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25 Signs That The Financial World Is About To Hit The Big Red Panic Button
25 Signs That The Financial World Is About To Hit The Big Red Panic Button
stefanofabb
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la tua abnegazione a dedizione tommy per la Grecia è ottima.un augurio di salvataggio,ne sono convinto sin dall'inizio.... complimenti,Stefano
Tobia
Forumer storico
Programmazione Neurolinguistica.
Prima la sola parola default era innominabile, così si è dato sfoggio di improbabili neologismi finanziari, dal "rescheduling" al "reprofiling"...Ricordate l'imbarazzo di S&P, che non trovava una collocazione di evento creditizio al "reprofiling" perchè di fatto non significava nulla? O era volontario, e allora era una comune OPS volontaria con titoli riparametrati o era coercitivo e allora era default. E allora li tutti a sbracciarsi per sottolineare la necessaria volontarietà. Tutti a garantire che non ci sarebbe stato alcun default.
Ora non è più vero, la parola default viene ripetuta a iosa, ribadendo che non è tabù. Così il mercato si abitua.
Intanto spostano l'attenzione del mercato su scenari ancora più apocalittici, come l'uscita della Grecia dall'area Euro e il default incontrollato. E sottolineano come vada evitato a tutti i costi.
Così se alla fine ti ristrutturano il debito in modo forzoso, ma comunque evitando l'uscita della Grecia dall'euro e conseguenti recovery bassissimi, tu magari alla fine dici pure grazie.
Ma il mercato è più furbo di così...
continuassero con questi stress test, che poi il mercato glielo fa a loro lo stress test.
Secondo me le borse oggi sono salite per poter essere vendute da più in alto. Hanno preso la rincorsa, per così dire...
Provassero domani a partorire il topolino...e vedi dove li mandano alla mitica accoppiata da avanspettacolo Merkel&Sarko.
il mercato ha già deciso dovrà si andrà a parare e lascia ai contorsionisti della politica di trovare l'accento adatto a tutto il discorso...ma, in sostanza, questi piccoli esponenti della classe dirigente europea svolgono un ruolo appena di facciata, indirizzati come sono ad agire secondo i dettami dettati dai capitalisti (è ancora lecito usare questa parola) della finanza internazionale
chi ci guadagna in tutta questa faccenda è sempre stato chiaro e mai messo in discussione
ferdo
Utente Senior
... Stocks briefly trimmed gains after a report that German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said Greece should not get any additional aid beyond what has already been agreed upon.
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riferito ad azioni US
ma questo emerito ha dichiarato qualcosa stasera?
perchè se così fosse il teatrino continua ed i pupazzi crepano
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riferito ad azioni US
ma questo emerito ha dichiarato qualcosa stasera?
perchè se così fosse il teatrino continua ed i pupazzi crepano
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StockExchange
Forumer storico
Ho cercato il passo in rete, e credo tu lo abbia preso da qui:
U.S. Stocks Rise, Erasing Earlier Loss, as European Banks Rally - BusinessWeek
Tuttavia mi sembra un report dell'intera giornata borsistica, in Usa, ma anche la giornata europea che ha preceduto l'apertura di WS.
Il passo è preso dal paragrafo che parla delle banche francesi.
Quelle dichiarazioni che ho evidenziato si erano succedute nel corso della giornata. Nulla di nuovo.
Ad ora sono state scontate e forse superate da un filo di maggior ottimismo almeno nell'immediato.
Comunque il Dottor Stranamore non perde occasione....
Grisù
Forumer attivo
Germany’s EU Commissioner Wants Greek Administrators Replaced
As Greek officials admitted the nearly-broke country will be out of cash to pay its workers in mid-October without the next round of scheduled loans from an international bail-out package, European Energy Commissioner Günther Oettinger, a German, suggested the flags of economically failing countries be flown at half staff in front of European Union buildings – and that Greek tax collectors be replaced.
He had a more militant proposition as well, one which raised a specter from World War II: that Europe send United Nations soldiers to Greece to liquidate its assets and force tax collection, according to the Daily Telegraph of London, resulting in headlines in Greece denouncing the “Fourth Reich” and “terrorism against the Greeks.”
He said lowering the flags of faltering countries “would just be a symbol, but would still be a big deterrent.” He said another way to help pull Greece out of debt could be replacing “the obviously ineffective administrators” there with those from other EU nations because Greece has failed to meet the demands to sell off its assets and go after tax evaders. European administrators “could operate without concern for resistance and end the inefficiency,” he told the German newspaper Bild.
He added: “Those who demand solidarity from the other countries must also be prepared to give up partial responsibility for a certain time,” adding to Greek fears the European Union – led by Germany – is eating away at Greece’s sovereignty.
On its knees and desperate for cash, Greece has instituted an emergency property tax that could affect Greek Americans and those in the Diaspora owning land or buildings as well, and with another problem for them: the taxes are being put in electric bills and payable immediately.
Meanwhile, the country has made virtually no headway in getting tax evaders to pay nearly $40 billion a year in lost revenues, apart from publishing the names of businesses who owe and won’t pay.
Greece is in the midst of an initial $157 billion bailout from the so-called Troika of the EU-International Monetary Fund-European Central Bank, but evidence is growing that scheme has only piled debt on top of the country’s staggering $460 billion deficit, and a second bailout of $152 billion – but only on the conditions Greece privatize state-run entities to raise $71 billion and impose another round of deep pay cuts and tax hikes on workers, pensioners and the poor, while the rich and country’s powerful elite have gone untouched, setting off a series of demonstrations and riots.
There is also growing talk of Greece being pushed out of the 17-nation Eurozone of countries using the euro as its economic woes threaten to topple the union, but even Oettinger rejected that notion. “That would divide Europe and would be a disastrous signal,” he told Bild. “Then investors and markets wouldn’t trust us at all anymore for the future,” he added.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel also ruled out Greece returning to the ancient drachma it abandoned 10 years ago, saying that could bring down the Eurozone.. But she said she agreed with Economy Minister Philipp Rösler, who said that the stabilization of the euro might require “if necessary, an orderly bankruptcy of Greece.” The Greek economy is now projected to contract by a staggering 5.3% this year, rather than the 3.8% estimate upon which the IMF and EU bailout plans were based. In an interview with Der Tagesspiegel newspaper, Merkel appeared to be trying to defuse the crisis by suggesting that any talk of Greece withdrawing from the euro or Germany withdrawing its aid to Greece should be put aside. “What was ignored for ten years can’t be fixed overnight,” she said. “That means that we have to be patient.”
As Greek officials admitted the nearly-broke country will be out of cash to pay its workers in mid-October without the next round of scheduled loans from an international bail-out package, European Energy Commissioner Günther Oettinger, a German, suggested the flags of economically failing countries be flown at half staff in front of European Union buildings – and that Greek tax collectors be replaced.
He had a more militant proposition as well, one which raised a specter from World War II: that Europe send United Nations soldiers to Greece to liquidate its assets and force tax collection, according to the Daily Telegraph of London, resulting in headlines in Greece denouncing the “Fourth Reich” and “terrorism against the Greeks.”
He said lowering the flags of faltering countries “would just be a symbol, but would still be a big deterrent.” He said another way to help pull Greece out of debt could be replacing “the obviously ineffective administrators” there with those from other EU nations because Greece has failed to meet the demands to sell off its assets and go after tax evaders. European administrators “could operate without concern for resistance and end the inefficiency,” he told the German newspaper Bild.
He added: “Those who demand solidarity from the other countries must also be prepared to give up partial responsibility for a certain time,” adding to Greek fears the European Union – led by Germany – is eating away at Greece’s sovereignty.
On its knees and desperate for cash, Greece has instituted an emergency property tax that could affect Greek Americans and those in the Diaspora owning land or buildings as well, and with another problem for them: the taxes are being put in electric bills and payable immediately.
Meanwhile, the country has made virtually no headway in getting tax evaders to pay nearly $40 billion a year in lost revenues, apart from publishing the names of businesses who owe and won’t pay.
Greece is in the midst of an initial $157 billion bailout from the so-called Troika of the EU-International Monetary Fund-European Central Bank, but evidence is growing that scheme has only piled debt on top of the country’s staggering $460 billion deficit, and a second bailout of $152 billion – but only on the conditions Greece privatize state-run entities to raise $71 billion and impose another round of deep pay cuts and tax hikes on workers, pensioners and the poor, while the rich and country’s powerful elite have gone untouched, setting off a series of demonstrations and riots.
There is also growing talk of Greece being pushed out of the 17-nation Eurozone of countries using the euro as its economic woes threaten to topple the union, but even Oettinger rejected that notion. “That would divide Europe and would be a disastrous signal,” he told Bild. “Then investors and markets wouldn’t trust us at all anymore for the future,” he added.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel also ruled out Greece returning to the ancient drachma it abandoned 10 years ago, saying that could bring down the Eurozone.. But she said she agreed with Economy Minister Philipp Rösler, who said that the stabilization of the euro might require “if necessary, an orderly bankruptcy of Greece.” The Greek economy is now projected to contract by a staggering 5.3% this year, rather than the 3.8% estimate upon which the IMF and EU bailout plans were based. In an interview with Der Tagesspiegel newspaper, Merkel appeared to be trying to defuse the crisis by suggesting that any talk of Greece withdrawing from the euro or Germany withdrawing its aid to Greece should be put aside. “What was ignored for ten years can’t be fixed overnight,” she said. “That means that we have to be patient.”
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Niente da fare......continuo ad interpretare in negativo.....sarò io, ma.......
Mi suonano ancora le parole della signora.......
Default=sicuro
Se non mettono un po di polpa...come vuoi che i mercati ritornano ad acquistare le pericolosissime obbligazioni Greche?
In ogni caso quando la bufera si sarà un po calmata....stacheranno la spina.......e anche questo con le news di oggi...."della signora", ha messo il sigillo, in cera lacca
Con i soldi rimasti...appena scatta l' evento, mi metto pure io in posizione short......tanto per fare un po di leverage
Deve bruciare tutto
Intanto continuo a seguire gli eventi.......domandandomi come si sveglierà la signora domani mattina
Ridicoli....e poi sbeffeggiano l' Italia
Avremo pure le nostre disgrazie......ma pure loro non si fan mancare nulla
Mi suonano ancora le parole della signora.......
Default=sicuro
Se non mettono un po di polpa...come vuoi che i mercati ritornano ad acquistare le pericolosissime obbligazioni Greche?
In ogni caso quando la bufera si sarà un po calmata....stacheranno la spina.......e anche questo con le news di oggi...."della signora", ha messo il sigillo, in cera lacca
Con i soldi rimasti...appena scatta l' evento, mi metto pure io in posizione short......tanto per fare un po di leverage
Deve bruciare tutto
Intanto continuo a seguire gli eventi.......domandandomi come si sveglierà la signora domani mattina
Ridicoli....e poi sbeffeggiano l' Italia
Avremo pure le nostre disgrazie......ma pure loro non si fan mancare nulla
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On the knees and desperate for cash, Greece has instituted an emergency property tax that could affect Greek Americans and those in the Diaspora owning land or buildings as well, and with another problem for them: the taxes are being put in electric bills and payable immediately.
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Buongiorno.......Listini Asiatici rossini / € leggero ribasso e di molti discorsi sul fatto che la cina non puo essere il cavaliere bianco per l' Italia et al massimo si faranno qualche buon affare since cash is king.
Tutti ad aspettare qualcosa di convincente dai Nani.
I HAVE NO DREAMS
Tutti ad aspettare qualcosa di convincente dai Nani.
I HAVE NO DREAMS
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