Obbligazioni perpetue e subordinate Tutto quello che avreste sempre voluto sapere sulle obbligazioni perpetue... - Cap. 2

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Grazie a tutti per l'aiuto. Riteniamo che Bawag sia molto sottovalutata e con la presente email non riteniamo di poter cambiar le cose ma almeno fare arrivare tante voci diverse a IR di Bawag.



Da inviare a email adress: [email protected]


To the attention of Mr Henke and Mr Del Fabro,

I am an investor in both of the following hybrid capital securities issued by Bawag:

Bawag Cap Fin Jersey II DE0008600966
and
Bawag Cap Fin Jersey XS0119643897

I am writing to you regarding the many liabilities management operations ( ie buy back of hybrid securities ) that are happening on the market.
All the banks are making great profits and increasing their Core Tier 1 ratio in a very cheap way. Most of the European banks have done it and most recently Unicredit, Credit Agricole, Banco Popolare and Banca Intesa.
Regarding Austria, Bank of Austria Unicredit Group has made an offer on 2 different issues targeted to retail and institutional therefore I can imagine that even the Austrian Central bank has approved such kind of transaction. The result of this last offer was pretty good as almost 65% of the total was tendered.

I have noticed that yesterday Bawag has made an offer to buyback a covered bond with a loss ( buying it above par ) and with zero impact on capital. Would you pls explain me the reason why Bawag has not moved yet in making a tender offer on the above mentioned hybrid securities ? The more time passes the more the prices of these securities move higher and the more Bawag should pay in an hypothetical tender offer. At the beginning of the year the security XS0119643897 was trading at around 40% and it is now trading at around 60% that represents, out of the total Eur 150 mio issue, in case of a future tender offer a missed profit of already Euro 30,000,000. Including the other hybrid security the missed potential total profit I have calculated so far is around Euro 40,000,000. This profit could have been easily utilized in increasing the total capital of the bank in a very cheap way.

We have reason to believe that there is still time to make a profitable tender offer. We have been calculating that a tender offer at 75% on XS0119643897 and 75% on DE0008600966 with an acceptance ratio of the tender offer at 70% could mean a profit for Bawag of around Euro 52,500,000.

I thank you in advance for your answer,

with best regards,

Mandata. Ho tagliato la parte in grassetto. Non vorrei mai che facessero un'OPA al ribasso...:eek:
 
Ciao Vet, poche settimane fa si vendeva Intesa 506 a 70,65 e si comprava UNI 059 a 55...quasi il 30% di differenza.

il periodo a cui fai riferimento e' probabilmente prima che uc facesse l 'AUC ...... mentre intesa l'aveva già fatto ..... infatti il dissalineamento rendeva uni extra buy ......in periodo normali vedrai che la diff e di un paio di punti
 
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aderire all'opa INTESA ?

seguendo lo spunto offerto da alcuni (amorgos per primo), ovvero, per valutare la convenienza di aderire all'opa intesa: cosa fare con i soldi dopo aver aderito ?
ipotizziamo 3 scenari di cui 2 estremi e uno mediano.
la riflessione è su INTESA 506 che rende il 10% alla call su un prezzo di 91 e 9% di cedola, sia prima che post call.
1) non sono strettamente indispensabili per il futuro,
2) ipotizzo lo scenario peggiore, ovvero che nessuno calli più alla scadenza ma tutti aspettino il 31.12.2022 per ritirare i propri titoli,
3) il mercato andrà avanti tra alti e bassi con i suoi ritmi naturali.

risposte:

1) allora vado a cercare qualche escort :D:D:D,
2) scelgo un medio emittente che alla scadenza mi renda di più che intesa, anche se a questi prezzi è difficile trovarlo, oppure mi tengo intesa,
se cambio posso prendere dei cumulative bonds tipo AXA XS0188935174 che rende al 2022 il 15,24%,CNP sia la FR0010093328 che la FR0010941484, la FORTIS BE0117584202, o scendendo di un livello nella qualità, GROUPAMA, MPS o SNS
3) mi tengo INTESA, il 10% oggi chi me lo offre ?

qualche commento ?
 
mia operatività:
1)aderito totalmente opa baca
2)al 50% per unicredit
3)totalmente banca popolare
4)non do invece le Intesa e le Popolare Lodi anche perchè poi non saprei cosa comprare
Visti l'ingenti quantitavi, gain incassato 30 k, e grande gain virtuale su Intesa e Lodi sperando che continui la salita
 
Ciao Vet, poche settimane fa si vendeva Intesa 506 a 70,65 e si comprava UNI 059 a 55...quasi il 30% di differenza.

Con l'adc a buon fine io preferisco uc. Intesa è troppo italiana temo che possa ballare. Se è vero che la diversificazione aiuta , uc è meglio... comunque credo che alla fine si tratti solo di qualvhe punto di differenza
 
Grazie a tutti per l'aiuto. Riteniamo che Bawag sia molto sottovalutata e con la presente email non riteniamo di poter cambiar le cose ma almeno fare arrivare tante voci diverse a IR di Bawag.



Da inviare a email adress: [email protected]


To the attention of Mr Henke and Mr Del Fabro,

I am an investor in both of the following hybrid capital securities issued by Bawag:

Bawag Cap Fin Jersey II DE0008600966
and
Bawag Cap Fin Jersey XS0119643897

I am writing to you regarding the many liabilities management operations ( ie buy back of hybrid securities ) that are happening on the market.
All the banks are making great profits and increasing their Core Tier 1 ratio in a very cheap way. Most of the European banks have done it and most recently Unicredit, Credit Agricole, Banco Popolare and Banca Intesa.
Regarding Austria, Bank of Austria Unicredit Group has made an offer on 2 different issues targeted to retail and institutional therefore I can imagine that even the Austrian Central bank has approved such kind of transaction. The result of this last offer was pretty good as almost 65% of the total was tendered.

I have noticed that yesterday Bawag has made an offer to buyback a covered bond with a loss ( buying it above par ) and with zero impact on capital. Would you pls explain me the reason why Bawag has not moved yet in making a tender offer on the above mentioned hybrid securities ? The more time passes the more the prices of these securities move higher and the more Bawag should pay in an hypothetical tender offer. At the beginning of the year the security XS0119643897 was trading at around 40% and it is now trading at around 60% that represents, out of the total Eur 150 mio issue, in case of a future tender offer a missed profit of already Euro 30,000,000. Including the other hybrid security the missed potential total profit I have calculated so far is around Euro 40,000,000. This profit could have been easily utilized in increasing the total capital of the bank in a very cheap way.

We have reason to believe that there is still time to make a profitable tender offer. We have been calculating that a tender offer at 75% on XS0119643897 and 75% on DE0008600966 with an acceptance ratio of the tender offer at 70% could mean a profit for Bawag of around Euro 52,500,000.

I thank you in advance for your answer,

with best regards,

Mandata. Ho tagliato la parte in grassetto. Non vorrei mai che facessero un'OPA al ribasso...:eek:

Mandata anch'io :eek: Grazie Max e Luca :up:
 
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