Obbligazioni societarie GM, Ford, Chrysler: il 3D dell'automotive USA (2 lettori)

paologorgo

Chapter 11
sui tempi chi pensa sia possibile realmente chiudere entro 90 giorni ? non mi ricordo dove ma ho letto che si pensa di perdere circa 20 miliardi in 9 settimane
finora 'investiti' nel settore una cinquantina di miliardi ... 50.167.778.971 per l'esattezza pagina 9 http://www.financialstability.gov/docs/transaction-reports/transactions-report060109.pdf

bisogna capirsi sul "chiudere": se ci si riferisce alla vendita in regime di 363 degli assets che costituiranno la GoodGm, è possibile. Il record è Lehman (poco più di 7 giorni...), Chrysler sembra essere un esempio di discreta velocità, pur nel rispetto della procedura.

Se per chiudere si intende la quotazione della GoodGM di nuovo in borsa, ci aiuta una dichiarazioen del CFO:

>>In his remarks, Young said GM wouldn't become a public company again before the second quarter of next year, and forecast it would emerge from bankruptcy protection with a "very healthy" cash balance.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200906021246DOWJONESDJONLINE000478_FORTUNE5.htm

Se parliamo della conclusione del Chapter 11, vale la regola del Che: la velocità di un esercito si misura da quella del suo soldato più lento (la liquidazione dell'ultimo asset invendibile e il termine dell'ultima contestazione in corte...).

Gm comunque continua ad operare, e quindi ai fini industriali cambia poco... è già "chiusa"... :D
 

stockuccio

Guest
bisogna capirsi sul "chiudere": se ci si riferisce alla vendita in regime di 363 degli assets che costituiranno la GoodGm, è possibile. Il record è Lehman (poco più di 7 giorni...), Chrysler sembra essere un esempio di discreta velocità, pur nel rispetto della procedura.

Se per chiudere si intende la quotazione della GoodGM di nuovo in borsa, ci aiuta una dichiarazioen del CFO:

>>In his remarks, Young said GM wouldn't become a public company again before the second quarter of next year, and forecast it would emerge from bankruptcy protection with a "very healthy" cash balance.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200906021246DOWJONESDJONLINE000478_FORTUNE5.htm

Se parliamo della conclusione del Chapter 11, vale la regola del Che: la velocità di un esercito si misura da quella del suo soldato più lento (la liquidazione dell'ultimo asset invendibile e il termine dell'ultima contestazione in corte...).

Gm comunque continua ad operare, e quindi ai fini industriali cambia poco... è già "chiusa"... :D

mi pare che Henderson abbia parlato di 60/90 giorni per chiudere la bancarotta e vedere la nuova GM operativa 'GM said it expects the bankruptcy court process to last 60 to 90 days' http://www.mlive.com/auto/index.ssf/2009/06/general_motors_files_for_bankr.html

quante possibilità ? che la gm vecchia continui ad operare non è certo una bella notizia se il suo staff finanziario prevede 18,9 miliardi di perdite in 9 settimane di CH11 :) ... o forse con 'chiusa' intendi 'sepolta' ? http://www.freep.com/article/20090601/BUSINESS01/90601042
 

Researcher

Stop Loss? No, Thanks!!!
Ford Sales Down 24%

Posted: June 2, 2009 06:19 PM

Ford Motor says its sales fell 24% in May from a year ago, but sales rose 20% from April as the automaker continues to gain market share from its U.S. competitors now under bankruptcy protection.
The automaker says it sold 161,197 cars and light trucks. Sales of the Ford Fusion rose 9.4% as the company began selling new 2010 models of the midsize sedan along with a hybrid version.
Ford says its better cars are driving sales and its increasing market share, not the bankruptcy protection filings of General Motors and Chrysler. Automakers are facing the worst sales climate in 27 years.
The companies and analysts are expecting are a rebound as the consumer confidence improves, but there's concern that heavy incentives to are inflating sales.
 

Researcher

Stop Loss? No, Thanks!!!
Auto Sales Continue to Improve in May

June 2, 2009 4:03 PM EDT



Automakers released their monthly sales numbers today, giving a slight boost in sector sentiment amid the historic GM (NYSE: GM) (OTC: GMGMQ) bankruptcy. For the most part, the major automaker's reported slightly better-than-expected May sales results.


  • <LI itxtvisited="1">General Motors - sold 190,881 units during the month, down 29% from the 268,892 autos sold in May of '08.
    <LI itxtvisited="1">Ford (NYSE: F) - driven by strong new products, Detroit's healthiest car company saw its highest market share in 3 years. Ford sales fell 24.3% to 155,954 during the month. Shares of Ford are up nearly 5%.
    <LI itxtvisited="1">Chrysler - the 3rd largest U.S. automaker saw its auto sales fall 47% to 79,010 during May.
    <LI itxtvisited="1">Toyota (NYSE: TM) - sold 152,583 autos during May, marking a 38.4% decline from the same period last year. Shares of Toyota are down 1%.
    <LI itxtvisited="1">Honda Motor (NYSE: HMC) - recorded a 39.2% drop in May sales. The automakers total vehicle sales number came in at 98,344 cars for the month. Honda's stock is currently down 0.24%.
  • Nissan (Nasdaq: NSANY) - auto sales dropped 33.1% from 100,874 to 67,489 cars during May. Shares of Nissan are relatively flat from yesterday, up 0.2% from yesterday's close.
 

troppidebiti

Forumer storico
io opero solo sul mot, ma ricordo le numerose dichiarazioni dei DirGGenti Ford dei Mesi Scorsi, che + volte hanno detto che se Va Giu' GM Si tira dietro tutto il Comparto, Ford Compresa.

Cerca nei vecchi 3ds.....

Del resto operare contro 1 GM "Risanata" Dai debiti mentre Onora i propri sarebbe -per Ford- come lottare contro 1 avversario con 1 mano legata dietro la schiena...

Con questo non voglio dire che Ford Fallira' di sicuro, magari ce la fa ricorrendo a quache aiuto di stato o a qualche altro tipo di Trucchetto finanziario messo in campo dagli Esperti di Obama ...

Chi Vivra' Vedra'.



mi sembrano osservazioni condivisibili

che ne pensate?
 

stockuccio

Guest
....
Del resto operare contro 1 GM "Risanata" Dai debiti mentre Onora i propri sarebbe -per Ford- come lottare contro 1 avversario con 1 mano legata dietro la schiena...

....
mi sembrano osservazioni condivisibili

che ne pensate?

concordo ... metti una toppa di qua facendo un buco di la :) ...
se Henderson avrà ragione il problema è vicino
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
ISDA to Publish Auction Terms for General Motors

NEW YORK, Monday, June 1, 2009 – The International Swaps and Derivatives Association, Inc. (ISDA) today announced that its Americas Credit Derivatives Determinations Committee resolved that a bankruptcy credit event occurred in respect of General Motors Corporation, one of the world's largest automakers. The Committee also voted to hold an auction for General Motors Corporation.

http://www.isda.org/press/press060109.html


Please note that the auction is scheduled for Friday June 12.

http://www.isda.org/companies/gm/gm.html

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per curiosità ho dato un'occhiata alla richiesta di vendita sotto 363 (per gli aspetti procedurali).

Se qualcuno fosse interessato, contiene anche informazioni sulla NuovaGM. In prima approssimazione (ma consiglio di controllare, è stata una scorsa molto veloce):

http://d38e0yhv9tix0p.cloudfront.net/pdflib/pleading_1.pdf

la nuova GM avrà circa 550.000.000 di azioni (560.000.000 se sarà necessario assegnare 10.000.000 di azioni in più alla categoria di creditori cui appartengono i BH).

A spanne, ammesso (e credo che non sarà vero...) che solo i BH fossero beneficiari delle azioni (il famoso 10%) riservato a quella categoria di creditori, sarebbero circa 18 (diciotto) azioni ogni 10.000$ di bond, valore nominale.

Il totale delle azioni per questa fascia di creditori è 50.000.000 o appunto 60.000.000 con il rinforzino, se necessario.

Esistono poi un mare di preferred e preferred perpetual (circa 360.000.000...)

Il Canada avrà 58 milioni di azioni più 16 milioni di preferred, gli USA 304 milioni di azioni e 84 milioni di preferred, il new VEBA 87,5 milioni di azioni e 260 milioni di preferred.

L'eventuale strike dei warrant sembrerebbe a $ 27 circa, e $ 54 circa, ma non ci farei un grosso affidamento su questa stima fatta a spanne.

Una buona notizia sui warrant: sono di più di quelli che stimavo, per effetto immagino di un calcolo più corretto del mio. Per i BH sono 45.454.545 (@ 27$) + 45.454.454 (@ 54$). Più quelli asegnati a new VEBA (15.151.515).

un post interessante, ma lungo, sulla storia GM:

http://keithhennessey.com/2009/06/01/understanding-the-gm-bankruptcy/

So can GM survive, and for how long? Can they profit and flourish, as the President suggests they will?

  • The Administration and GM argue that a restructured GM can break even in a national market of only 10m vehicles sold in America each year. (We’re now around 9.5m/year. “Normal” is around 16m/year.) If accurate, this is astonishing. This would appear to address all three of the bullets under revenues. Addressed? I’m skeptical. I need to review the assumptions in GM’s new plan, especially about market share.
  • I have seen no evidence that GM and UAW have reduced significantly GM’s ongoing labor costs to be competitive with the transplants. Maybe I have missed it. Unaddressed.
  • Productivity is still lower in U.S. plants of U.S. firms that it is in U.S. plants of foreign-based firms. As a result of high compensation costs per worker and low productivity, it appears that labor cost per vehicle produced will still be uncompetitive with the transplants. Unaddressed.
  • GM’s dealer network is being dramatically reduced. Addressed.
  • The CAFE and emissions requirements are even more burdensome than predicted, but now have at least some degree of stability, given the national standards. On net, worse than before.
  • The balance sheets will be relieved of enormous debt and legacy health and pension obligations. Addressed.

In the term sheet for the December loan we (the Bush Administration) made to General Motors, we set out “targets,” which we took directly from the Corker amendment offered the week prior on the Senate floor:

  1. Reduce outstanding unsecured debt by not less than 2/3 through conversion into equity or other debt;
  2. “Reduce the total amount of compensation, including wages and benefits, paid to their U.S. employees so that, by no later than December 31, 2009, the average of such total amount, per hour and per person, is an amount that is competitive with the average total amount of such compensation, as certified by the Secretary of Labor, paid per hour and per person to employees of Nissan Motor Company, Toyota Motor Corporation, or American Honda Motor Company whose site of employment is in the United States.”
  3. Eliminate the jobs bank.
  4. Apply work rules no later than 12/31/09 “in a manner that is competitive with Nissan … Toyota or Honda in the U.S.”
  5. Not less than half of their VEBA payment should be in the form of stock.
As best I can tell:

  • They more than accomplished target #1.
  • They did little to nothing on #2. I have seen no evidence that compensation of current workers has been changed. UAW Chief Ron Gettelfinger claimed in a message to his members, “For our active members these tentative changes mean no loss in your base hourly pay, no reduction in your health care, and no reduction in pensions.” Maybe there’s a distinction between this statement and “total compensation.” If so, it would be great if someone could help me understand this. But it appears GM and UAW did nothing to address target #2.
  • UAW agreed to #3 in late March.
  • They made no apparent progress on target #4. I have neither seen nor heard evidence that the work rules have been relaxed. I am happy to be corrected.
  • They accomplished #5.
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11

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paologorgo

Chapter 11
L'eventuale strike dei warrant sembrerebbe a $ 27 circa, e $ 54 circa, ma non ci farei un grosso affidamento su questa stima fatta a spanne.

mi devo correggere, sono stato ottimista:

Warrant 1 issued to Old GM

Warrant to acquire 45,454,545 newly issued shares of New GM common stock, exercisable at any time prior to the seventh anniversary of issuance, with an exercise price set at $30.00 per share

Warrant 2 issued to Old GM

Warrant to acquire 45,454,545 newly issued shares of New GM common stock, exercisable at any time prior to the tenth anniversary of issuance, with an exercise price set at $55.00 per share
 

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