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tommy271

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Lieve restringimento degli spread/bund sul decennale greco senza, al momento, configurarsi come movimento strutturale.
Recuperano un poco Spagna e Italia, tensione sempre elevata su Irlanda e Portogallo.

Grecia 924 pb. (934)
Irlanda 351 pb. (354)
Portogallo 338 pb. (331)
Spagna 177 pb. (184)
Italia 148 pb. (154)
 

tommy271

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Caro Noloss (il tuo nick è il nostro orizzonte) la Grecia assomma le caratteristiche negative dei paesi del Club Med.
Quindi nessuna sorpresa se uno su quattro lavora in nero, i negozi non rilasciano scontrino fiscale (non erano tenuti a farlo), i taxisti scioperano contro il fisco, l'evasione è la norma ... il pagamento delle tasse un'eccezione.
Ti ricordano qualcosa?
Questo comunque è il "valore aggiunto" che manca alle statistiche, anche se noi dobbiamo tenerne conto: un PIL sommerso del 30%.
Compito di Papandreou farlo riemergere, almeno in parte.
Ci vorrà tempo ...
 

tommy271

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The EU can be a boon for Greece

By Paul Romer
Published: September 2 2010 22:59 | Last updated: September 2 2010 22:59



At first glance Greeks seem cursed by the EU. Their membership precludes an exchange-rate devaluation, the traditional way out of a financial crisis. But, on closer inspection, the EU offers a far more potent option. Corruption in Greece is like the worst kind of tax; one that discourages economic activity without raising revenue. Yet Greek policy-makers should be able to use the credibility of the EU to cut this tax decisively.
Greece is actually making progress with its budget problems. The IMF on Thursday released a report saying a debt default was “unlikely”, while another recent IMF review was upbeat on the government’s fiscal measures. Yet as Monday’s report on European economic sentiment shows, households and businesses in Greece remain deeply pessimistic. Even if the government can pay its bills, they face a deeper problem: Greece is not an attractive place to get work done.
Unemployment in some areas, including Perama, a traditional maintenance hub for the Greek shipping industry, is nearly 70 per cent. Many Greek firms now send their ships to be repaired in Turkey or South Korea. The problem is not the quality of the Greek workers: it is the delays, demands and inefficiencies that result from pervasive corruption.
Press reports tend to focus on tax evasion, but the threats to everyday business activity are much more harmful. Companies simply avoid places where these are common, just as they avoid jurisdictions where the corporate tax rate is high. Threats can range from a government official who removes a company’s operating licence unless his girlfriend gets a job, to the truck drivers who cut off the fuel supply to petrol stations to keep the government from letting more people enter the trucking business.
What to do? The experience of Hong Kong shows that a government can sharply reduce corruption. In 1974, a new elite organisation, the Independent Commission Against Corruption, was set up. Cultural pessimists said that corruption was an inextricable part of Chinese culture, but the ICAC dramatically reduced it, making Hong Kong among the least corrupt places in the world.
To repeat the ICAC’s success, the fundamental challenge is to address a political problem that is as old as democracy in Greece. If guardians enforce the law, who guards the guardians? In the wrong hands, an anti-corruption agency could use selective prosecutions to give a political party a huge advantage.
Such political competition is like a fist fight in a bar. In most countries, creating a powerful new anti-corruption commission could be like tossing a gun into the middle of the brawl. Political parties in Greece remember how strong state powers were abused during the military takeover in the 1960s. On their own, the parties might reasonably agree that new powers would be destabilising and dangerous.
Greek politicians seem to have concluded it is better to live with a weak state than a strong one that could be abused. Yet in Hong Kong, the ICAC reported directly to the governor general, who was himself an appointee of the democratically elected British prime minister. The commission could be trusted because it was held accountable to an offshore democracy with a stake in Hong Kong’s prosperity. Greece can use its membership in the EU to recreate these conditions.
In short, by relying on the credibility of the EU, Greece can stop corruption without threatening its electoral process. The details could be handled in many ways. The Greeks could propose candidates for the leadership of the anti-corruption commission. The EU’s president could make an appointment from the list, retaining the power to remove, replace, or re-appoint the commissioner.
A similarly neutral commission could also bring the most basic elements of management to the Greek civil service. People who do their jobs well should be rewarded, with the EU as a neutral arbiter. People who don’t should be advised to change or be fired. With this approach, essential organisations like the courts and tax agencies could drastically improve.
Greece has options. If the country resigns itself to levels of high corruption it will be forced to compete for investment by offering wages that are correspondingly lower, causing a deeper and longer recession. Alternatively, the government can use the EU to make corruption as low and wages as high as in the rest of Europe.


The writer is the Henry Kaufman Visiting Professor at New York University


(Financial Times)
 

tommy271

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Greece: Alternative scenarios to raise 1 bln euros

03. September 2010. | 07:58
Source: ANA



The economic staff is examining alternative scenarios to raise 1 billion euros in 2011 in order to avoid transferring products and services from the 11% VAT scale to the high 23% one.




The economic staff is examining alternative scenarios to raise 1 billion euros in 2011 in order to avoid transferring products and services from the 11% VAT scale to the high 23% one.
Equalization of fuel oil and heating oil prices is the prevalent scenario. Special consumption tax on heating oil will not be lowered from October, 15 therefore its price will remain the same as fuel oil. In the meantime, figures of VAT revenues are optimistic as a 10.8% rise was recorded in August mainly from collection of VAT from businesses on islands.

Finance Ministry data indicate rise in VAT revenues in August, 65.96% in Santorini, 35.44% in Kalymnos, 37.8% in Milos, 26.6% in Mykonos, 42.76% in Naxos, 24,6% in Paros, 25% in Tinos, 51.89% in Paxous and 47.2% in Lefkada.
 

tommy271

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Greece Worse Than Russia, Argentina In Debt Crisis: BOJ

TOKYO (Nikkei)--Greece was in much poorer economic and financial shape than Russia and Argentina were during their own debt crises, the Bank of Japan concludes in a recent report on financial market conditions.
The report cites how such indicators as the budget deficit, balance of payments, and external-debt balance were worse than the Russian and Argentine figures.
But with Greece, the situation was not perceived as problematic right away because market participants counted on fellow euro zone nations to come to its rescue, according to the report.
This slow market reaction may have led to the delay in addressing the Greek sovereign debt problem and made the situation worse, the BOJ suggests.


(The Nikkei Sept. 3 morning edition)
 

tommy271

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Greek PM seeks consensus on austerity measures and reforms with social partners​



English.news.cn 2010-09-03 05:49:02


ATHENS, Sept. 2 (Xinhua) -- Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou held a meeting with representatives of the Greek business world and labor unions on Thursday, seeking consensus on his government's austerity policies, as Greek economy and people face a harsh autumn.
Social partners expressed objections to certain measures introduced so far and structural reforms underway, presenting the Greek premier with a string of alternative proposals to overcome the acute economic crisis the country faces.


"It is important to reach a national strategy through dialogue. It is important we show that despite different opinions, there is a national effort," said Papandreou during the meeting in the presence of many cabinet ministers.
"It is very important that Greece shows to the whole world who is watching, that (we) will beat the crisis. Because if the world sees a country tripping over, this image will be presented ten times worse than the real situation," he stressed.


Greece is due to receive the second tranche of financial aid by the European Union (EU) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) this September to face the crisis, but in exchange for that, is also under pressure to stick to a harsh Stability and Growth Program of austerity measures and reforms that causes strong reactions of Greek society.
After a short break during summer holidays, the government faces a new wave of demonstrations starting from the Thessaloniki International Fair in northern Greece, which will be inaugurated by Papandreou on Sept. 11.


At the premiere of the Fair, Greek prime ministers traditionally deliver a speech on the government's economic policy for the following months.
Due to the crisis this year's speech at Thessaloniki, as well as remarks expected on the anniversary of the founding of the ruling socialist PASOK party on Sept. 3, will be analyzed with great interest by representatives of the business world and labor unions, who discussed the prospects of Greek economy with Papandreou on Thursday at his office at Maximou Mansion.
During Thursday's meeting, union leaders asked the government to force Greek banks to release funds to the real economy and households, to support small businesses, the unemployed and low income employees and pensioners.


They also demanded the prime minister avoid further increases in taxes and ask the EU and the IMF for more time and support to put the Greek national economy back to the path of recovery and development.
 

tommy271

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Si discute nei blog:

Is a Greek default inevitable? - Fundmastery Blog - MarketWatch

"... Greece will happily borrow from the ESM to avoid having to close its primary deficit...Yet if Greece is successful in eliminating its primary deficit, its temptation to default will actually grow, as it can wipe out huge amounts of accumulated debt without any longer needing the financial markets to fund current expenditures. If faced with the choice between paying Greek debts and letting Greece default, its northern neighbors may, once their banks are on more solid footing, find it more attractive simply to let Greece default. This is the story line that the markets are now pricing into government bond spreads… "
 

sethi

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Si discute nei blog:

Is a Greek default inevitable? - Fundmastery Blog - MarketWatch

"... Greece will happily borrow from the ESM to avoid having to close its primary deficit...Yet if Greece is successful in eliminating its primary deficit, its temptation to default will actually grow, as it can wipe out huge amounts of accumulated debt without any longer needing the financial markets to fund current expenditures. If faced with the choice between paying Greek debts and letting Greece default, its northern neighbors may, once their banks are on more solid footing, find it more attractive simply to let Greece default. This is the story line that the markets are now pricing into government bond spreads… "



Un saluto a tutti quanto sono rientrati dalle ferie.
posto una mia opinione personale e un idea mia personale, riguardo ai bond ellenici rimango pur sempre della mia opinione ossia che un default sia improbabile, o quantomeno non inevitabile come sostengono diverse fonti anche autorevoli, detto ciò e riferendomi sopratutto a chi ha preso le cedole e sono state delle belle cedole penso che potrebbe switchare un 20/30% del capitale impegnato sui bond ellenici sull'etf greece, infatti se partiamo dal presupposto che il flusso cedolare ricevuto corrisponde a grosso modo un 3/4 anni di flusso cedolare di titoli di stato italiani con la cifra allocata sul etf potrebbe in un prossimo futuro rimbalzo guadagnare + che lasciando la somma sui bond ellenici, naturalmente se questa situazione di stallo dovesse protrarsi per un altro anno le maxi cedole con l'etf non ci sarebbero, insomma una scommessa bella e buona.

Premetto che io la mia diversificazione è tutta sull'etf(0.5% del capitale), lo scrivo per chiarezza nei confronti di tutti gli utenti del forum.
 

Grisù

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Si discute nei blog:

Is a Greek default inevitable? - Fundmastery Blog - MarketWatch

"... Greece will happily borrow from the ESM to avoid having to close its primary deficit...Yet if Greece is successful in eliminating its primary deficit, its temptation to default will actually grow, as it can wipe out huge amounts of accumulated debt without any longer needing the financial markets to fund current expenditures. If faced with the choice between paying Greek debts and letting Greece default, its northern neighbors may, once their banks are on more solid footing, find it more attractive simply to let Greece default. This is the story line that the markets are now pricing into government bond spreads… "

Si leggono discrete fesserie sui blog.
Non mi pare una grande novità che l'unica modalità viabile per la Grecia per praticare una ristrutturazione possa essere quella di riguadagnare un attivo di bilancio prima di ogni altra cosa. In linea teorica a quel punto potrebbe uscire dall'euro e isolarsi svalutando a piacere e riguadagnare l'accesso ai mercati in una decina di anni.

Peccato solo che con le politiche depressive di FMI/UE dubito che si riveda il segno più prima del 2014-2015. I problemi dovranno essere risolti prima di questa data e una volta risolti i problemi strutturali sarebbe una vera scemenza fare default con indicatori macro positivi.

Il problema principale greco è di un pil in contrazione progressiva, non è certo l'interesse sul debito, che potrebbe anche crescere ulteriormente, a patto di interessi decrescenti.
 
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