Bund e TBond: l'era del cinghiale bianco

adesso vi dico cosa faranno i futures-indice americani nei prossimi giorni:

il gioco si chiama: "facciamo passare un natale preoccupato a chi va long (e un brutto capodanno a chi va short)"

in pratica si farà un bell'affondo tra domani e venerdi, di quelli inaspettati ma non troppo da chiamare il margin call (perchè natale è sempre natale) e poi rialzo forte subito dopo natale per chiudere l'anno


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QuickS ha scritto:
adesso vi dico cosa faranno i futures-indice americani nei prossimi giorni:

il gioco si chiama: "facciamo passare un natale preoccupato a chi va long (e un brutto capodanno a chi va short)"

in pratica si farà un bell'affondo tra domani e venerdi, di quelli inaspettati ma non troppo da chiamare il margin call (perchè natale è sempre natale) e poi rialzo forte subito dopo natale per chiudere l'anno


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:V

beh la cosa potrebbe essere plausibile sebbene è difficile sapere quante sono le posizioni long intraday sul mercato...
 
per oggi mi sà tanto che finisce 0-0 ... lascio i livelli del t-bond per domani ...

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gipa69 ha scritto:
beh la cosa potrebbe essere plausibile sebbene è difficile sapere quante sono le posizioni long intraday sul mercato...

no ma ovviamente non vien fatto apposta, cioè è il mercato che fa cosi perchè è il mercato che funziona cosi :)

poi leggetelo solo come una previsione sgureggiante colorita dal solito discorso sul manovramento occulto del mercato, che però mi piace :D
 
Questa puzza troppo di fetenzia .... deve per forza essere uscita qualche vocina alle 20:00 che dice taglio dei tassi a gennaio ..... guarda quà cosa hanno combinato sul 10 anni ...

... un movimento così il t-note non lo fà nemmeno sui payrolls ! :eek: :eek: :eek:


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ditropan ha scritto:
Questa puzza troppo di fetenzia .... deve per forza essere uscita qualche vocina alle 20:00 che dice taglio dei tassi a gennaio ..... guarda quà cosa hanno combinato sul 10 anni ...

... un movimento così il t-note non lo fà nemmeno sui payrolls ! :eek: :eek: :eek:


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si sente che tutti i mercati sono saturi e pronti per esplodere in direzionalità però prima vogliono guardare tanti prendere posizione...
 
Good aft'noon a tout les bondaroles

giornate infernali per l'infermiera avucat , ieri è passato col termometro anche da me, non gli bastava il gipaZ :no: :-R :censored: :D

azzo ci fa il T-bronx a 116,5 , sbaglio o ho visto PILu Us a 4,9% :eek: short di uno :V :rolleyes:

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Fleursdumal ha scritto:
azzo ci fa il T-bronx a 116,5 , sbaglio o ho visto PILu Us a 4,9% :eek: short di uno :V :rolleyes:

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stà buono và ... sono 3 giorni che mi fà impazzire !!!

Non riesco a capire ieri e l'altroieri macchinette in supporto a 115,1875 ... ieri poi spike dopo le 20:00 e dopo 4 giorni che sale come un pazzo ha una forza enorme. :rolleyes:

tra l'altro venerdì è uscito un dato sull'inflazione pazzesco che stà ad indicare niente da fare per ulteriori tagli.

per cortesia puoi dare tu una ravanata in giro per vedere che si dice in merito ? ... è come se di punto in bianco avessero girato la frittata e si attendessero ulteriori tagli sui tassi. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
ecco qualcosa sotto vecio , rosicato un quartino da 117 , ma è proprio ritornata la bestia velenosa di tre anni fa orco zio :D sapore di dejavù

AP
Treasurys Rise After Jobless Claim Jump
Thursday December 20, 11:13 am ET
By Leslie Wines, AP Business Writer
Treasurys Rise After Jobless Claims Jump, MBIA Discloses CDO Exposure

NEW YORK (AP) -- Treasury prices rose once more Thursday after a new jobless claims report pointed to tough times ahead for the economy.

Treasurys are viewed as among the safest assets and tend to perform well when the economy is in danger.

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The Labor Department reported that initial claims rose 12,000 to 346,000 in the latest week. The four-week moving average of claims, which economists consider a good barometer of the economy, rose 23,000 to 2.63 million, marking the highest level in almost two years.

"The combination of falling consumer confidence and rising jobless claims is a terrible one for the economy," said Tony Crescenzi, fixed-income analyst at Miller Tabak. "The expansion will end if this continues."

The move to safety in Treasurys also was spurred by yet another troubling development with a bond insurer.

The cost of buying protection against a default for bond insurer MBIA Inc. shot up a full point Thursday after the company said it guaranteed $8.1 billion in collateralized debt obligation market. Collateralized debt obligations, or CDOs, are investment pools that contain some assets backed by subprime mortgages.

Traditionally bond insurers did not provide backing for CDOs, which are among the riskiest debt instruments because of their subprime exposure.

The disclosure from MBIA came a day after a Standard & Poor's rating agency slashed its credit rating for bond insurer ACA Financial Guaranty Corp. to a non-investment grade "CCC" from investment grade "A." S&P said ACA's capital cushion of $650 million is still $2.2 billion short of what it needs to cover potential losses.

In Thursday trading, the benchmark 10-year Treasury note rose 5/32 to 101 27/32 with a yield of 4.02 percent, down from 4.03 percent late Wednesday. Prices and yields move in opposite directions.

The 30-year long bond rose 31/32 to 109 9/32 with a yield of 4.43 percent, down from 4.47 percent late Wednesday.

The 2-year note was unchanged at 100 2/32 with a yield of 3.09 percent, down from 3.10 percent late Wednesday.

The jobless claims news eclipsed a Commerce Department that the economy, as measured by gross domestic product, grew at a 4.9 percent pace in the third quarter, unchanged from a prior estimate.

Analysts believe the strength seen last summer already has eroded in the face of recent problems in the credit markets and gains in inflation. Many analysts expect fourth-quarter growth to be just in the 1 percent to 1.5 percent range.

"GDP growth is a distant memory," said Bernard Baumohl of the Economic Outlook Group. "Inflation and joblessness are on the rise."

The Commerce Department report also showed that the core personal consumption expenditure price index, an inflation gauge carefully monitored by the Federal Reserve, rose at a 2 percent clip in the last quarter. The previous report showed only a 1.8 percent advance. The Fed's "comfort zone" for inflation increases is 1 percent to 2 percent.

The bond market monitors inflation carefully because it eats into the value of fixed income. In addition, if the Fed becomes excessively worried about inflation it will be more cautious about reducing rates.

The Fed has cut interest rates a full percentage point in recent months, pushing the Fed funds target down to 4.25 percent. Investors are hoping for more cuts in 2008 to grease financial markets and consumer spending.

The day's top corporate news stories revealed more fallout from the subprime mortgage crisis. Persistent worries about subprime problems have helped fuel intense demand for Treasurys since August.

Bear Stearns Cos. said a bigger-than-expected writedown in its mortgage portfolio caused the nation's fifth-largest U.S. investment bank to post the first loss in its 84-year history. It took a $1.9 billion writedown in the recent quarter when its mortgage-backed securities continued to lose value.

And the Federal Reserve said that in the latest week, the total amount of commercial paper outstanding fell by $54.7 billion, the largest weekly decline since late August. The outstanding volume in the risky asset-backed sector contracted by $27.5 billion.

The commercial paper market, normally highly liquid, began contracting sharply in August due to concerns that some of these short-term notes are backed by below-prime mortgages. Commercial paper usually provides an easy way for companies to get short-term operating capital while avoiding formalities such as registering bond sales with the government.
 
pullback aka rinculo sulla r1 a 116,7188
il trading desk della Stanlio&Morgan ha perso 8mld di $ su un solo errore :eek:

Single error costs mighty Morgan Stanley $8bn
By Stephen Foley in New York
Published: 20 December 2007

A single catastrophic mistake by traders at the heart of Morgan Stanley's mortgage business has blown an $8bn (£4bn) hole in the bank's finances, it emerged yesterday.

In what might be the biggest single loss by a trading desk on Wall Street, Morgan Stanley said it was stuck holding vast quantities of mortgage derivatives that had plunged in value since the summer, and kept on plunging in November.

John Mack, chief executive, called it "an error of judgment". Colm Kelleher, chief financial officer, said the bank had learnt "a very expensive and humbling lesson".

The hit to the company's balance sheet forced Mr Mack to seek a rescue refinancing from an arm of the Chinese government, which said yesterday it would pay $5bn for a stake of up to 10 per cent the company. Its shares rose 4 per cent in early trading on news of the cash injection.

Investors had been braced for big losses from Morgan Stanley but the scale of the disaster eclipsed even the worst predictions. It stood in sharp relief to the results a day previously from arch-rival Goldman Sachs, which had made so much money from bets against the mortgage market that it did not post any losses at all.

Ironically, Morgan Stanley was also betting that the mortgage market would deteriorate and a small group of traders were licensed to place big bets against the riskiest mortgage derivatives. However, they tried to defray the cost of those bets with interest from other, less risky mortgage-backed derivatives.

Disastrously, after Americans began defaulting on home loans in record numbers, even supposedly safe mortgage derivatives plunged in value.

Where Morgan Stanley had predicted at the end of October that it would have to write off $3.7bn of the value of the position, yesterday it admitted the situation had got even worse and the final figure was $7.8bn. Other write-downs related to the mortgage market took the final figure for one-time losses to $9.4bn.

"The results we announced today are embarrassing to me and the firm," said Mr Mack. "They are the result of an error of judgment on one desk in our fixed income area and a failure to manage that. Make no mistake, we have held people accountable."

Mr Mack sacked the company's co-president and heir apparent, Zoe Cruz, at the end of last month as the escalation of the losses was becoming apparent and amid criticism of her management style. Executives said yesterday that none of the traders involved, their bosses or the risk management officers at the firm had properly "stress tested" the mortgage positions on Morgan Stanley's books.

The company refused to say whether the individual traders were still in their posts.

China Investment Corp will hand Morgan Stanley a cash infusion of $5bn, initially in return for annual interest of 9 per cent but with the investment converting into Morgan Stanley shares by 2010. So-called "sovereign wealth funds" – the investment arms of emerging market governments – have become an important prop to Wall Street's disaster-stricken banks as they look for ways to recapitalise. In just the past month, Abu Dhabi invested $7.5bn in Citigroup and Singapore invested 11bn Swiss francs in UBS.

Wall Street executives forego bonuses

John Mack donned a hair shirt for Morgan Stanley's horrible financial results presentation yesterday – and he is not alone in promising to forego a bonus this year.

Jimmy Cayne, the chief executive of rival Wall Street bank Bear Stearns, is expected to follow Mr Mack's lead and announce today that neither he nor other top executives will dip into their ring-fenced bonus pool.

The self-denial frees up a few more millions of dollars for spreading among the middle-ranking talent that Bear and Morgan Stanley need to keep on board as they struggle to right their businesses in the coming year. But most importantly, it shows to employees and to beleaguered shareholders that those at the top are sharing in some of the financial pain wrought by the credit crisis on Wall Street.

"Ultimately, accountability for our results rests with me," Mr Mack said yesterday, "and I believe in pay for performance. I've told our compensation committee that I will not accept a bonus for 2007." Last year, he was paid a $40m bonus, more than 100 times his salary.

Morgan Stanley's bonus pool for the financial year just ended is $16.6bn, it announced yesterday, up 18 per cent on last year, but a long way shy of what had been expected before the credit crisis broke. In the parts of the bank exposed to the mortgage markets, bonuses could be down by as much as 40 per cent, consultants said.

Bear Stearns is expected today to post its first ever quarterly loss.

Stephen Foley
 

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