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Imark

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Deutsche Stumble Poses New Capital Questions

JANUARY 14, 2009, 2:38 P.M. ET

How much longer can Deutsche Bank continue to convince investors it doesn't need to raise new capital?

The German giant has successfully maintained its high wire act since the start of the credit crisis despite being one of the most highly leveraged banks in the world. But Wednesday's warning of 4.8 billion euros lost in the fourth quarter is a major stumble.

Everyone knew the quarter would be grim, given the extreme volatility after the collapse of Lehman Brothers and the subsequent shock to global economic activity. But the scale of the loss puts Deutsche Bank's capital adequacy firmly back on the agenda.

What makes Deutsche's warning most troubling is that the losses have arisen not from traditional problem areas such as leveraged lending and commercial property -- exposures now mercifully virtually eliminated -- but across the bank's trading activities. Deutsche Bank consistently cites the supposed lower risk of these activities to justify its high leverage relative to other major banks -- Deutsche Bank has a tangible equity to total assets ratio of 1.8% the second lowest in its peer group, according to Morgan Stanley research.

True, Deutsche has promised to reduce leverage by scaling back on prop trading and shed 300 billion euros of assets over the quarter -- although this was partially offset by the rise in the value of derivative contracts as a result of increased volatility. Slashing the dividend and paying for its stake in Germany's Postbank in shares rather than cash should also help Deutsche achieve its target of 30 times leverage by the end of the first quarter, down from 38 times in mid-2008. The bank expects to continue to hit a Tier 1 capital ratio target of 10%.

But resisting pressure to raise capital is becoming an increasingly risky gamble. The shares have fallen by two thirds since September in line with the rest of the sector, suggesting the market is skeptical of Deutsche's claim to special status.

That skepticism is justified. Deutsche has less exposure than rivals to consumer and corporate loans and thus to the sharp deterioration in the real economy. But the ballooning stock of assets no longer marked to market -- including Level 3 assets and securities transferred from the trading book to the banking book -- has left the bank's balance sheet less transparent.

If investors conclude a major capital injection is necessary, raising the prospect of substantial dilution, Deutsche may find itself having to act against the backdrop of a confidence-sapping downward spiral in the shares. Best not to wait until that moment arrives.
 

Gianni.Mello

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Citigroup: Memo from Vikram Pandit to Citi employees (4.53 -1.37) -Update-
The following memo was distributed from Vikram Pandit to Citi employees earlier today. "Dear Citi Colleagues, I want to make sure you know that we've moved up our Q4 2008 earnings announcement to this coming Friday, January 16. Since we are ready to release 4th quarter earnings and talk about 2009 and the future, we saw no need to wait... The economic model of our business is sound and positions the company for success over the long term. The clarity we provide as we report earnings should address the psychology of the market. Until then, here are the things you should know: While we are embarked on a long-term transformation of Citi, our core mission is unchanged. Our goal is to streamline our operations, strengthen our balance sheet, position ourselves to take advantage of historic global growth opportunities, and deliver to clients all the benefits of our strength, insight, and unique global reach; We are and will remain a bank. We will continue to help clients save, borrow, invest, transact, and we will provide them advice; Our commitment to our clients remains unchanged. We will continue to deliver what our clients expect from us. That is our firm commitment. Please reiterate that to the customers and clients you speak with today...
 

METHOS

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BANK OF AMERICA: SUBITO ALTRI SOLDI DEL GOVERNO USA, ALTRIMENTI AFFONDA
di WSI
Il titolo del colosso bancario tocca i minimi degli ultimi 18 anni, dopo la diffusione di un rumor secondo cui il governo Usa starebbe per pompare svariati altri miliardi di dollari in BofA (dai fondi TARP) per evitarne il collasso.

Il titolo del colosso bancario Bank of America ha toccato i minimi degli ultimi 18 anni in after hours dopo la diffusione di un rumor, da parte del Wall Street Journal che lo ha pubblicato sull'edizione online, secondo cui il governo Usa starebbe per pompare svariati altri miliardi di dollari in BofA per evitarne il collasso, miliardi in aggiunta a quelli che la banca ha gia' ricevuto qualche settimana fa dai fondi pubblici TARP.
In un mercato e uno scenario economico che continuano a dare senza tregua segni di peggioramento, gli istituti bancari piu' a rischio sono in questo momento Citigroup e Bank of America, visto che ambedue stanno facendo la seconda richiesta di fondi di emergenza alla Federal Reserve e al Ministero del Tesoro Usa.


Bank of America e' in enormi difficolta' per la gestione dell'acquisizione (dal 1 gennaio) di Merrill Lynch, scrive il WSJ. Il titolo e' calato di oltre -5% nell'after hours, toccando il minimo assoluto dal 1991.
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METHOS

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Bank of America to Get Billions in U.S. Aid

Sides Finalizing Terms for Fresh Bailout Cash; Lender Told Treasury That Without Funds, It Couldn't Close Deal for Ailing Merrill


By DAN FITZPATRICK, DAMIAN PALETTA and SUSANNE CRAIG

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. government is close to finalizing a deal that would give billions in additional aid to Bank of America Corp. to help it close its acquisition of Merrill Lynch & Co., according to people familiar with the situation.
Discussions over these funds began in mid-December when Bank of America approached the Treasury Department. The bank, already the recipient of $25 billion in committed federal rescue funds, said that it was unlikely to complete its Jan. 1 purchase of the ailing Wall Street securities firm because of Merrill's larger-than-expected losses in the fourth quarter, according to a person familiar with the talks.
Treasury, concerned the deal's failure could affect the stability of U.S. financial markets, agreed to work with the Charlotte, N.C., lender on the "formulation of a plan" that includes new capital from the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, according to the person familiar with the talks. The amount and terms are still being finalized, this person said. Details are expected to be announced with Bank of America's fourth-quarter earnings, due out Tuesday.
Any possible arrangement might protect Bank of America from losses on Merrill's bad assets. There would be a cap on the amount of losses the bank would have to absorb, with the federal government being on the hook for the remainder, said one person familiar with the matter.
Both the Federal Reserve and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., alongside the Treasury, are involved in the negotiations, say people familiar with them. That suggests that the aid could take a similar form to the hand extended to Citigroup Inc. late last year.
The commitment of funds is further evidence of the banking system's delicate condition and its hunger for more capital, despite billions of dollars already invested in financial institutions by the government. So far, the U.S. has already injected $25 billion into Bank of America, which includes $10 billion that Merrill Lynch would have received if the sale to Bank of America had not closed.
The talks with Bank of America were driven by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, people familiar with the matter said, because he was concerned that without help the deal wouldn't close, leaving Merrill adrift. When the merger closed at the beginning of this year, it was with the understanding the two sides would hammer out a plan afterwards, said a person familiar with the talks.
The Treasury has committed the entire first half of its TARP funds, although some of it remains unspent. Earlier this week, President George W. Bush formally notified Congress that he was seeking access to the second half of the funds on behalf of President-elect Barack Obama. Congress has yet to release the money.
One person familiar with the matter said Bank of America would receive TARP funds, making use of the difference between the money committed and spent. In essence, as it did with aid to Detroit, the Bush administration is spending funds not yet approved by Congress that would otherwise go to an Obama Treasury.
Lawmakers, who are widely unhappy with how the TARP program has been run, have spent the week discussing what kinds of new conditions they would like to impose on recipients of funds in the second tranche. They would like to see more spending on aid for homeowners. Obama officials have expressed their desire to gain access to the additional funds quickly. A key vote in the Senate could come Thursday or Friday.
Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke said Tuesday that he'd like to see much of the second half spent to support the financial system, where continuing weakness is causing alarm among policymakers.
In the end, investors and financial institutions could face as much as $2 trillion of losses from bad U.S. loans and bonds, far more than anybody thought even a few months ago. A sustained recovery for markets and the economy is unlikely until the hole is filled. Bank stocks are falling sharply as investors come to grips with the worsening outlook for loan losses.
Analysts at Goldman Sachs were the latest to raise estimates of potential U.S. loan losses. In a report released late Tuesday night, Goldman economists estimated that losses from delinquent U.S. residential mortgages alone would hit $1.1 trillion as home prices sink, up from an earlier estimate of $780 billion.
Add in losses from commercial real estate, credit cards, auto debt and business debt, and Goldman's loan-loss estimate hits $2.1 trillion. Only half of those losses have yet been recognized. Many will be borne by investors and banks overseas. The estimate doesn't count losses that U.S. institutions will take on bad overseas loans that they hold.
Bank of America is expected by some analysts to report a loss for the fourth quarter, or at least a smaller profit than expected. It is not known exactly how much Merrill lost in the same time period. Merrill's problems largely stem from the deterioration of assets on its books and trading losses, said a person familiar with the matter.
Bank of America's heft and diversity helped buffer it through the early stages of this financial crisis. But the U.S. bank is now broadly exposed to the nation's economic ills. With its recent acquisitions of troubled California mortgage lender Countrywide Financial Corp. and Merrill, the bank is now a major player in every corner of the battered U.S. financial system. It has its hand in credit cards, home mortgages, underwriting, merger advice and wealth management, all areas that are under stress during one of the deepest recessions since World War II.
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John Thain



The deal between Bank of America and Merrill was forged during the hectic weekend last September that saw Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. collapse and giant insurer American International Group Inc. start to unravel. Merrill Chief Executive John Thain, worried his firm would be next, pressed for a quick deal.
In the aftermath of Bank of America's acquisition of Merrill -- valued at $50 billion when it was announced and worth $19.36 billion when it closed -- its chief executive, Kenneth D. Lewis, was viewed as a savior of the financial-services industry, having rescued both Merrill and Countrywide without government assistance. Mr. Lewis had also argued that Bank of America didn't need the first round of federal rescue funds that the Treasury offered last fall.
"These were funds we did not need and did not seek," Mr. Lewis told employees late in 2008.
The request for additional funds may feed criticism that Mr. Lewis overreached during a time of crisis to expand his operation. Mr. Lewis "has hit a stumbling block here -- the economy," said Nancy Bush, a banking analyst with NAB Research LLC in Annandale, N.J. "I think he will have to stop doing deals."
Analysts, worried about rising unemployment and a pullback by U.S. consumers, have been slashing Bank of America's estimates for the fourth quarter. Some are predicting a loss and arguing that Bank of America will be forced to cut its dividend once again as a way of shoring up capital.
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Kenneth Lewis



Jeffrey Harte of Sandler O'Neill & Partners revised his fourth-quarter forecast this week to a loss, citing capital-markets losses and rising credit costs. He predicted $2.3 billion in write-downs associated with collateralized debt obligations and subprime-mortgage-backed securities. Citigroup Inc. analyst Keith Horowitz said the bank might record a $3.6 billion fourth-quarter loss.
Bank of America is also reeling from two high-level Merrill departures within a week and concerns about cultural tensions between the two firms.
Mr. Lewis has already recommended his board not award top executives bonuses for 2008, warning that performance would be below expectations. Having received billions in federal aid, he faces pressure to show the bank is grappling with its problems -- beyond the 30,000 to 35,000 job cuts it has already announced -- and is making significant contributions to a U.S. recovery.
To that end, the bank intends to break out new loan originations made during the fourth quarter, a first-time disclosure it hopes will mitigate concerns about new lending.
—Jon Hilsenrath and Deborah Solomon contributed to this article. Write to Dan Fitzpatrick at [email protected], Damian Paletta at [email protected] and Susanne Craig at [email protected]
 
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Broker88

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BANK OF AMERICA: SUBITO ALTRI SOLDI DEL GOVERNO USA, ALTRIMENTI AFFONDA
di WSI
Il titolo del colosso bancario tocca i minimi degli ultimi 18 anni, dopo la diffusione di un rumor secondo cui il governo Usa starebbe per pompare svariati altri miliardi di dollari in BofA (dai fondi TARP) per evitarne il collasso.

Il titolo del colosso bancario Bank of America ha toccato i minimi degli ultimi 18 anni in after hours dopo la diffusione di un rumor, da parte del Wall Street Journal che lo ha pubblicato sull'edizione online, secondo cui il governo Usa starebbe per pompare svariati altri miliardi di dollari in BofA per evitarne il collasso, miliardi in aggiunta a quelli che la banca ha gia' ricevuto qualche settimana fa dai fondi pubblici TARP.
In un mercato e uno scenario economico che continuano a dare senza tregua segni di peggioramento, gli istituti bancari piu' a rischio sono in questo momento Citigroup e Bank of America, visto che ambedue stanno facendo la seconda richiesta di fondi di emergenza alla Federal Reserve e al Ministero del Tesoro Usa.


Bank of America e' in enormi difficolta' per la gestione dell'acquisizione (dal 1 gennaio) di Merrill Lynch, scrive il WSJ. Il titolo e' calato di oltre -5% nell'after hours, toccando il minimo assoluto dal 1991.
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Ed io che pensavo che fatta la fusione eravamo salvi :wall::wall::wall:

Invece no, la "piccola" Merrill sta affossando la "grande BofA :specchio::specchio::specchio:


Per fortuna che oramai è scontato il salvataggio, e la cosa è evidente sui bond sia di BofA che di Merrill che sostanzialmente non hanno accusato il colpo seppur continuano stranamente (?) ad avere rendimenti separati, come se Merrill fosse più rischiosa di BofA anche se sono la stessa cosa :-?
 

METHOS

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Ed io che pensavo che fatta la fusione eravamo salvi :wall::wall::wall:

Invece no, la "piccola" Merrill sta affossando la "grande BofA :specchio::specchio::specchio:


Per fortuna che oramai è scontato il salvataggio, e la cosa è evidente sui bond sia di BofA che di Merrill che sostanzialmente non hanno accusato il colpo seppur continuano stranamente (?) ad avere rendimenti separati, come se Merrill fosse più rischiosa di BofA anche se sono la stessa cosa :-?

Se va giù bofa si porta dietro mezza america visto ormai le dimensioni monstre che ha raggiunto con il merge con merrill.
 

Imark

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Chiedono altri fondi TARP

Bank of America in talks for more bailout funds

Thursday January 15, 2009, 4:56 am EST

WASHINGTON/NEW YORK (Reuters) - Bank of America (NYSE:BAC - News), the largest U.S. bank, is close to getting billions of dollars more in federal support from taxpayers, a person familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.

As Congress debated the future of the government's $700-billion financial markets rescue program, the source said that Bank of America has struggled to digest its January 1 buyout of former Wall Street brokerage giant Merrill Lynch & Co.

Merrill's fourth quarter losses exceeded expectations and spurred Bank of America in mid-December to start talking to the U.S. Treasury Department, which is managing the bailout.

U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson was driving the talks out of concern that Bank of America might be unable to complete the buyout, cutting Merrill adrift, the Wall Street Journal reported earlier on Wednesday.

The size and terms of any aid that could result are still being finalized, with details expected to be announced with Bank of America's fourth-quarter earnings, due out January 20.

In after-hours trading, Bank of America's shares dropped more than 5 percent to the lowest level since 1991. During Wednesday's trading session, Bank of America's shares dropped 4.2 percent to $10.20, down 28 percent so far this year.

Bank of America declined to comment. The White House declined to comment on the original report in the Wall Street Journal, as did a U.S. Treasury spokeswoman.

NEW URGENCY FOR TARP

The news came as President-elect Barack Obama pressured Congress to release a second installment of $350 billion for the bailout program known as the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP. It was first approved in October.

Treasury has already committed $350 billion under the TARP, largely to shore up the balance sheets of large banks, but critics say the banking industry remains in desperate straits.

"The first round of TARP didn't give (Bank of America) the ability to build tangible equity, as well as fund Merrill Lynch, as well as handle loan losses and get rid of the problems on their balance sheets," said Christopher Marinac, an analyst at FIG Partners in Atlanta, Ga.

"The reality is that they need more common equity -- TARP may not be enough."

Bank of America and Merrill Lynch together received $25 billion from the TARP in October.

On Thursday, the U.S. House is expected to vote on a bill that would impose stricter terms and conditions on banks that want TARP money. A number of lawmakers who backed the initial TARP funding last year faced voter backlash in the November 4 congressional election.

As of Tuesday, the Treasury Department had paid out $271.7 billion from the initial $350 billion tranche of TARP, leaving a $78.3 billion balance in the bailout fund. All of the money, however, has been earmarked for various uses.

Of the $250 billion allocated to bank capital injections, Treasury had paid out $192.3 billion to 257 institutions, leaving $57.7 billion. The department is now sifting through funding requests from thousands of community banks, which have until February 13 to apply for TARP money.

DANGER SIGNS

The ominous news about Bank of America's need for more help came amid new danger signs for the financial sector.

Citigroup's share price tumbled below $5 a share on Wednesday, the lowest since a government rescue in November, on growing uncertainty about its future. More bad news may come on Friday, when analysts expect Citigroup to report a fifth straight quarter of multibillion-dollar losses.

Once the world's largest bank, Citigroup is expected to shrink by about one-third as it sheds unwanted businesses to survive. It has received $45 billion in taxpayer funds from the TARP, including $20 billion in November to avoid a collapse.

Merrill CEO John Thain negotiated the sale of the brokerage and investment bank, which had been rocked by billions of dollars in toxic assets, to Bank of America in mid-September.

It occurred on the same weekend that rival Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc filed for bankruptcy protection.

Some analysts saw the deal as a coup for Bank of America CEO Kenneth Lewis, who also used the bank's relative strength to buy Countrywide Financial, formerly the nation's largest mortgage lender, but the bank's stock has since slumped.
 

Broker88

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Dici che sarà un salvataggio stile Citigroup con le garanzie per 300 mld sulle perdite oppure emettono direttamente azioni privilegiate e se le prende il Governo come quando ci fu il primo giro di ricapitalizzazioni per le 9 più grandi banche?
 

Imark

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Dici che sarà un salvataggio stile Citigroup con le garanzie per 300 mld sulle perdite oppure emettono direttamente azioni privilegiate e se le prende il Governo come quando ci fu il primo giro di ricapitalizzazioni per le 9 più grandi banche?

Entro il 20 gennaio daranno l'annuncio, per cui c'è caso che già domani o ad inizio prossima settimana si abbiano indiscrezioni circa le modalità con cui hanno deciso di intervenire... per ora leggo che si tratterebbe di nuovi fondi TARP...
 

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