Obbligazioni perpetue e subordinate Tutto quello che avreste sempre voluto sapere sulle obbligazioni perpetue... - Cap. 2 (11 lettori)

[Joe Silver]

Ageas 8%

sì ho accumulato anch'io ieri all'incirca a quel prezzo, adesso siamo a 97.44

Comprate questa mattina a 97,24.
Per quanto riguarda i CDS di CNP, non li riporta nemmeno Markit.

 

[bia06]

margine 30?

perdonami rott, cosa vuol dire a margine 30%?

grazie

 

[reef]

perdonami rott, cosa vuol dire a margine 30%?

grazie

Ne ho parlato io, non Rott

Vuol dire che per comprare 10000 per euro te ne bastano 3000 di liquidità. Gli altri 7000 te li prestano loro (a tassi non troppo convenienti... E' utile per operazioni piuttosto veloci o per mettersi in denaro su più emittenti se hai insufficiente liquidità disponibile sul c/c).

 

[bia06]

OKKIO alla Wienerberger

dati in peggioramento, non è un caso che pur in presenza di un mercato bullish l'azione sia passata da 9€ a 5,9€.....
I semestre 2012: EBTDA -16% in valore assoluto vs I sem 2011 (dal 13 al 10%, quindi -25%, in %)
Free cash flow generato - 29 M€ su 1 Bill Fatturato vs +18 M€ generati nella Ia metà 2011.......trend bruttino-ino

Se non rimborsa alla call (e qui il discorso reputazionale non si pone) renderà il 3,5% con l'euribor attuale.............fate vobis........

 

[bia06]

si, scusami.....

si....a che tassi, +/-?
ancora grazie

Ne ho parlato io, non Rott

Vuol dire che per comprare 10000 per euro te ne bastano 3000 di liquidità. Gli altri 7000 te li prestano loro (a tassi non troppo convenienti... E' utile per operazioni piuttosto veloci o per mettersi in denaro su più emittenti se hai insufficiente liquidità disponibile sul c/c).

 

[gionmorg]

OKKIO alla Wienerberger

dati in peggioramento, non è un caso che pur in presenza di un mercato bullish l'azione sia passata da 9€ a 5,9€.....
I semestre 2012: EBTDA -16% in valore assoluto vs I sem 2011 (dal 13 al 10%, quindi -25%, in %)
Free cash flow generato - 29 M€ su 1 Bill Fatturato vs +18 M€ generati nella Ia metà 2011.......trend bruttino-ino

Se non rimborsa alla call (e qui il discorso reputazionale non si pone) renderà il 3,5% con l'euribor attuale.............fate vobis........

La call è tra 5 anni, un tempo biblico.

Rating Action: Moody's downgrades Wienerberger's CFR to Ba2, Outlook stable
Global Credit Research - 26 Apr 2012
NOTE: On October 15, 2012, the press release was revised as follows: In the first paragraph, second sentence, add LGD Rates for subordinated and senior unsecured Medium Term Notes. The complete corrected sentence reads as follows: "Concurrently we have downgraded the rating on Wienerberger's EUR500 million subordinated notes to B1 (LGD6, 97%) and the rating on the group's senior unsecured Medium Term Notes to Ba2 (LGD4, 61%).” Revised release follows:

Frankfurt am Main, April 26, 2012 -- Moody's Investors Services has today downgraded the Probability of Default and Corporate Family ratings of Wienerberger AG by one-notch to Ba2. Concurrently we have downgraded the rating on Wienerberger's EUR500 million subordinated notes to B1 (LGD6, 97%) and the rating on the group's senior unsecured Medium Term Notes to Ba2 (LGD4, 61%). The outlook on all ratings is stable. This concludes Moody's review for possible downgrade initiated on 17 February 2012.

RATINGS RATIONALE

The downgrade of Wienerberger's Corporate Family rating reflects the group's weak credit metrics for the current Ba1 rating category with RCF/Net debt of 17.6% at fiscal year-end 2011 versus expectations of close to 20% for the current rating category, especially taking into account the fact that 2011 was possibly a peak or close-to-peak year in the current economic cycle. The downgrade to Ba2 also reflects Wienerberger's exposure to the highly volatile markets of new residential construction , a low, albeit recently improved interest coverage as measured by EBIT/Interest of 1.3x per end of 2011, and the group's weak profitability as measured by EBIT / Average Assets and if compared to most European peers in the building materials industry. Moody's expects that trading conditions over the next twelve to eighteen months will be challenging as a result of continued sovereign tensions and declining consumer confidence. Wienerberger will also face relatively strong comparatives going into 2012 in certain markets such as Germany, France and Poland, which could make it difficult to improve credit metrics further in 2012.

At the same time Wienerberger will close the debt-financed acquisition of a 50% stake in Pipelife (Wienerberger currently owns 50% of Pipelife) for a cash consideration of EUR162 million (plus EUR10 million of dividends to be paid to Solvay, the seller). Wienerberger will consolidate EUR71 million of net indebtedness at Pipelife (no change of control triggered by acquisitions through core shareholder). The acquisition of Pipelife makes strategic sense and will support the group's efforts to diversify away from the cyclical new residential construction markets. Despite being debt-financed the acquisition of Pipelife will have only limited impact on the credit metrics of the group given the low leverage of Pipelife on a standalone basis and the fact that Wienerberger only has to acquire 50% of Pipelife to be able to fully consolidate this entity. The consolidation of Pipelife will be ROCE accretive and will help Wienerberger restore a stronger ROCE.

Wienerberger has a solid liquidity profile. The group had EUR504 million of cash on balance sheet at 31st December 2011 and EUR250 million availability under the group's revolving credit facilities. Wienerberger has issued EUR200 million of bonds in Q1 2012, the proceeds of which have been received beginning of February. The group's internal and external liquidity sources should be more than sufficient to fund the acquisition price of EUR172 million (EUR70 million of net indebtedness will not have to be refinanced), to cover EUR452 million of maturities over the next twelve months and to cover other cash needs over the next twelve months (mainly capex, working capital, dividends and working cash). Moody's also notes that Wienerberger has ample headroom under its financial covenants even pro-forma of the acquisition of Pipelife.

Wienerberger will be comfortably positioned in the Ba2 rating category pro-forma of the acquisition of Pipelife. A stronger market recovery than currently anticipated coupled with a conservative financial policy leading to sustained positive free cash flow generation as well an improvement in RCF/Net debt towards 20% and EBIT / Interest towards 2.0x could lead to a rating upgrade over time. (Non per questo l'outlook è stabile)

A sharp deterioration in market conditions leading to materially negative free cash flow generation and RCF/Net debt (pro-forma of the acquisition of Pipelife) dropping sustainably below 15% would exert negative pressure on Wienerberger's rating. EBIT / Interest dropping below 1.0x would also exert negative pressure on the ratings.

The principal methodology used in rating Wienerberger AG was the Global Building Materials Industry Methodology published in July 2009. Other methodologies used include Loss Given Default for Speculative-Grade Non-Financial Companies in the U.S., Canada and EMEA published in June 2009. Please see the Credit Policy page on Moody's - credit ratings, research, tools and analysis for the global capital markets for a copy of these methodologies.

Headquartered in Vienna, Austria, Wienerberger AG is the world's largest brick manufacturer and Europe's largest producer of clay roof tiles. The group produces bricks, clay roof tiles, pavers and clay and plastic pipes in 230 plants and operates in 27 countries worldwide and five export markets. The company's main markets are North America (7% of 2011sales), Central-West Europe (22% of 2011 sales), North-West Europe (40% of 2011 sales) and Central-East Europe (29% of 2011 sales). Wienerberger generated revenues of EUR 2.0 billion in fiscal year 2011.

Devono metabolizzare l'acquisizione.

 

[fabriziof]

controcorrente io ho preso ageas XS0362491291 a 97

ce l'hai ancora le industriali ?io oggi ho salutato solvay (6 punti da giugno + rateo),tempo fa omv e voestalpine.onori militari a chi ha retto la baracca nei tempi bui

 

[Joe Silver]

Raging Bull

Per gli amanti dei subordinati industriali (mi sembra che Chris in particolare sia uno di questi) segnalo che la EnBW XS0674277933 ha superato i 110 e secondo me salirà ancora.
Per 4-5 mesi dall'emissione si comprava sui 100 ma è stata trascurata (non da me per fortuna).

 

[fabriziof]

Per gli amanti dei subordinati industriali (mi sembra che Chris in particolare sia uno di questi) segnalo che la EnBW XS0674277933 ha superato i 110 e secondo me salirà ancora.
Per 4-5 mesi dall'emissione si comprava sui 100 ma è stata trascurata (non da me per fortuna).

questa la tengo ancora...

 

[Joe Silver]

Per gli amanti dei subordinati industriali (mi sembra che Chris in particolare sia uno di questi) segnalo che la EnBW XS0674277933 ha superato i 110 e secondo me salirà ancora.
Per 4-5 mesi dall'emissione si comprava sui 100 ma è stata trascurata (non da me per fortuna).

Volevo dire Cris, mi è scappata una H di troppo (H come Helvetia)