Obbligazioni societarie GM, Ford, Chrysler: il 3D dell'automotive USA (1 Viewer)

frankiemachine

Mr. Tentenna
finalmente sei tornato anche qui con noi, carina la cattiveria... :D

come Wagoner, stipendio simbolico, ma vedrai il TFR... :lol:


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bhè, 'stavolta la botta è stata grossa
passare da un bel verde parecchio sostanzioso (tra GM e GMAC) di venerdì sera scorso alla randellata di lunedì mi ha provato
ci ho messo qualche gg a riprendermi e questo non era certo il posto adatto al mio umore :lol:
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
bhè, 'stavolta la botta è stata grossa
passare da un bel verde parecchio sostanzioso (tra GM e GMAC) di venerdì sera scorso alla randellata di lunedì mi ha provato
ci ho messo qualche gg a riprendermi e questo non era certo il posto adatto al mio umore :lol:

c'è il topico del cazzeggio per ritrovare il buonumore... ed il suo scopo anche curativo per lo stress da perdita lo rende uno dei più visitati del forum, in questo periodo... :D

se mi posso permettere, detenere GMAC e GM richiederebbe un certo pelo sullo stomaco, perchè il rischio di vedersele (mi riferisco a GM...) a zero in un fine settimana non è solo teorico, si sa che i Chapter 11 si chiedono al Venerdì... :eek: - quindi cerca di non somatizzare o rischiamo di sentire la tua mancanza... :lol:

Più seriamente, mi chiedevo se la scadenza di 60 giorni (questa volta ritengo tassativa, o devono cacciare 1 bilioncino per le debentures in scadenza il 1 Giugno...) sia in realtà tale. Mi spiego. Se arriveranno ad una proposta di scambio per i BH, qualsiasi essa sia, va comunicata al mercato, e ci deve essere un tempo tecnico per l'accettazione. In un mondo normale sarebbe qualcosa del genere: o il 90% dei BH scambia con 1 cent di cash, 15 cent di bond con priorità, ed azioni GM, o si va ad un Ch 11.

Quindi se così fosse forse entro un mesetto si parla di numeri concreti, e nel frattempo vediamo cosa fanno con Chrysler, e pronti anche lì per un po' di ottovolante, di riflesso... il fegato come va?!? ;)

Ah, dimenticavo, se al 45 giorno non si sa nulla, non ci sono più i tempi tecnici, e la proposta di scambio è in corte con della carta igienica, probabilmente... :eek: :lol:

Ciao...
 

TheLondoner

Forumer storico
riporto quanto letto su MF-DJ : GM sta valutando la...
..."vendita 363", che fa riferimento ad una particolare sezione del Capitolo 11 delle procedure fallimentari statunitensi. Tale sezione prevede che le societa' vicine alla bancarotta diano vita ad una nuova azienda partendo da alcuni asset e marchi....
questi come dice Paolo, fanno lo scherzetto nel Week-End
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
By MATTHEW DOLAN and JOHN D. STOLL

Ford Motor Co. said Monday its investors agreed to exchange $9.9 billion in debt for cash and stock, ratcheting up the pressure on its struggling U.S. competitors that also are trying to cut debt.
Ford's 28% reduction in its overall debt comes as General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC have failed to make significant progress in their discussions with bondholders and lenders. Both car makers are trying to shave significant debt obligations in coming weeks to meet the Obama administration's demand for a major reorganization in exchange for continuing federal support.
The U.S. Treasury last week began talking to Chrysler's secured lenders about eliminating more than $5 billion of Chrysler's $6.8 billion of first-lien debt by the end of April. The lenders, including J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc., have balked, saying the Treasury is seeking excessive concessions.

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At GM, negotiations are aimed at persuading unsecured bondholders to give up at least two-thirds of their holdings in exchange for stock, newly issued debt and a reduction in principal. Bondholder representatives have complained that the Treasury's auto task force hasn't been open to meeting, even though the government says an agreement is needed by the beginning of June.
Treasury officials are planning to meet with the bondholders in the near future, a person familiar with the department's plans said. The two parties met for the first time in early March.
One of the GM bondholders' biggest demands -- that the government guarantee GM's newly issued debt with some form of insurance -- has been rejected by the Treasury. It is the latest evidence that the Obama administration is taking a tough stance on GM and Chrysler debt holders.
The first part of Ford's cash-and-equity offer, launched last month, received a better reception from creditors than many expected. But the overall buyback plan ultimately came in slightly below the $10.4 billion in debt Ford said it could have retired. The offer was led by Goldman Sachs and the Blackstone Group.
The debt deal may have changed the minds of some on Wall Street, who had questioned whether Ford could avoid government loans.
J.P. Morgan auto analyst Himanshu Patel wrote in an investor note Monday that the debt restructuring may be a sign that Ford management "believes car sales have bottomed and [has] faith in its own ability to execute" its plan without government aid.
Ford shares were up 16% in 4 p.m. New York Stock Exchange composite trading, rising 52 cents to $3.77.
Others remained more skeptical about Ford's prospects. "With poor operating results now expected through 2009, Ford's liquidity is becoming strained," Gimme Credit auto analyst Shelly Lombard wrote Monday.
On Monday, Standard & Poor's lowered its corporate credit and other ratings on Ford to "selective default" and downgraded certain Ford issue ratings to "D." S&P said it considered the debt-repurchase moves "tantamount to defaults under our criteria." But the ratings firm added it would reassess Ford by mid-April.
Ford had $35.8 billion in debt at the end of 2008, including $10.1 billion the company drew down in January through its revolving credit.
The auto maker also has payments due to fund a separate trust for its retirees' health care. The health-care liability is $13 billion over 10 years. Half can be paid in company stock under terms of a recent United Auto Workers agreement, reducing the cash obligation to $6.6 billion.
Ford said its financing arm, Ford Motor Credit, will use $2.4 billion in cash, combined with stock, to buy back the debt once the offer closes Wednesday. Ford agreed to pay investors about $380 in cash and stock for every $1,000 in bonds, or 38 cents on the dollar, according to company officials.
"It reduces our interest expenses between $500 and $600 million a year," Ford treasurer Neil M. Schloss said in an interview Monday.
Asked whether he is concerned that Ford's debt-for-equity swap would substantially dilute shareholder value, Mr. Schloss said. "I think that equity holders think we have a long way to go" to improve the Dearborn, Mich., auto makers' operations.
The debt buyback is another example of how Ford has capitalized on government requirements imposed on GM and Chrysler to reach deals with stakeholders. In addition to allowing Ford to fund half its retiree health-care plan with stock, the UAW made concessions in wages, benefits and work rules.
About $4.3 billion in Ford's 4.25% senior convertible notes due in December 2036 were validly tendered under the debt-for-stock deal, which will result in the issuance of 468 million shares. Separately, under Ford Credit's tender offer, about $3.4 billion of notes were tendered, at a total purchase price of $1.1 billion.
—Jeff Bennett contributed to this article.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123902308085992679.html?ru=yahoo&mod=yahoo_hs
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
Despite all the work on bankruptcy prevention/preparation, GM (GM) still found the time and money to partner with Segway Inc. on a two-seat, two-wheel, electric prototype vehicle which it will unveil today in advance of the New York auto show.

Even as execs work to cut costs and avoid bankruptcy, GM (GM) is reportedly speeding up preparations for a possible Chapter 11 filing. In the case of a bankruptcy, GM is expected to form a new company from its best assets.

S.A.
 

frankiemachine

Mr. Tentenna
c'è il topico del cazzeggio per ritrovare il buonumore... ed il suo scopo anche curativo per lo stress da perdita lo rende uno dei più visitati del forum, in questo periodo... :D

se mi posso permettere, detenere GMAC e GM richiederebbe un certo pelo sullo stomaco, perchè il rischio di vedersele (mi riferisco a GM...) a zero in un fine settimana non è solo teorico, si sa che i Chapter 11 si chiedono al Venerdì... :eek: - quindi cerca di non somatizzare o rischiamo di sentire la tua mancanza... :lol:

Più seriamente, mi chiedevo se la scadenza di 60 giorni (questa volta ritengo tassativa, o devono cacciare 1 bilioncino per le debentures in scadenza il 1 Giugno...) sia in realtà tale. Mi spiego. Se arriveranno ad una proposta di scambio per i BH, qualsiasi essa sia, va comunicata al mercato, e ci deve essere un tempo tecnico per l'accettazione. In un mondo normale sarebbe qualcosa del genere: o il 90% dei BH scambia con 1 cent di cash, 15 cent di bond con priorità, ed azioni GM, o si va ad un Ch 11.

Quindi se così fosse forse entro un mesetto si parla di numeri concreti, e nel frattempo vediamo cosa fanno con Chrysler, e pronti anche lì per un po' di ottovolante, di riflesso... il fegato come va?!? ;)

Ah, dimenticavo, se al 45 giorno non si sa nulla, non ci sono più i tempi tecnici, e la proposta di scambio è in corte con della carta igienica, probabilmente... :eek: :lol:

Ciao...

Non devo più venire di qua a leggerti!
:mmmm:
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
GM’s European arm lures investors

By Daniel Schäfer in Frankfurt and John Reed in London
Published: April 6 2009 19:38 | Last updated: April 6 2009 23:40

As many as seven investors – including several sovereign wealth funds and at least one Asia-based private equity firm – have expressed an interest in taking a stake in General Motors’ European operation, of which Germany’s Opel forms the core.
A memorandum, being prepared by Commerzbank, GM’s adviser on the Opel stake sale, could be submitted to potential buyers as soon as this week, two people close to the carmaker told the Financial Times.
The talks are still at a very early stage but GM wants to secure a firm pledge from a third-party investor in its European arm within a 60-day deadline – imposed last week by the US government – to cut costs and streamline its operations further, or face bankruptcy.
One senior GM executive, who requested anonymity, said that the parties were working on “a fairly fast timeline”.
He added: “Within 60 days we want to make significant progress on this.”
Any investor would be likely to buy a majority stake in a newly formed holding company that would include Opel, GM’s British Vauxhall brand and its other European operations. Fritz Henderson, GM’s chief executive, told the FT last week that GM could end up with a minority stake.
Angela Merkel, German chancellor, last week said her government might offer loan guarantees to help entice an investor.
She ruled out, however, the state taking a stake in Opel.
One option for the deal said to be under consideration is a leveraged buy-out model, under which the investor would use state guarantees for a loan that would pay the bulk of the purchase price.
GM, which has seen banks withdraw lending because of its financial problems and the credit freeze, is seeking €3.3bn ($4.4bn) of loans or guarantees from European governments, including about €2.5bn from Germany.
Its European operations are slashing costs – from consulting contracts to coffee pots in conference rooms – deferring some payments and clearing out vehicle inventories in a bid to stay liquid until the end of this quarter.
GM Europe said the carmaker had received “credible, serious and promising interest in working with us on a third-party investor basis”.
He described the discussions as “exploratory”, with issues on the table said to include the valuation of GM Europe’s assets, its future relationship with its US parent and how they would work together.
Opel is highly integrated with GM’s other global operations, with which it shares design, engineering and other functions.
With production of 1.7m vehicles last year, GM and industry analysts say it needs its US parent to share costs and leverage scale.
Mr Henderson is said to be interested in striking a “win-win” relationship along lines of other overseas partnerships, like its Chinese joint venture with local automaker SAIC or its GMDat joint venture in Korea.
GM’s European arm has some briskly selling models and promising future cars. It also has nine plants on the continent, not including one operated by Saab, which filed for bankruptcy in February.
However, a successful sale of the operation faces heavy odds because of the risk of a possible bankruptcy filing by GM.
Both BMW and Daimler ruled out investing in Opel.
One senior investment banker in the industry, who asked not to be quoted, Monday described it as an “unviable asset”.


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a0239008-...20-11db-b0dc-000b5df10621.html?nclick_check=1
 

frankiemachine

Mr. Tentenna
meglio saperle invece, le cose (JMHO).

Tieni anche a mente che una bancarotta pre-packaged si fa con l'accordo dei "principali" creditori.

Ora, il più grosso è lo Stato Americano... fai tu, secondo me si mette d'accordo con se stesso... :lol:

Non ce la faccio.
Non riesco ad immaginarmelo.
Obama.
Il presidente del cambiamento.
L'uomo della provvidenza.
La speranza per milioni di americani (e non solo se consideriamo la politica estera) che si trasforma in Bastardo N°1 e fot.te letteralmente milioni di BH che, se vogliamo dirla tutta, non c'entrano proprio un c...o con la situazione di GM e sono i meno responsabili.
Aldilà del fatto che in America è più facile intentare una causa che scoreggiare, ma questi come pensano di gestire la fase post PP relativamente ai bond corporate e al rischio di guerra civile??
Chi glieli compra i loro bei bonds poi?
Pensano si possano fott.ere milioni di studenti/pensionati/vecchiette e lavoratori ricevendo solo una tirata d'orecchie??
Pensano che gliene fot.ta qualcosa ai sopracitati di avere una NewGM viable se i loro risparmi han preso il volo??
Temo si scatenerebbe una reazione a catena che mi inquieta molto più del solo destino di GM (penso ad esempio a GE ed alla sua bulimia di liquidi).
Veramente tanti auguri in tal caso, Mr.President.

La cosa che spero di più in questo momento è che 'questi' si rendano veramente conto della situazione e di quello che fanno: ho il terrore di essere nelle mani di sprovveduti inesperti.
 

samantaao

Forumer storico
Non ce la faccio.
Non riesco ad immaginarmelo.
Obama.
Il presidente del cambiamento.
L'uomo della provvidenza.
La speranza per milioni di americani (e non solo se consideriamo la politica estera) che si trasforma in Bastardo N°1 e fot.te letteralmente milioni di BH che, se vogliamo dirla tutta, non c'entrano proprio un c...o con la situazione di GM e sono i meno responsabili.

perdonatemi se dico che in quella posizione il colore della pelle conta solo per gli spettatori della tv... farà quello che i poteri occulti vogliono, come tutti quelli prima
potrà imporsi solo sulle questioncine (tipo l'elicottero) che fanno tanta scena ma poca sostanza
scusate l'ot
 

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