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gipa69

collegio dei patafisici
oggi ho chiuso il TF apero ieri.... d'altronde sono un debole di cuore e quando vedo un circa 6% in un giorno io me lo porto a casa.... bisognerebbe lasciar correre i guadagni ma vedo del consolidamento per la vicinanza dei test dei massimi....
Generali :) ancora un saluto (torna quando vuoie quando puoi) e due T o una T sempre di questo parliamo! :D

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Paperino

Forumer attivo
Ho appena letto un'altra statistica che indica come gli anni terminanti con la cifra "5" siano stati, negli USA, sempre positivi negli ultimi 120 anni. Requiem per gli orsi, e marcia trionfale per i tori!

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Jolly

Forumer attivo
Ciao Paperino,
copio ed incollo da CBS MarketWatch questo articolo di Peter Eliades:
Headed for a down cycle.
Commentary: Years ending in '5' always thrive?
SANTA ROSA, Calif. (SMC) <http://www.stockmarketcycles.com/> -- We believe investors are about to be bombarded with good news about the prospects for the stock market in 2005.
Indeed, a review of stock market performance since the inception of the Dow Jones Industrial Average in 1897 reveals some startling and very optimistic statistics relating to the fifth year within every decade.
There has never been a down year in a year ending in "5."
That, however, is only part of the story. Here are the results for the Dow Jones Industrial Average from the close on the last trading day of the year ending in "4" within each decade to the high close of the following year:
Year 12-Months
1995 36.0%
1985 28.2
1975 43.0
1965 10.9
1955 44.0
1945 29.0
1935 42.7
1925 32.3
1915 80.5
1905 38.7
Average gain 38.5%
In other words, if we assume the Dow Jones Industrial Average closes the year 2004 around its current level of 10,690, an average "5" year would produce a close of 14,804 sometime during 2005.
There is another fascinating statistic relating to the year ending in "5" within each decade. Virtually every one of these "5" years has registered its low for the year or within just a few percent of its low for the year in the month of January. Here are the statistics:
Year Date
1995 January 30
1985 January 4
1975 January 2
1965 January 4 Five days in June closed slightly lower.
1955 January 18
1945 January 24
1935 January 15 Nine days in March closed lower, then straight up.
1925 March 30 This was the only exception.
1915 January 2 February 24th closed less than 1 percent lower
1905 January 25
On average, the low for the year within the "5" year occurred around Jan. 22, from which point the market never looked back.
These are spectacular statistics which seem to be preparing us for a stock market year that will make everyone (but the Bears) happy.
But let's take a moment to play devil's advocate.
We started by saying that we felt investors would soon be bombarded with the type of news and statistics we've just presented to you. There's no denying that history has smiled upon the "5" year of each decade for the past century or longer, but therein lies part of the problem for the year 2005.
What everyone knows in the stock market is usually not worth knowing. Stockmarket Cycles began publicizing the mystique of the "5" year 20 years ago when very few people were aware of the phenomenon. In 1994, awareness was increased. As we approach 2005, we believe the publicity concerning the phenomenon will increase dramatically.
At the end of 1974, 1984, and 1994, adviser sentiment had been bearish for a significant percentage of the calendar year. Unfortunately, we are facing an almost exactly opposite sentiment picture that stands ready to be fuelled to even greater heights of bullishness by siren promises of another great "5" year.
By the end of 1974, there had been 42 weeks in that calendar year when the Investors Intelligence survey of investment advisers showed a plurality of bears over bulls. At the end of 1984, there had been 20 weeks showing a plurality of bears over bulls. At the end of 1994, the sentiment statistics had been so amazingly one-sided that there had been 47 weeks with a bearish plurality. It was a perfect set up for a spectacular 1995.
Absence of bears
Now we approach the end of the year 2004. What is the current sentiment picture? There was not a single week within the year that showed a plurality of bears over bulls. In fact, the plurality of bulls over bears remained so steadfast throughout the year that the smallest plurality was 9 percent.
What makes that all the more remarkable is that it was preceded by the same statistics throughout the year 2003 -- not a single week with a plurality of bears. There has been a mindset of steadfast bullishness for well over two years. The average plurality of weekly bulls over bears since March 2003 has been a staggering 31.4 percent.
To put these data in perspective, there have been only seven full calendar years in the history of Investors Intelligence data (since March 1964) where bullishness has been so great they have escaped without seeing even one week with a plurality of bears over bulls -- and only one other consecutive two-year pairing such as we are seeing in 2003-2004. The other consecutive year pairing occurred in 1999-2000. The other years were 1972, 1976, and 1983.
Here comes the killer statistic!
So far, each and every year that has failed to see even one weekly reading with a plurality of bears has been followed by a negative year. As we write this, the jury is still out for the year 2004. The Dow closed out 2003 with a reading of 10,453.92.
What is perhaps even more troubling is that the only other instance of consecutive years without a plurality of bears over bulls, 1999-2000, was followed by a decline of 41.8 percent by the Standard & Poor's 500 Index and 33.2 percent on the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
Based on these data and other sentiment data, and on the market's current valuation, we believe the odds favor a breaking of the win streak for the "5" year and we fear the market faces great vulnerability over at least the next 12 to18 months.
Here are a few clues to watch for in the coming year. We noted earlier that the "5" year within each decade has almost always registered its low for the year in January. Amazingly enough, the high for the year following years without one weekly plurality of bears over bulls has been registered within the first 10 trading days of January in four of the previous six cases, and before February 12 in five of the six cases.
We should have a strong indication of a bull or a bear year for 2005 by the end of February. If February registers a high above January, the odds favor an up year overall. Conversely, if February makes a lower high than January, the odds would favor a down year overall -- perhaps a big down year.
We will watch February with great interest.
By Peter Eliades, Stockmarket Cycles Last Update: 12:17 PM ET Dec. 22, 2004
 

gipa69

collegio dei patafisici
Ragazzi ragazzi.... ma voi non leggete il mio thread!! :D
La statistica del ciclo decennale è stata portata un mese fa circa e il commento di Eliades circa 10 giorni fa!
Comunque avete fatto bene a rirpoporli... :)
Qua il grafico che avevo postato.....

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Jolly

Forumer attivo
:ops:
Scusa Gipa, oltretutto sono pure recidivo!
Forse però non ti rendi conto di quanto carichi di compiti i tuoi allievi. :D
Ciao :)
 

gipa69

collegio dei patafisici
per quanto riguarda la statistica di gennaio ho trovato questo commento che è anche interessante per il mercato nel suo complesso (e cita anche le similitudini del nasdaq e del DJIA nel corso degli anni 30 (che interessa a Jolly):

The Market

Last week I mentioned that since 1900 when the year ends in the number "5" the Dow has always been up significantly. Meanwhile I'm also sure some of you have heard that the market's performance in January will give a clue to how the year will end up. Well I went back and researched that this week and here is a quick breakdown. Since 1928 there have been 52 times when the month of January has had a positive return for the Dow. Out of those 52 years 42 of them (81%) saw the Dow having a positive return for those years while 10 of them (19%) didn't. Meanwhile when the Dow had a negative return during the month of January which has occurred 24 times sine 1928 the Dow had a negative return for the year on 16 occasions (67%) while the other 8 occurrences (33%) ended up having a positive return. Thus from a statistical standpoint since 1928 there is a rather high probability than when the Dow has a positive return in the month of January that the year will end up positive as well 81% of the time. Of course there will always be some exceptions however I was actually surprised to see such a high percentage.
At any rate so far 2005 hasn't started out well as the major averages came under some pretty strong selling pressure this week. The Dow has dropped back to its 23.6% Retracement Level (calculated from the late October low to the late December high) however it still remains just above its 50 Day EMA (blue line) near 10550. If the Dow can hold support near its 50 Day EMA then this could lead to an eventual oversold rally. However if the Dow breaks below its 50 Day EMA this would likely lead to a larger drop back to the 10400 to 10420 range which is where its 100 Day EMA (green line) and 38.2% Retracement Level come into play at.
The Nasdaq got sold off hard this week and dropped below its 50 Day EMA (blue line) on Friday. If the Nasdaq can find support early next week at its intra day low on Friday near 2076 this could lead to an oversold bounce. However if the Nasdaq continues to drop instead then its next area of support would be in the 2020 to 2040 range which coincides with its 38.2% Retracement Level (calculated from the August low to the late December high) and 100 Day EMA (green line).
The S&P 500 has dropped back to around the 1180 level which is where its 23.6% Retracement Level (calculated from the August low to the late December high) and 50 Day EMA have converged at. One of two things will probably happen in the S&P 500. Either the S&P 500 will hold support near 1180 and then undergo an oversold bounce or it will break below 1180 leading to a drop back to the 1160 area which is where its 38.2% Retracement Level and 100 Day EMA (green line) reside at.
Meanwhile even if the major averages can hold support near their current levels and then undergo an oversold rally it still appears that they are potentially exhibiting the final upward wave in conjunction with an Elliot 5 Wave Pattern.
Also the current chart of the Nasdaq looks similar to the chart of the Dow in the 1930's as the Dow completed its 5 Wave Pattern in the early part of 1934 after making a bottom in 1932. Furthermore once the Dow completed its 5 Wave Pattern it then got stuck in a trading range between 85 and 110 from 1934 through the early part of 1935 before rallying strongly from the middle part of 1935 into 1936. Of course this doesn't necessarily mean the Nasdaq will act like the Dow did in the 1930's however their chart patterns are similar.


Questo è un altro articolo che presenta interessanti statistiche sul mese di gennaio ed in particolare sulla situazione attuale:

It is often said that the first 5 days of January set the trend for the month and January sets the trend for the year. The tables below explore that idea.

From 1/4/1928 to 12/31/2004
The number following the year is its position in the presidential cycle.
There are three columns of asterisks:
An asterisk in the first column means the first 5 days of January were down.
An asterisk in the second column means the month of January was down.
An asterisk in the last column means the year was down.
Avg is an average of the previous 5 years or 5 periods.

Jan Year
1928-4 0.1% 38.7%
1929-1 3.7% -11.9% * *
1930-2 7.6% -28.5% * *
1931-3 1.5% -47.1%
1932-4 0.9% -15.1% * *
1933-1 1.6% 46.6%
1934-2 10.5% -5.9% * *
Avg 4.42% -10.01%
1935-3 -4.3% 41.4% *
1936-4 6.8% 27.9%
1937-1 4.8% -38.6%
1938-2 1.6% 25.2%
1939-3 -6.0% -5.5% * * *
Avg 0.58% 10.09%
1940-4 -4.6% -15.3% * *
1941-1 -3.9% -17.9% * *
1942-2 -0.9% 12.4% *
1943-3 6.4% 19.4%
1944-4 1.6% 13.8%
Avg -0.27% 2.50%
1945-1 1.1% 30.7%
1946-2 7.7% -11.9% * *
1947-3 3.0% .0%
1948-4 -4.2% -.7% * *
1949-1 1.8% 10.3%
Avg 1.86% 7.12%
1950-2 2.3% 21.8%
1951-3 4.3% 16.5%
1952-4 1.4% 11.8%
1953-1 -0.6% -6.6% * * *
1954-2 4.5% 45.0%
Avg 2.40% 17.68%
1955-3 -0.3% 26.4% * *
1956-4 -3.0% 2.6% * *
1957-1 -3.2% -14.3% * * *
1958-2 3.4% 38.1%
1959-3 0.0% 8.5%
Avg -0.63% 12.25%
1960-4 -7.2% -3.0% * * *
1961-1 7.3% 23.1%
1962-2 -3.0% -11.8% * * *
1963-3 5.6% 18.9%
1964-4 2.1% 13.0%
Avg 0.98% 8.04%
1965-1 4.0% 9.1%
1966-2 0.8% -13.1%
1967-3 7.8% 20.1%
1968-4 -4.0% 7.7% *
1969-1 -0.9% -11.4% * * *
Avg 1.51% 2.47%
1970-2 -8.6% .1% *
1971-3 5.2% 10.8%
1972-4 2.2% 15.6%
1973-1 -2.6% -17.4% * *
1974-2 -1.1% -29.7% * * *
Avg -0.97% -4.11%
1975-3 9.6% 31.5%
1976-4 11.0% 19.1%
1977-1 -4.6% -11.5% * * *
1978-2 -4.9% 1.1% * *
1979-3 3.3% 12.3%
Avg 2.87% 10.51%
1980-4 7.9% 25.8%
1981-1 -5.0% -9.7% * * *
1982-2 -1.9% 14.8% * *
1983-3 5.0% 17.3%
1984-4 -0.4% 1.4% *
Avg 1.14% 9.90%
1985-1 8.6% 26.3% *
1986-2 1.0% 14.6% *
1987-3 11.2% 2.0%
1988-4 0.4% 12.4%
1989-1 8.0% 27.3%
Avg 5.87% 16.53%
1990-2 -8.5% -6.6% *
1991-3 5.4% 26.3% *
1992-4 -2.0% 4.5% *
1993-1 0.8% 7.1% *
1994-2 3.5% -1.5%
Avg -0.19% 5.95%
1995-3 2.5% 34.1%
1996-4 2.5% 20.3%
1997-1 6.7% 31.0%
1998-2 0.5% 26.7% *
1999-3 4.2% 19.5%
Avg 3.27% 26.32%
2000-4 -4.2% -10.1% * * *
2001-1 6.4% -13.0% * *
2002-2 -2.1% -23.4% * * *
2003-3 -5.9% 26.4% *
2004-4 2.0% .0%
Avg -0.73% -5.04%

Averages 1.5% 7.7% (for entire database)
Win% 64% 65% (for entire database)

The database covers 77 years.
Over that period the first 5 days of January have been down 25 times, 32%.
Of those 25 the whole month of January has been down 15 times, 60%.
Of those 25 the whole year has been down 16 times, 64%.

Over the 77 years the month of January has been down 27 times, 35%.
Of those 27 the whole year has been down 14 times, 52%.
Of the 15 times the first 5 days of January and the whole month of January have been down, the whole year has been down 11 times, 73%.
In 6 years the first 5 days of January were down while the month of January was up. In 4 of those years the whole year was up and 2 (1929 & 2001) the whole year was down.

Presidential year 1
Jan Totals
1929-1 3.7% -11.9% * *
1933-1 1.6% 46.6%
1937-1 4.8% -38.6%
1941-1 -3.9% -17.9% * *
1945-1 1.1% 30.7%
1949-1 1.8% 10.3%
1953-1 -0.6% -6.6% * * *
1957-1 -3.2% -14.3% * * *
1961-1 7.3% 23.1%
Avg 1.27% 8.64%
1965-1 4.0% 9.1%
1969-1 -0.9% -11.4% * * *
1973-1 -2.6% -17.4% * *
1977-1 -4.6% -11.5% * * *
1981-1 -5.0% -9.7% * * *
Avg -1.83% -8.18%
1985-1 8.6% 26.3% *
1989-1 8.0% 27.3%
1993-1 0.8% 7.1% *
1997-1 6.7% 31.0%
2001-1 6.4% -13.0% * *
Avg 6.11% 15.72%

Averages 1.8% 3.1%
Win% 63% 47%

The database covers 24 first presidential years.
In those 24 examples the first 5 days of January have been down 9 times, 37%.
Of those 9 the Month of January has been down 5 times, 56%.
Of those 9 the whole year has been down 7 times, 78%.

Every time the month of January has been down (7 occurrences) the whole year has been down, 100%.

In 4 years the first 5 days of January were down while the month of January was up. In 2 of those years (1985 & 1993) the whole year was up and the other 2 (1929 & 2001) it was down.

The first 5 days of January have a modest record of predicting the outcome of the month and a better record of predicting the outcome of the year. The month of January has a modest record for predicting the outcome of the year overall, but a very good record in the first year of the presidential cycle.

Six consecutive down days in early January on the NASDAQ occurred in 1991, 1978, 1969, 1968. The 1991 occurrence marked the beginning of a major rally the other three marked the beginning of minor rallies preceding significant declines.
 

gipa69

collegio dei patafisici
Cerchiamo di postare qua i grafici della similitudine 1932/1937 che ritengo al momento possibile al massimo al 30% di probabilità per una situazione economica differente ma che va presa in considerazione come tutte le altre:

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gipa69

collegio dei patafisici
Analisi di breve

Per il breve postiamo un bel grafico dello SPX con tutti i principali supporti, uno dei quali è testato in questo momento e potrebbe fare da supporto per un recupero del mercato tenuto conto anche del discreto ipervenduto formato.
Ma occorre continuare a monitorare il dollaro che potrebbe causare nuove chiusure di posizioni speculative nel caso di ulteriore discesa. Vero è che questa è la stagionalità preferita dai mercati azionari ed una loro debolezza (stiamo parlando di America) potrebbe essere attenuata dai flussi in entrata ma abbiamo già visto che nel caso di accelerazione i mercati sono vulnerabili. Tra parentesi c'è da notare che quando nel 1998 lo Yen giapponese in una situazione simile di pessimismo sulla valuta e pesanti posizioni speculative aperte contro, compì un rally del 30% contro dollaro nell'arco di 8 settimane.
La valuta US è sicuramente più scambiata e meno manipolabile e le posizioni speculative più complesse però occorre tenere presente questi possibili scenari per non trovarsi coinvolti in violenti movimenti dalla parte sbagliata dei mercati.


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patt

Forumer storico
Ciao Gipa!anche se non posto molto (i cioffers assorbono buona parte del mio tempo!! :lol: )ti/vi seguo sempre con interesse.... :)


piccolo contributo....sul breve il $VIX ha ricaricato le pile......allontanandosi dai minimi.

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.......considerati i ritracciamenti dell'ultima settiamana degl'indici americani si potrebbe ipotizzare che i mercati si preaprino ad allungare ulteriormente.......se non erro i muretti sulle opzioni e parlo di S&P li hanno messi attorno ai 1250pt.......forse il prossimo target....
 

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