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BREAKINGVIEWS-Hugo Dixon: Greece could do with a new referendum - RTRS

10-Jul-2015 16:22:33

(The author is a Reuters Breakingviews guest columnist. The
opinions expressed are his own.)

By Hugo Dixon
LONDON, July 10 (Reuters Breakingviews) - Given the havoc
caused by Greece's first referendum, it might seem crazy to
advocate a second one. But if Alexis Tsipras this time
campaigned for "Yes" and the people took the Greek prime
minister's advice, a second vote would help resolve the main
conundrum bedeviling talks between Athens and its creditors: how
to restore trust. It would also give democratic legitimacy for
the U-turn Tsipras is performing.
The euro zone rightly has little confidence in Tsipras'
ability to implement any agreement they reach. His own radical
left Syriza party may split because many of its members of
parliament won't approve of the reforms and austerity outlined
in Greece’s latest proposal on July 9. Even though Tsipras will
probably get backing from pro-European opposition parties, he
will find it hard to implement tough measures. He will be
vulnerable to the accusation that he has gone against the wishes
of the people who voted "No" in favour of a deal that is likely
to be extremely similar to anything he now agrees.
Knowing this, some creditor countries such as Germany could
refuse to do a deal. They will wonder why they should lend
perhaps 80 billion euros to a man they don't trust.
If Tsipras proposed a second referendum and the people voted
emphatically for "Yes", these concerns would be eased. There
could also be a clear question on a proposal that was still on
the table and a minimum two-week campaign, rather than Sunday's
rushed plebiscite on a confused question about an offer that no
longer existed.
The creditors would have to be keen on this idea and lend
Athens enough bridge money to avoid defaulting on 3.5 billion
euros it owes the European Central Bank on July 20. The ECB
itself would have to agree to provide some liquidity to Greek
banks to keep them ticking over. To further restore trust, the
Greek parliament could approve the plan conditional on a “Yes”
vote.
If the creditors provide such help and the Greeks still vote
"No", they will lose some extra money in the short run. But in
that case there would be no chance of a successful
implementation anyway. On the other hand, if the people vote
"Yes", Greece's chances of ultimately getting out of the woods
will increase markedly.


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CONTEXT NEWS
- Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras appealed to his
party's lawmakers on July 10 to back a tough reform package
after abruptly offering last-minute concessions to try to save
the country from financial meltdown.
- Reuters: Greek PM Tsipras seeks party backing after abrupt
concessions [ID:nL8N0ZQ0G7]

- For previous columns by the author, Reuters customers can
click on [DIXON/]
(Editing by George Hay and Sarah Bailey)
(([email protected]))
((Reuters messaging:
[email protected]))
(On Twitter https://twitter.com/Hugodixon)


Keywords: EUROZONE GREECE/BREAKINGVIEWS

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BREAKINGVIEWS-Hugo Dixon: Greece could do with a new referendum - RTRS

10-Jul-2015 16:22:33

(The author is a Reuters Breakingviews guest columnist. The
opinions expressed are his own.)

By Hugo Dixon
LONDON, July 10 (Reuters Breakingviews) - Given the havoc
caused by Greece's first referendum, it might seem crazy to
advocate a second one. But if Alexis Tsipras this time
campaigned for "Yes" and the people took the Greek prime
minister's advice, a second vote would help resolve the main
conundrum bedeviling talks between Athens and its creditors: how
to restore trust. It would also give democratic legitimacy for
the U-turn Tsipras is performing.
The euro zone rightly has little confidence in Tsipras'
ability to implement any agreement they reach. His own radical
left Syriza party may split because many of its members of
parliament won't approve of the reforms and austerity outlined
in Greece’s latest proposal on July 9. Even though Tsipras will
probably get backing from pro-European opposition parties, he
will find it hard to implement tough measures. He will be
vulnerable to the accusation that he has gone against the wishes
of the people who voted "No" in favour of a deal that is likely
to be extremely similar to anything he now agrees.
Knowing this, some creditor countries such as Germany could
refuse to do a deal. They will wonder why they should lend
perhaps 80 billion euros to a man they don't trust.
If Tsipras proposed a second referendum and the people voted
emphatically for "Yes", these concerns would be eased. There
could also be a clear question on a proposal that was still on
the table and a minimum two-week campaign, rather than Sunday's
rushed plebiscite on a confused question about an offer that no
longer existed.
The creditors would have to be keen on this idea and lend
Athens enough bridge money to avoid defaulting on 3.5 billion
euros it owes the European Central Bank on July 20. The ECB
itself would have to agree to provide some liquidity to Greek
banks to keep them ticking over. To further restore trust, the
Greek parliament could approve the plan conditional on a “Yes”
vote.
If the creditors provide such help and the Greeks still vote
"No", they will lose some extra money in the short run. But in
that case there would be no chance of a successful
implementation anyway. On the other hand, if the people vote
"Yes", Greece's chances of ultimately getting out of the woods
will increase markedly.


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CONTEXT NEWS
- Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras appealed to his
party's lawmakers on July 10 to back a tough reform package
after abruptly offering last-minute concessions to try to save
the country from financial meltdown.
- Reuters: Greek PM Tsipras seeks party backing after abrupt
concessions [ID:nL8N0ZQ0G7]

- For previous columns by the author, Reuters customers can
click on [DIXON/]
(Editing by George Hay and Sarah Bailey)
(([email protected]))
((Reuters messaging:
[email protected]))
(On Twitter https://twitter.com/Hugodixon)


Keywords: EUROZONE GREECE/BREAKINGVIEWS

nL8N0ZQ375

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E questa ora? :mmmm:
 
Perchè se si deve andare al bail in delle Banche Greche, anche oggi National Bank of Greece va come un treno ?

Mica dico il contrario.
Sono un umile misuratore : constatavo solo l'impennata dai minimi a 0,87 a sopra 1,20.

Per arrivare ad un bail in sui senior : si devonbo azzerare le azioni, le subordinate e, prevedibilmente, pizzicare i depositi.

La Pireaus e' fortemente esposta con crediti sul porto, quindi una qualita' degli attivi leggermente superiore alla media mi avevano detto.

si dice ricap. di 10/14 miliardi per le banche

sapete a quanto ammonta il totale delle senior per le 4 banche?

le azioni di nbog vanno su su e poi? mah..
 
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si dice ricap. di 10/14 miliardi per le banche

sapete a quanto ammontano il totale delle senior per le 4 banche?

Certo che questi hanno fatto più danni della grandine.

Ciò che sono riusciti a fare in 6 mesi ha del clamoroso.

E sempre con il sorriso sulle labbra e l'entusiasmo della piazze.. Ditemi se questa é democrazia?!

Patetico..
 
Credo che ci sia qualcosa di sbagliato in Google Finance, se visualizzi il grafico a 5 anni si vedono valori anche vicino a 40 che vorrebbe dire capitalizzazione di 160 miliardi di € :lol::lol:, probabilmente non hanno armonizzato sul grafico valore azione/capitalizzazione

PIL Grecia $ 249.199 milioni
PIL Lombardia 337.161 milioni

Per le differenze di PIL tra Italia e Grecia non avevo fatto un confronto con Unicredit o Intesa, mi sembrava più logico fare un confronto con banche italiane regionali però con sportelli in quasi tutti Italia.

Sono già troppo esposto sulla Grecia per entrare adesso sull'azionariato, dopo la firma :tie: vedrò se puntare qualcosa su NBG-A e sull'Etf quotato su Borsaitaliana.

NBG ha fatto un paio di aumenti di capitale con azzeramento del valore precedente delle azioni e accorpamento di azioni e ADR per quelli si vedo valori storici iperbolici tipo MPS
 
Conclusa la teleconferenza tra i capi delle istituzioni






Finita teleconferenza tra i capi delle istituzioni, Jean-Claude Juncker, Christine Lagarde, e Mario Draghi Geroun Ntaiselmploum.


Secondo il rappresentante della Commissione, l'obiettivo era quello di concordare una posizione comune delle istituzioni sulle proposte greche, che questa volta è scritto e inviato per l'Eurogruppo.


Fonte: ANA-MPA
 

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