Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan that the central bank needed to build a “firewall” against deflation -- many investors became convinced the central bank was poised to buy bonds. The yield on the 10-year Treasury note fell to 3.11 percent in June 2003 from 3.81 percent at the start of the year.
Traders quickly reversed course as it became clear the Fed had no such intentions, sending the 10-year Treasury yield soaring to 4.6 percent just three months later, on Sept. 2.
‘Miscommunication’
Poole, who was then at the St. Louis Fed, was critical at the time of what he called the central bank’s “miscommunication.” He now sees the Fed making the same mistake with its latest suggestions that it might buy longer- dated securities.
“If they do it, it’s going to be disruptive to the market,” says Poole, who is a contributor to Bloomberg News. “If they don’t do it, it will impair the Fed’s credibility and erode the confidence the market has in the statements that the Fed makes.”
Meyer, now vice chairman of St. Louis-based Macroeconomic Advisers, says the Fed should, and probably will, go ahead with purchases as a way to lower borrowing costs. “The story is stop talking and start buying,” he says.
Still, he notes that not everyone at the Fed is enthusiastic about the idea. One concern: Foreign central banks and sovereign-wealth funds, which are big holders of Treasuries, might cool to buying many more if they believe prices are artificially high.
Undermine the Dollar
That may undermine the dollar. “There’s no guarantee that international investors would switch to other dollar- denominated debt if flushed from the Treasury market,” says Lou Crandall, chief economist at Wrightson ICAP LLC in Jersey City, New Jersey.
Tony Crescenzi, chief bond-market strategist at Miller Tabak & Co. in New York, says foreign investors might also get spooked if they conclude that the Fed is monetizing the government’s debt -- in effect, printing money -- by buying Treasuries.
Bernanke himself, in his 2003 speech, said monetization of the debt risked faster inflation -- something bond investors, foreign or domestic, wouldn’t like.
Some economists argue the Fed would help the economy more if it bought other types of debt. Even after their recent rise, 10-year Treasury yields are still well below the 4.02 percent level at the start of last year.
Corporate Bonds
Yields on investment-grade corporate bonds, in contrast, stood at 8.24 percent on Jan. 22, the latest date for which information is available, compared with 6.45 percent at the start of 2008, according to data compiled by the Fed.
Hawks at the Fed wouldn’t welcome such purchases. They are already uneasy that some of the central bank’s programs are effectively allocating credit to one part of the economy rather than others. Case in point: the Fed’s ongoing program to buy $500 billion of mortgage-backed securities, which Jeffrey Lacker, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond, has called “credit policy” rather than monetary policy.
J. Alfred Broaddus Jr., who was Richmond Fed president from 1993 to 2004, says the lesson from the early part of the decade isn’t that the Fed went too far in easing policy to avoid deflation -- it’s that policy makers should have tightened more quickly afterwards and not allowed themselves to be boxed in by their pledge to keep interest rates low for a considerable period.
In the current context, that means buying bonds “is something worth looking at,” he says. Still, the Fed “needs to be careful and be ready to reverse course, especially given all the money that it’s pumped into the system.”
 

Fleursdumal

फूल की बुराई
arrivano i nostri:eek::D

BlackRock Buys Spanish Bonds on ‘Ridiculous’ Spreads

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601009&sid=aEZfyuorCvtc&refer=bond#


By Bo Nielsen
Jan. 26 (Bloomberg) -- BlackRock Inc., the biggest money manager traded in the U.S., said it started buying Greek, Spanish and Italian government bonds after yield spreads widened to the most in a decade.
Prices now reflect odds of between 10 percent and 20 percent that the euro-region will disintegrate following a series of credit downgrades from Standard & Poor’s this month, according to BlackRock. The difference in yields, or spreads, between the three nation’s 10-year bonds and those of benchmark German securities were close to the widest today since the euro’s debut in 1999.
“You have got to ask yourself at what point this becomes ridiculous,” Scott Thiel, head of European fixed income in London at BlackRock, which manages $1.3 trillion, said in an interview Jan. 23. “That’s too high if you step back and take a deep breath. We’ve begun to add back exposure” of these bonds.
The spread between German 10-year bunds and comparable Greek bonds ballooned to 297 points last week, before trading at 292 basis points today. The equivalent on Spanish securities widened to 123 points on Jan. 21, two days after the nation lost its AAA rating at S&P. The rating company also lowered Portugal’s and Greece’s classifications one step.
Investor Opportunities
The ratings changes created opportunities for investors, said Thiel. While spreads may widen further before they narrow, markets have exaggerated the likelihood that the cost of bank bailouts and economic stimulus packages will force some countries to abandon the euro, he said.
“It’s very unlikely this will happen,” Thiel said.
Yields of Greek 10-year governments bonds averaged 48 basis points more than the German bund since the euro’s debut. The spread to Spanish bonds averaged 15 points. For Italy, the average difference was 30 basis points.
The bond yields of some European nations surged as governments planned to sell record amounts of debt this year to revive economies battered by the global recession.
The 11 biggest economies in the euro region will increase government debt issuance this year by about 26 percent to 1.05 trillion euros ($1.36 trillion) from 830 billion euros in 2008, London-based Riccardo Barbieri-Hermitte, head of European rates strategy at Bank of America Corp., wrote in a report last month.
BlackRock is among a group of investors including ING Groep NV and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. that are betting the market is exaggerating the odds of a euro-region breakup.
ING, the biggest Dutch financial-services company, said on Jan. 22 Spanish, Irish and Greek bonds were “outright cheap.” Goldman Sachs, based in New York, advised clients on Jan. 15 to buy Italian 10-year bonds, targeting the spread to the bund of 100 basis points from the current 156 basis points.
 

ditropan

Forumer storico
Giorno gente ... che delusione pazzesca ! :down:

.. oggi prova e riprova a comperare questo benedetto contratto sul gas naturale e non funzionava ... telefono ... e ti vengo a sapere che da oggi praticamente tutte le commodities si negozieranno solo con ordini telefonici. IWBank invece di crescere stai facendo passi indietro. :down::down::down::down:

... hanno appena aggiornato la pagina informativa.

http://trader.iwbank.it/trading-offerta-derivati-trader.html
 

Fleursdumal

फूल की बुराई
Fleurssss, l'amico Ambrosio ha interrotto il silenzio stampa. :p E guarda un po', oggi non attacca l'euro e i PIGS. Chissà come mai :D
Fa un escursus storico del '29, praticamente quello che dicevamo qui tempo fa.

The twin blasts of fiscal and monetary stimulus have been massive. In short order the Fed has slashed rates to zero. It is now conjuring money out of thin air on an industrial scale, buying $600bn of mortgage bonds to force down the cost of home loans, and propping up the commercial paper market to avoid mass corporate default. Ben Bernanke, a Depression junkie, is proceeding with a messianic sense of certainty. The wash of money should ensure that the next 18 months will not mimic the cascade of disasters from late 1931 to early 1933
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...back-to-1931.-Good-news-its-not-1933-yet.html


c'è un commento che mi fa pensare:
John Heenan on January 26, 2009 at 08:59 AM
Unfortunatley the only cure is a depression. Chucking more borrowed money on a debt ridden socioty is only going to prolong the recession. Our banks need to get back to basics, lending money they have from savers, house prices need to collapse and weak bunsinesses need to fail.


Temo che finchè non si fa il reset dei debiti con il famoso anno sabbatico, si può andare avanti solo come nella lost-decade Japponese :(

ambrosio deve aver visto ieri la maxi rievocazione del 29 + grande depressione andata in onda sulla solita bbc2 ierisera:D stanno facendo tutto un ciclo :up:
 

Fleursdumal

फूल की बुराई
Giorno gente ... che delusione pazzesca ! :down:

.. oggi prova e riprova a comperare questo benedetto contratto sul gas naturale e non funzionava ... telefono ... e ti vengo a sapere che da oggi praticamente tutte le commodities si negozieranno solo con ordini telefonici. IWBank invece di crescere stai facendo passi indietro. :down::down::down::down:

... hanno appena aggiornato la pagina informativa.

http://trader.iwbank.it/trading-offerta-derivati-trader.html

io mi son rotto la coglia due anni fa, ma craist se sei membro come sostieni del CME che azzo ti costa dare l'elettronico su cbot e nymex che ormai fanno parte del CME group, quale azzo può essere il problema , il clearing?
sì concordo che stanno regredendo alla grande, una volta diventati banca :down: più facile vendere le altre caxxate
 

f4f

翠鸟科
ah allora siamo già in due (EDIT: in 3 con f4fffff) :up: mah, non capisco, azzo, è il number 1 nella BUBA e quindi nella BCE... o parla così perchè non vuol dire nulla, oppure non ha veramente nulla da dire. Mah :-?


Fleurs, il fatto è che si sente una negatività e pessimismo pazzeschi.
E di solito questo è il miglior indicatore per andare long :-o

parla così perchè non vuol dire nulla, oppure non ha veramente nulla da dire.
è cerchiobottismo , abbiamo solo politici (i vertici delle BC per me son più politici che economisti, e forse è pure un bene) e giocano sempre su due tavoli

occhio al 'di solito' e a non confonderlo col 'sempre' :D
 

f4f

翠鸟科
io mi son rotto la coglia due anni fa, ma craist se sei membro come sostieni del CME che azzo ti costa dare l'elettronico su cbot e nymex che ormai fanno parte del CME group, quale azzo può essere il problema , il clearing?
sì concordo che stanno regredendo alla grande, una volta diventati banca :down: più facile vendere le altre caxxate


brutta notizia :(


tu cosa usi adess Fleu ???
 

Metatarso

Forumer storico
arrivano i nostri:eek::D

the biggest money manager traded in the U.S., said it started buying Greek, Spanish and Italian government bonds after yield spreads widened to the most in a decade.
và che il bund sta crollando, e i decennali Greci stanno salendo :p
Anche il Portogallo. E' la rivincita dei periferici, o gli hedge stanno smontando ? Mahhh


ambrosio deve aver visto ieri la maxi rievocazione del 29 + grande depressione andata in onda sulla solita bbc2 ierisera:D stanno facendo tutto un ciclo :up:
su youtubbe c'è il programma dell'altra sera
The Birth of the Speculator
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=yUyw7IeF1LE

Ambroes e quelli che stanno dietro di lui, avranno capito che hanno perso la guerra... ormai staranno contrattando la resa :rolleyes: Questo era il suo ultimo articolo:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...9883/UK-cannot-take-Icelands-soft-option.html
Britain has foreign reserves of under $61bn dollars (£43.7bn), less than Malaysia or Thailand. The foreign liabilities of the UK banks are $4.4 trillion – or twice annual GDP – according to the Bank of England. The mismatch is perilous.
.......
Britain is not alone in its current distress, although the fall in sterling speaks for itself. The sovereign debt of Russia, Ukraine, Greece, Italy, Belgium, Austria, The Netherlands, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and Korea is all being tested by the markets. The core of countries deemed safe is shrinking by the day to a half dozen. Sadly, Britain is no longer one of them.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Alto