russiabond
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...appunto ...come sempre è successo fino ad ora ...ricordati che già al G 20 di settembre avevano previsto il taglio del 50%....prima smentito e poi è venuto fuori ..
non credere a questi pezzi di ...
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...appunto ...come sempre è successo fino ad ora ...ricordati che già al G 20 di settembre avevano previsto il taglio del 50%....prima smentito e poi è venuto fuori ..
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tommy271
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Crisi/ S&P taglia rating Efsf ad AA+ ma non esclude rialzarlo
Decisione conseguenza abbassamento valutazione Francia e Austria
Parigi, 16 gen. (TMNews) - L'agenzia Standard & Poor's ha reso noto in un comunicato di aver tagliato il rating del fondo salvastati Efsf dalla valutazione massima della 'tripla A' al livello immediatamente sottostante di AA+, ma non esclude di poter rialzare tale valutazione se dovessero essere fornite delle garanzie aggiuntive.
Tale decisione è la conseguenza dell'abbassamento del rating della Francia e dell'Austria che in precedenza detenevano la tripla A e permettevano, con le loro garanzie, allo stesso fondo salvastati di beneficiare della stessa valutazione. (con fonte Afp)
Decisione conseguenza abbassamento valutazione Francia e Austria
Parigi, 16 gen. (TMNews) - L'agenzia Standard & Poor's ha reso noto in un comunicato di aver tagliato il rating del fondo salvastati Efsf dalla valutazione massima della 'tripla A' al livello immediatamente sottostante di AA+, ma non esclude di poter rialzare tale valutazione se dovessero essere fornite delle garanzie aggiuntive.
Tale decisione è la conseguenza dell'abbassamento del rating della Francia e dell'Austria che in precedenza detenevano la tripla A e permettevano, con le loro garanzie, allo stesso fondo salvastati di beneficiare della stessa valutazione. (con fonte Afp)
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Papademos ottimista, venerdì la Grecia avrà seconda chance/VIDEO
Di Annalisa Vilardo
La Grecia avrà una seconda chance. I rappresentanti della troika (Commissione Ue, Fmi e Bce) si recheranno infatti venerdì prossimo ad Atene per iniziare ad approfondire i dettagli del secondo piano di aiuti al Paese, ha dichiarato il Ministero delle Finanze ellenico. Già domani dovrebbe arrivare ad Atene una delegazione di tecnici della troika.
Oggi il premier greco, Lucas Papademos, si è detto ottimista e ha sostenuto di voler chiudere la partita con i creditori e di voler varare un nuovo programma economico nelle prossime due o tre settimane. "Le trattative del Governo greco con i creditori privati sulla ristrutturazione del debito nazionale riprenderanno presto. Non ho dubbi sul raggiungimento di un accordo accettabile per entrambe le parti".
Se le trattative, interrotte venerdì a causa di una divergenza sulla cedola da pagare ai detentori dei nuovi titoli di Stato ellenici, non avranno esito positivo, la Grecia avrà infatti bisogno di un fondo di salvataggio molto più cospicuo per evitare il default, a detta del primo ministro ellenico, secondo cui uscire dall'euro non è un'opzione.
Venerdì si sono rotti i negoziati tra il Governo e le banche su una proposta di svalutazione di una parte significativa del debito ellenico. Per questo le discussioni con la Grecia e il settore istituzionale sono sospese per una pausa di riflessione sui benefici di un approccio volontario.
Il secondo piano di salvataggio per Atene, del valore di 130 miliardi, non potrà essere versato senza che prima sia stata raggiunta un'intesa con le banche sullo swap del debito. Il numero uno del Fmi, Christine Lagarde, ha già avvertito che l'ammontare degli aiuti dovrà essere accresciuto di "decine di miliardi di euro".
La ristrutturazione ridurrebbe di circa 100 miliardi di euro il debito pubblico totale, che attualmente si aggira intorno a 360 miliardi di euro, e farebbe risparmiare al Governo circa 5 miliardi di euro l'anno. Da parte sua anche la Commissione Ue è "fiduciosa" che un accordo fra autorità greche e banche possa essere raggiunto "presto", ha affermato il portavoce Olivier Bailly.
Intanto "il sentiment sui mercati resta incentrato sugli sviluppi della crisi del debito in Grecia, ormai prossima al fallimento nel caso di un mancato raggiungimento di un accordo con i privati sulla svalutazione del debito. A marzo scadranno circa 15 miliardi euro di aiuti e la situazione potrebbe configurarsi decisiva per Atene", ha commentato Vincenzo Longo, Market Strategist di IG Markets Italy.
"La Grecia verrà salvata, tenendo conto dei costi proibitivi di una sua eventuale uscita dall'Eurozona e con il fine di proteggere l'immagine dell'intera area", ha dichiarato Francesco Leghissa dell'ufficio studi di Copernico Sim, contattato dall'agenzia Mf-Dowjones, precisando che "la situazione è il frutto di una non gestione della crisi".
L'esperto ha spiegato che otto mesi fa, quando è scoppiata la vera crisi del debito sovrano, i Paesi dell'Eurozona, e in particolare la Germania, avrebbero dovuto prendere misure più decisive per salvarla invece di destinarle "piccole tranche di aiuti inutili. In questo momento la soluzione non è accettabile né per la Grecia né per i mercati".
...vorrei chiedere all'esperto ...quanti euro greci ha messo sul piatto
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UPDATE 1-S&P downgrades euro zone's EFSF bailout fund
Reuters - 16/01/2012 20:37:49
* S&P cuts rating of EFSF fund by one notch to AA+
* EFSF says downgrade won't affect its lending capacity
* Resources enough to cope until permanent fund in place - EFSF
(Adds details, background)
By Luke Baker
BRUSSELS,Jan 16 (Reuters) - U.S. rating agency Standard & Poor's cut its credit rating of the European Financial Stability Facility, the euro zone's rescue fund, by one notch to AA+ on Monday, three days after it cut the ratings of France and Austria by thesame margin.
In a statement, S&P said the decision was all but inevitable following the cuts to the creditworthiness of France and Austria, which were two of the EFSF's guarantors.
"We consider that credit enhancements that would offset what we view as the now-reduced creditworthiness of the EFSF's guarantors and securities backing the EFSF's issues are currently not in place," the agency said in a statement.
"We have therefore lowered to AA+ the issuer credit rating of the EFSF,as well as the issue ratings on its long-term debt securities.
The EFSF was set up by the 17 governments that share the European single currency in May 2010 and has so far been used to provide emergency loans to Ireland and Portugal. It is also expected to contribute to a second bailout of Greece.
The fund has an effective lending capacity of 440 billion euros, which depends on guarantees, mainly from the euro zone's AAA countries, only four of which now remain: Germany, Luxembourg,Finland and the Netherlands.
In a statement, the EFSF said the downgrade would not affect its lending capacity, and emphasised that its short-term rating remained at S&P's top level.
"The downgrade to 'AA+' by only one credit agency will not reduce EFSF's lending capacity of 440 billion euros," the fund's chief executive, Klaus Regling, said.
"EFSF has sufficient means to fulfill its commitments under current and potential future adjustment programmes until the ESM becomesoperational in July 2012," he added.
The ESM - the European Stability Mechanism - is a permanent rescue fund that is expected to have an effective capacity of 500 billion euros, based on paid-in capital of 80 billion euros and callable capital of 620 billion euros.
However, details about the structure of the ESM have still not been agreed among all euro zone member states. The original plan was to introduce it in July 2013, but that was brought forward by a year. Now euro zonepolicymakers are working hard to ensure the ESM can come into effect in just six months time.
S&P COULD REASSESS ITS MOVE
EU leaders will meet for a summit in Brussels on Jan. 30 when they are expected to discuss jobs and growth aswell as issues such as the permanent rescue fund and how to go about tackling the threat of a debt default by Greece.
In the long-term, and particularly if Moody's and Fitch, the two other major ratings agencies, decide to cut the EFSF's ratingas well, it may be impossible for the fund to sustain its effective capacity unless it just accepts that it will issue bonds at a lower credit rating, and pay more to do so.
The alternative would be to ask Germany, Finland, the Netherlands andLuxembourg to increase their total guarantees to the fund to get its credit rating back up to AAA. It's very unlikely the countries would agree to such a move.
However, S&P said that if the EFSF could find ways of providing credit enhancements,it could reassess its move.
"We understand that EFSF member states may currently be exploring credit-enhancement options," it said.
"If the EFSF adopts credit enhancements that in our view are sufficient to offset its now-reducedcreditworthiness, in particular if we see that once again the EFSF's long-term obligations are fully supported by guarantees from EFSF member-guarantors rated 'AAA' or by securities rated 'AAA', we would likely raise the EFSF's long-term ratings to'AAA'."
Jean-Claude Juncker, the chairman of the Eurogroup, which represents the 17 euro zone countries, said the implications of S&P's decision would be discussed, probably when finance ministers next meet on Jan. 23.
"We take note andwill examine the consequences of the decision announced by Standard & Poor's to downgrade the credit rating," he said in a statement.
"EFSF continues to be assigned the best possible credit rating by Moody's (Aaa) and Fitch (AAA), underlining its solidity. Neither rating agency has indicated any rating action for EFSF in the immediate future."
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UPDATE 1-Europe is in a "very grave" situation, Draghi says
Reuters - 16/01/2012 20:44:19
* Sees encouraging progress on fiscal consolidation
* Says ECB 3-year funding operation is functioning
(Adds quotes, background)
By Claire Davenport
STRASBOURG, France, Jan 16 (Reuters) - Europe is an a "very grave" economicsituation, European Central Bank President Mario Draghi said on Monday, but he added that euro zone governments are progressing well with efforts to put their finances in order.
Speaking in his capacity as head of Europe's recently createdfinancial system super-watchdog, Draghi added that markets had to a large extent anticipated Standard and Poor's downgrade of a slew of euro zone countries on Friday and priced assets accordingly.
But the economic situation is serious, saidDraghi, who last week left the door open to further interest rate cuts following a decision by the ECB Govering Council to leave them on hold this month at 1 percent, matching their lowest level ever.
"We are in a very grave state of affairs andwe must not shy away from this fact," Draghi, speaking as head of the European Systemic Risk Board (ESRB), said in testimony to the European Parliament's Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs.
"During the last few months of 2011, uncertainty over the sustainability of certain sovereigns and resilience of the financial system, coupled with dismal growth prospects, led to severe disturbances in the normal functioning of financial markets and of the real economy. In an attempt to counteract that development, policymakers have acted," he added.
Draghi also said that the central bank would do all it can to fight the crisis within the limits of the Treaty governing it.
He pointed to the ECB's provision last month of nearly half a trillion euros in 3-year funds to banks - an operation he said "has functioned and is functioning".
The ECB offered banks a 3-year cheap funding operation - or LTRO - in December, in which banks took a record-breaking 489 billion euros. Itwill offer them another in February.
The record-high use of the ECB's deposit facility did not imply that central bank funds were not circulating in the economy, the new ECB head also said, brushing off concerns that liquidity was not making itsway to the real economy.
Draghi urged governments to continue implementing their budget consolidation plans to combat the euro zone debt crisis.
"National governments have to put in place serious fiscal consolidation plans. What one seesacross Europe, by and large, is encouraging," Draghi said.
"We can say that full delivery is not there yet, but it's encouraging. Governments have shown will and determination."
Reuters - 16/01/2012 20:44:19
* Sees encouraging progress on fiscal consolidation
* Says ECB 3-year funding operation is functioning
(Adds quotes, background)
By Claire Davenport
STRASBOURG, France, Jan 16 (Reuters) - Europe is an a "very grave" economicsituation, European Central Bank President Mario Draghi said on Monday, but he added that euro zone governments are progressing well with efforts to put their finances in order.
Speaking in his capacity as head of Europe's recently createdfinancial system super-watchdog, Draghi added that markets had to a large extent anticipated Standard and Poor's downgrade of a slew of euro zone countries on Friday and priced assets accordingly.
But the economic situation is serious, saidDraghi, who last week left the door open to further interest rate cuts following a decision by the ECB Govering Council to leave them on hold this month at 1 percent, matching their lowest level ever.
"We are in a very grave state of affairs andwe must not shy away from this fact," Draghi, speaking as head of the European Systemic Risk Board (ESRB), said in testimony to the European Parliament's Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs.
"During the last few months of 2011, uncertainty over the sustainability of certain sovereigns and resilience of the financial system, coupled with dismal growth prospects, led to severe disturbances in the normal functioning of financial markets and of the real economy. In an attempt to counteract that development, policymakers have acted," he added.
Draghi also said that the central bank would do all it can to fight the crisis within the limits of the Treaty governing it.
He pointed to the ECB's provision last month of nearly half a trillion euros in 3-year funds to banks - an operation he said "has functioned and is functioning".
The ECB offered banks a 3-year cheap funding operation - or LTRO - in December, in which banks took a record-breaking 489 billion euros. Itwill offer them another in February.
The record-high use of the ECB's deposit facility did not imply that central bank funds were not circulating in the economy, the new ECB head also said, brushing off concerns that liquidity was not making itsway to the real economy.
Draghi urged governments to continue implementing their budget consolidation plans to combat the euro zone debt crisis.
"National governments have to put in place serious fiscal consolidation plans. What one seesacross Europe, by and large, is encouraging," Draghi said.
"We can say that full delivery is not there yet, but it's encouraging. Governments have shown will and determination."
frmaoro
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unica cosa in cui credere sono i prezzi
tutto il resto sono speranze più o meno illusorie alle quali a tutti noi ci fa comodo credere
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NEGOZIATI - A voler idealmente smentire la tesi di S&P era stato invece poco prima il primo ministero greco Lucas Papademos. Il premier ellenico in un'intervista alla Cnbc aveva spiegato di essere fiducioso che il suo Paese piagato dai debiti eviterà il default a marzo quando andrà a scadenza un Eurobond da 14,5 miliardi di euro. Più in generale aveva aggiunto Papademos «Un'uscita dall'area euro e un ritorno della dracma, non è un'opzione che viene presa in considerazione».
e ancora:
(ANSA) - ROMA, 16 GEN - Alla fine ''arriveremo a un accordo'' sulla svalutazione del debito greco, che per l'Istituto di finanza internazionale dovrebbe continuare a prevedere un 'haircut' del 50%.
A dirlo e' Josef Ackermann, presidente dell'iif, l'istituto che rappresenta le istituzioni finanziarie creditrici nel negoziato. Arrivare a un'intesa e' ''assolutamente cruciale'', ha detto Ackermann.
direi che non ci resta che aspettare il 18 e vedere cosa esce dall'incontro...
Se sarà positivo
Poi vediamo se le CAC saranno introdotte nell'ordinamento Greco
Poi vediamo se saranno applicate
Poi faremo i conti.
Un passo alla volta
ferdo
Utente Senior
Attenzione in monete turche riempito il mercato greco
Simile alla moneta da 2 euro, ma il valore è 40 centesimi
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Una nuova moneta per i distributori automatici ....
dai quella moneta turca c'è da anni ...
cmq non funziona, pesa un po' meno - ci ho provato
se per questo c'è pure una moneta egiziana simile al 2 euro
giub
New Membro
Draghi lancia l'allarme, i tedeschi: "non ci pensiamo nemmeno"
Just Say Nein - Bundesbank On European QE: "Abandon The Idea Once And For All"
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 01/16/2012 - 13:58
While it will hardly come as a surprise to many that after making it abundantly clear that Germany is in total disagreement with ECB monetary policies, culminating in the departure of Jurgen Stark from the European central printing authority, Germany will not permit irresponsible, Bernanke-esque monetary policies, it probably should be noted that even following the most recent escalation of adverse developments in Europe, which are now on the verge of unwinding the entire Eurozone and with it the affiliated fake currency, that the German central bank just said that any European QE could only come over its dead body. Today channeling the inscription to the gates of hell from Dante's inferno is none other than yet another Bundesbank board member, Carl-Ludwig Thiele, who said that "Europe must abandon the idea that printing money, or quantitative easing, can be used to address the euro zone debt crisis...One idea should be brushed aside once and for all - namely the idea of printing the required money. Because that would threaten the most important foundation for a stable currency: the independence of a price stability orientated central bank."
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siamo in guai serissimi...questi proprio vogliono la distruzione....
Just Say Nein - Bundesbank On European QE: "Abandon The Idea Once And For All"
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 01/16/2012 - 13:58
While it will hardly come as a surprise to many that after making it abundantly clear that Germany is in total disagreement with ECB monetary policies, culminating in the departure of Jurgen Stark from the European central printing authority, Germany will not permit irresponsible, Bernanke-esque monetary policies, it probably should be noted that even following the most recent escalation of adverse developments in Europe, which are now on the verge of unwinding the entire Eurozone and with it the affiliated fake currency, that the German central bank just said that any European QE could only come over its dead body. Today channeling the inscription to the gates of hell from Dante's inferno is none other than yet another Bundesbank board member, Carl-Ludwig Thiele, who said that "Europe must abandon the idea that printing money, or quantitative easing, can be used to address the euro zone debt crisis...One idea should be brushed aside once and for all - namely the idea of printing the required money. Because that would threaten the most important foundation for a stable currency: the independence of a price stability orientated central bank."
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siamo in guai serissimi...questi proprio vogliono la distruzione....
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