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bella discesa con pb in aumento!

Per il momento, guardando la Grecia, lo spread/bund è in costante allargamento per tutto il pomeriggio, dopo una mattinata tranquilla: ora intorno a 770 pb.
Siamo a circa 100 pb. in più rispetto i minimi della scorsa settimana.


:ciao:Aperto il computer da poco per impegni: ringrazio chi ha inventato il trailing stop, che mi ha fatto uscire (con dispiacere di allora ma con la gioia di oggi) dal 2019 6% a 79.
Purtroppo, pensando in quel momento come Ferdo (continuazione della salita), sono rientrato quasi subito con 24K nel 2017 4,3% con pmc 76,24, che mi ha rovinato un po' la festa :(.
Stasera non sono riuscito a entrare, vediamo domani :rolleyes:.
Certo che oggi vi è stata una bella scivolata!!! :eek:.
Ciao, ciao, Giuseppe
 
Borsa Atene: Ase chiude a -1,9% su incertezze politica


MILANO (MF-DJ)--L'indice Ase della Borsa di Atene termina una seduta da 124,39 mln euro di volumi in ribasso dell'1,9% a quota 1.577,89 punti, penalizzato dalle incertezze politica Greca e dall'allargamento degli spread sul bond.
"Le dichiarazioni del Primo Ministro Papandreou's sulla possibile imminenza delle elezioni non aiutano", commenta un esperto locale.
In rosso Nbg a -3%, Eurobank a -3,9%, Alpha -2,3%, Opap a -2%, Ppc a -3% e Cch a -1,6%


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Post tradotto dal precedente.

 
Greek yield spread hits 800 bps, periphery suffers


LONDON | Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:25am EDT


LONDON Oct 27 (Reuters) - The premium investors demand to hold Greek government bonds rather than German benchmarks hit its highest in about a month and Irish debt underperformed on Wednesday as sentiment soured towards the euro zone's periphery. The Greek/German 10-year bond yield spread GR10YT=TWEB DE10YT=TWEB hit 800 basis points for the first time since Oct. 1 and was around 77 bps wider versus Tuesday's settlement.
Greek debt has come under pressure in recent sessions after a run of negative comments on the state of the country's finances. Earlier Greece's 2009 budget deficit was revised upwards to 15 percent from 13.8 percent. [ID:nLDE69Q0PA]


The equivalent Irish spread IE10YT=TWEB also widened to 430 bps, 28 bps wider on the day.
"It's a little bit of selling pressure coming into the market, stops are going off," a trader said. "It was led off this morning by Portugal and
 
Greek bond yields jump on deficit concerns

Portuguese yields also rise on worries about budget plan


The yield premium demanded by investors to hold 10-year Greek bonds over their German counterparts, which had narrowed toward 6.5 percentage points, now appears headed back toward 8 percentage points, said Nick Stamenkovic, fixed-income economist at RIA Capital in Edinburgh.

Greek Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou, speaking at an economic conference in Cyprus, said the European Union’s statistics agency would set the nation’s oft-revised 2009 budget deficit "once and for all” at more than 15% of gross domestic product, Reuters reported.

The Greek government has implemented an austerity plan that includes a public-sector wage freeze, higher taxes and frozen pensions in an effort to bring its deficit down to 7.8% of GDP this year and 7% in 2011.

Greece’s budget woes sparked a sovereign-debt crisis that raised concerns about the viability of the European single currency while prompting an expensive and politically controversial bailout.
Stamenkovic said concerns remain about Greece’s ability to hit its budget targets, due largely to uncertainty over the government’s ability to collect revenues.

Mohamed El-Erian, CEO of Pimco, was quoted earlier this week as forecasting that Greece would default on its debt within three years.
Also adding to concerns, Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou on Monday said early general elections couldn’t be ruled out if his ruling party suffers defeat in upcoming local elections.

Meanwhile, Portugal’s minority government has failed to win support for its austerity budget. The BBC said it was unclear whether the right-wing opposition would block the government’s fiscal plan or just abstain from voting.

The cost of insuring Greek and Portuguese government debt against default rose. The spread on five-year Greek credit default swaps, or CDS, widened to nearly 747 basis points from around 678 basis points on Tuesday, according to data provider CMA.

That means it would now cost $747,000 a year to insure $10 million of Greek debt against default for five years, up from $678,000.
The spread on Portuguese CDS widened to 349 basis points from 331.2.

(marketwatch.com)
 
Non dirlo a me: tutte queste revisioni dei dati sul debito pubblico sarebbero da azione legale ...
Ovviamente sia alla BCE che in Eurostat sapevano già tutto (oltre ai soliti Goldman Man). :down:.

così se defaulta potremo fare causa presso la Corte Europea :lol::lol::lol:
allegando tutte le dichiarazioni di Trichet, Rehn etc etc ...
Tommy, archivia tutto!!!
 
:ciao:Aperto il computer da poco per impegni: ringrazio chi ha inventato il trailing stop, che mi ha fatto uscire (con dispiacere di allora ma con la gioia di oggi) dal 2019 6% a 79.
Purtroppo, pensando in quel momento come Ferdo (continuazione della salita), sono rientrato quasi subito con 24K nel 2017 4,3% con pmc 76,24, che mi ha rovinato un po' la festa :(.
Stasera non sono riuscito a entrare, vediamo domani :rolleyes:.
Certo che oggi vi è stata una bella scivolata!!! :eek:.
Ciao, ciao, Giuseppe

e dire che pensavo ad una bella fase laterale :wall::wall::wall:
l'importante è poter ricaricare ... il timing è fondamentale
 
Germany Pushes State Default Proposal At EU Summit



BRUSSELS October 27, 2010, 12:58 pm ET


European Union governments put up hundreds of billions of euros earlier this year to keep financially troubled members like Greece or Ireland from defaulting on their debts. Now Germany is pushing to let hopelessly indebted governments do exactly that — admit they can't pay and hit bond investors with the costs instead of taxpayers.
But Berlin may have a hard time winning approval for a crisis resolution mechanism when EU officials meet in Brussels on Thursday and Friday.

Chancellor Angela Merkel last week won backing from France for a way to let countries that use the euro go bankrupt in an orderly way that doesn't make financial markets panic or require costly bailouts that would be funded, German officials fear, largely by them.

France agreed to the proposal for a so-called permanent crisis resolution mechanism in exchange for Germany yielding to France's desire for more lenient rules for states that break the EU's debt and deficit limits.
German officials say they are stressing the importance this trade-off as they head for the summit, where the budget rules and the default procedure are on the table. Both rules and default procedure need to pass, they say.

Other governments are not only wary of changing EU treaties — a process that requires the backing of all 27 member states, sometimes by referendum. But it is also far from clear how such a mechanism would work in practice.
Merkel has come under pressure from taxpayers, who bridle at seeing their money put on the line to cover the excesses of less disciplined countries. Germany is the biggest contributor to the euro110 billion emergency loan given to Greece, and to a euro440 billion financial stability fund for the wider eurozone that would not be tapped unless needed.

Both those backstops are set to expire in 2013, when EU leaders will face tough choices. Either rich countries like Germany will continue bailing out their weaker neighbors, or borrowing costs for indebted countries will soar like they did earlier this year, analysts say.
By 2013, Greece's debt will likely stand at 150 percent of gross domestic product — an unsustainable level, many economists think.

"Germany can and will not give a simple extension" to the stability facility, Merkel said Wednesday. Instead, bond holders such as big banks and hedge funds should have to bear some of the costs of risky lending to a highly indebted country — either by rescheduling or accepting a so-called haircut, a reduction of the total sum they are owed.
But German officials have not said publicly what a permanent crisis resolution mechanism would look like, who would run it, and how it would be funded.

Economists working with developing countries have been struggling for decades to come up with a mechanism that would allow highly indebted countries to restructure their debts in an orderly fashion. But getting the myriad of private creditors — ranging from banks to hedge funds and international institutions — to agree on a deal without hurting the indebted government's future funding needs has been difficult.

In the eurozone, where countries are locked into a single currency, avoiding panic and contagion would be even more difficult.
"From my point of view there can be no such thing as an orderly default," says Marco Valli, chief eurozone economist at UniCredit. Once one eurozone country admits it can no longer pay, investors will rush to sell off their holdings in other indebted member states. "It's very easy to move from Greece to Portugal to Ireland," says Valli.

Others disagree. Thomas Mayer, the chief economist of Deutsche Bank, and Daniel Gros, director of the Brussels-based Centre for European Policy Studies, have proposed the creation of a European Monetary Fund to handle future debt crises.
Such a fund would first supply a country with emergency loans, based on strict requirements to cut down its spending.
But once it becomes clear that a country's debts have become unsustainable, the European Monetary fund would buy up its entire debt, at a maximum cost of 60 percent of the country's GDP. For creditors of a country with a debt load of 120 percent of GDP, that would mean a steep haircut of 50 percent.

The idea is that telling markets what the haircut will be would keep the defaulted bonds tradeable in secondary markets and prevent complete market chaos.
And the benefit to the creditors? "The only alternative for a private creditor would be a much bigger haircut," says Nicolaus Heinen, European economist at Deutsche Bank.

There's one key point in the European Monetary Fund proposal that states are unlikely to accept, says Kunibert Raffer, a professor of economics at the University of Vienna who has been researching orderly default mechanism for poor countries for more than two decades. In return for help, the fund would get to sign off on that country's spending decisions.
"This is very 19th-century," says Raffer. "Creditors would become the administrator of the debtor."

Instead, he proposes a mechanism modeled on bankruptcy regulations for municipalities in the U.S. These Chapter 9 bankruptcy rules, born in the Great Depression, make sure that creditor's restructuring conditions don't prevent a town or county from running essential services like schools or hospitals or giving up other fundamental political powers.

In contrast to the European Monetary Fund model, under Chapter 9 bankruptcy, the conditions for the debtor and creditors would be decided by an ad hoc arbitration panel, elected by all parties. The arbitration panel's decisions would be fairer and thus more likely to be acceptable to the indebted country and its creditors, says Raffer.


(npr.org)
 
:ciao:Aperto il computer da poco per impegni: ringrazio chi ha inventato il trailing stop, che mi ha fatto uscire (con dispiacere di allora ma con la gioia di oggi) dal 2019 6% a 79.
Purtroppo, pensando in quel momento come Ferdo (continuazione della salita), sono rientrato quasi subito con 24K nel 2017 4,3% con pmc 76,24, che mi ha rovinato un po' la festa :(.
Stasera non sono riuscito a entrare, vediamo domani :rolleyes:.
Certo che oggi vi è stata una bella scivolata!!! :eek:.
Ciao, ciao, Giuseppe
Ciao Giuseppe, ho sempre seguito la situazione greca ma ne sono stato sempre alla larga. Dispongo solo del Mot per ora, e l'unica obb. greca che ho seguito costantemente è la IT0006527532 R ELLENICA-99/19 5% che oggi ha perso il 2,60% a 71,27 :eek:.
A livello di pura scommessa sono fortemente tentato ad entrarci ma con un cippettino e solo se nei prossimi gg dovesse scendere ancora. Che ne pensi di un tale assaggino di questi tempi?
Non sono stato li a calcolarne il rendimento se non altro per scaramanzia :D.
 
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