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Bravo, almeno ci sei tu che sostieni un pò i corsi. Se ti avanza qualcosa incomincia a prendere anche un pò di btp.
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Bravo, almeno ci sei tu che sostieni un pò i corsi. Se ti avanza qualcosa incomincia a prendere anche un pò di btp.
tommy271
Forumer storico
Bravo, almeno ci sei tu che sostieni un pò i corsi. Se ti avanza qualcosa incomincia a prendere anche un pò di btp.
... Ghe pensi mi
.Ci vorrebbe qualche milionata
.
tommy271
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ECB Update: On Collision Course With Governments Over Greece
FRANKFURT (MNI) - European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet sharpened his tone over the weekend, warning governments against letting Greece default just days ahead of the emergency summit at which Eurozone heads of state and government may decide to do just that.
"If a country defaults, we can no longer accept as normal eligible collateral defaulted bonds issued by the government of that country," Trichet said in an interview with Financial Times Deutschland. "The responsibility for this lies with the governments. The governments have been warned, in no uncertain terms and using all possible means."
Should governments go ahead with restructuring plan, they will have to provide a solution to keep Greek banks alive, Trichet said. In effect, this may mean that governments will have to inject so much fresh capital into Greek banks that a large chunk of any private sector contribution would be eaten up rendering the deal financially useless.
German chancellor Angela Merkel continues to insist that private sector involvement must be part of a new deal for saving Greece. While she said she hopes to avoid a default scenario, rating agencies have warned that plans floated thus far would all lead to selective default.
In another sign of hardening fronts, one of the ECB's most outspoken critics of any form of Greek debt restructuring, let alone a Eurozone breakup, appeared for the first time to allow for the possibility that Greece could actually leave the Eurozone if it is unable to address its problems effectively.
Asked whether he was worried about the viability of the euro as a currency, Bini Smaghi said: "The Greeks for example want to stay in the euro, but for this to happen they have to put their house in order. They have to face reality."
Instead of a private sector contribution that would lead to default, the ECB is pushing for an expanded role of the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF), which would allow it to buy government debt in the secondary market.
Trichet, Bini Smaghi and Yves Mersch over the weekend all called for stepping up flexibility of the fund to include the possibility of secondary bond market intervention.
"This would allow the private sector to sell bonds at their market value which is currently lower than the nominal value," Bini Smaghi said. "This would allow the private sector to sell while the public sector would save money. But such an option was not included in the design of the EFSF. If there is a way to change the EFSF, that would be useful."
Trichet said that instead of coming up with new tools, such as Eurobonds, "what counts now is that we make optimal use of the instruments at our disposal." In particular, "the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) should be used as flexibly and effectively as it possibly can be," he asserted, using code language that essentially means it should be allowed to buy bonds.
At last week's Eurogroup meeting, finance ministers said they had decided to enhance "the flexibility and the scope of the EFSF." However, their statement did not specify whether this flexibility would include the ability to buy bonds on the secondary market.
In another sign that the ECB is no longer ready to offer central bank support where its deems fiscal support warranted, Mersch indicated that the ECB has not resumed its bond buys as markets had speculated last week. With the EFSF in place "we can consequently defend the strict distinction between monetary and fiscal policy," Mersch said.
Trichet said that the ECB will not do anything that would impair its "ability to be an anchor of confidence and stability" -- words echoed by Mersch, who said the central bank will focus instead on its main mandate of delivering price stability.
In order to do so, further rate hikes may be warranteed, Mersch hinted.
While he said that the ECB had not announced "a series of rate hikes" and is "never pre-committed," he also observed that "risks to growth are balanced, while risks to price stability lie on the upside," and the monetary pillar show no credit constraints.
At the same time, real interest rates are still negative, Mersch observed. "The whole available theory tells us about the danger of too-long periods of negative real rates. This is also an argument and we discuss it at every meeting in order to reach our goal of price stability in the medium term."
FRANKFURT (MNI) - European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet sharpened his tone over the weekend, warning governments against letting Greece default just days ahead of the emergency summit at which Eurozone heads of state and government may decide to do just that.
"If a country defaults, we can no longer accept as normal eligible collateral defaulted bonds issued by the government of that country," Trichet said in an interview with Financial Times Deutschland. "The responsibility for this lies with the governments. The governments have been warned, in no uncertain terms and using all possible means."
Should governments go ahead with restructuring plan, they will have to provide a solution to keep Greek banks alive, Trichet said. In effect, this may mean that governments will have to inject so much fresh capital into Greek banks that a large chunk of any private sector contribution would be eaten up rendering the deal financially useless.
German chancellor Angela Merkel continues to insist that private sector involvement must be part of a new deal for saving Greece. While she said she hopes to avoid a default scenario, rating agencies have warned that plans floated thus far would all lead to selective default.
In another sign of hardening fronts, one of the ECB's most outspoken critics of any form of Greek debt restructuring, let alone a Eurozone breakup, appeared for the first time to allow for the possibility that Greece could actually leave the Eurozone if it is unable to address its problems effectively.
Asked whether he was worried about the viability of the euro as a currency, Bini Smaghi said: "The Greeks for example want to stay in the euro, but for this to happen they have to put their house in order. They have to face reality."
Instead of a private sector contribution that would lead to default, the ECB is pushing for an expanded role of the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF), which would allow it to buy government debt in the secondary market.
Trichet, Bini Smaghi and Yves Mersch over the weekend all called for stepping up flexibility of the fund to include the possibility of secondary bond market intervention.
"This would allow the private sector to sell bonds at their market value which is currently lower than the nominal value," Bini Smaghi said. "This would allow the private sector to sell while the public sector would save money. But such an option was not included in the design of the EFSF. If there is a way to change the EFSF, that would be useful."
Trichet said that instead of coming up with new tools, such as Eurobonds, "what counts now is that we make optimal use of the instruments at our disposal." In particular, "the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) should be used as flexibly and effectively as it possibly can be," he asserted, using code language that essentially means it should be allowed to buy bonds.
At last week's Eurogroup meeting, finance ministers said they had decided to enhance "the flexibility and the scope of the EFSF." However, their statement did not specify whether this flexibility would include the ability to buy bonds on the secondary market.
In another sign that the ECB is no longer ready to offer central bank support where its deems fiscal support warranted, Mersch indicated that the ECB has not resumed its bond buys as markets had speculated last week. With the EFSF in place "we can consequently defend the strict distinction between monetary and fiscal policy," Mersch said.
Trichet said that the ECB will not do anything that would impair its "ability to be an anchor of confidence and stability" -- words echoed by Mersch, who said the central bank will focus instead on its main mandate of delivering price stability.
In order to do so, further rate hikes may be warranteed, Mersch hinted.
While he said that the ECB had not announced "a series of rate hikes" and is "never pre-committed," he also observed that "risks to growth are balanced, while risks to price stability lie on the upside," and the monetary pillar show no credit constraints.
At the same time, real interest rates are still negative, Mersch observed. "The whole available theory tells us about the danger of too-long periods of negative real rates. This is also an argument and we discuss it at every meeting in order to reach our goal of price stability in the medium term."
Topgun1976
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Pensa che in Manovra hanno abolito tutte e 473 agevolazioni alla popolazione(asili ecc) mentre loro si sono aumentati la paghetta di 1.000 euro?(14kMese) secondo te non è fomentazione della violenza?
tommy271
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Quando si dice casa comune ... oggi è ben visibile il movimento dei CDS rispetto allo spread.
Quello francese è cresciuto di 9 punti ad un record di 123 punti base, mentre quello tedesco si è avvicinato al livello più alto dal marzo 2009, a 65 pb.
Verso nuovi massimi, anche il CDS Grecia (+77 punti a 2492), Irlanda (+41 a 1175), Portogallo (+36 a 1182) e Italia ( +17 a 323).
I 2.492 pb del CDS greco indicano l'88% di probabilità di fallimento entro i prossimi cinque anni.
In Spagna, il premio di rischio si trova al livello più alto dallo scorso novembre (368) idem in Belgio (214 punti).
Quello francese è cresciuto di 9 punti ad un record di 123 punti base, mentre quello tedesco si è avvicinato al livello più alto dal marzo 2009, a 65 pb.
Verso nuovi massimi, anche il CDS Grecia (+77 punti a 2492), Irlanda (+41 a 1175), Portogallo (+36 a 1182) e Italia ( +17 a 323).
I 2.492 pb del CDS greco indicano l'88% di probabilità di fallimento entro i prossimi cinque anni.
In Spagna, il premio di rischio si trova al livello più alto dallo scorso novembre (368) idem in Belgio (214 punti).
METHOS
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... Ghe pensi mi
Ci vorrebbe qualche milionata
Io ho incominciato la settimana scorsa a prenderne un pò (stranamente ero scarico, ho solo robaccia
) e penso che nei prox giorni incrementerò. Venderò il mio amato etf hy (stabilissimo in questo periodo, sembra un bund) e mi metterò su un pò di scadenze medio lunghe. Con questi rendimenti la cosa si fa interessante. Tanto non credo che andremo in default e se ci andremo prima ci avranno levato anche la pelle.
tommy271
Forumer storico
Bce non ha acquistato bond zona euro anche in ultima settimana
lunedì 18 luglio 2011 15:37
FRANCOFORTE, 18 giugno (Reuters) - La Bce non ha effettuato alcun acquisto di governativi della zona euro sul mercato secondario la settimana scorsa ECB35.
E' ormai da metà marzo che Francoforte non procede ad acquisti di titoli di Stato, mantenendo il programma di fatto congelato.
La banca centrale ha inoltre annunciato per domani l'ormai consueta operazione di drenaggio fondi a una settimana, al tasso massimo dell'1,50%, finalizzata a sterilizzare la liquidità in eccesso generata dal programma di acquisti.
La cifra che la Bce intende assorbire è pari a 74 miliardi di euro, identica all'importo che rientra dal drenaggio di martedì scorso.
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Infondati, quindi, i rumors su un intervento BCE sui TdS italiani.
lunedì 18 luglio 2011 15:37
FRANCOFORTE, 18 giugno (Reuters) - La Bce non ha effettuato alcun acquisto di governativi della zona euro sul mercato secondario la settimana scorsa ECB35.
E' ormai da metà marzo che Francoforte non procede ad acquisti di titoli di Stato, mantenendo il programma di fatto congelato.
La banca centrale ha inoltre annunciato per domani l'ormai consueta operazione di drenaggio fondi a una settimana, al tasso massimo dell'1,50%, finalizzata a sterilizzare la liquidità in eccesso generata dal programma di acquisti.
La cifra che la Bce intende assorbire è pari a 74 miliardi di euro, identica all'importo che rientra dal drenaggio di martedì scorso.
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Infondati, quindi, i rumors su un intervento BCE sui TdS italiani.
tommy271
Forumer storico
Io ho incominciato la settimana scorsa a prenderne un pò (stranamente ero scarico, ho solo robaccia
Io ho ancora un poco di liquidità.
Vediamo martedì o mercoledì.
Settimana scorsa mi ero ripromesso di comprare, ma alla fine mi ero astenuto.
METHOS
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Ci trattano da grulli e probabilmente hanno ragione. Noi siamo qui a parlare di cdx e csx ma la casta non guarda queste sottigliezze, pensa solo a mangiare il più possibile a spese nostre. Oggi mi sono riguardato il filmato di Napolitano intervistato da un giornalista tedesco sul fatto che aveva preso un volo lowcost (90 euro) per andare a bruxells e veniva rimborsato a 800 euro. Si è fatto una cresta di 700 euro. Figurati cosa può fare uno come mastella o scajola...
METHOS
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Hai fatto bene, io come al solito sono stato troppo precipistoso. Però al momento sono ancora sotto al 5% di esposizione. Tu come sei messo e fino a quanto ti proponi di arrivare?
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