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  • SEPTEMBER 14, 2011
Limiting the Damage of a Greek Default By SIMON NIXON

The euro zone is running out of road. Greece's budget problems have spun out of control to the point where there is an imminent threat to the survival of the single currency. The euro zone's strategy until now—a mixture of obfuscation, prevarication and broken promises—has comprehensively failed. The market now regards a Greek default as inevitable and unless the euro zone starts to take decisive action to prepare for this outcome, what little confidence remains in the currency block will evaporate.
Until now, the euro zone's strategy towards Greece has been simple: to keep providing it with bailout funds to cover its deficits providing it meet strict conditions to tackle the shameful culture of tax avoidance and take steps to boost its competitiveness.
So long as Greece was fulfilling its side of the bargain, the euro zone was happy to keep kicking the can down the road, putting off any default at least until Greece had achieved a primary budget surplus—before interest on its debts—at which point it would be easier to restructure its debts. And preferably until other highly indebted euro zone countries had put their fiscal houses in order and recapitalized their banks, minimizing contagion risk.
But that strategy now looks doomed to failure. The Greek government may just have done enough to avoid immediate default: Last weekend's decision to close a €2 billion ($2.7 billion) budget hole with a property tax to be collected via utility bills should persuade the Troika to pay the next installment under its bailout package so that Greece doesn't run out of money in October.
But Greece is falling so far behind its bailout targets that the Troika—as its official lenders from the International Monetary Fund, European Central Bank and European Commission are collectively known—may find it hard to ignore much longer: The budget deficit is forecast to be 2.5% of GDP higher than planned, privatization receipts are well behind the official timetable and structural reforms are off track.
Meanwhile there is anxiety that bondholder participation in the voluntary government debt restructuring program required under the most recent bailout deal with fall short of the required 90% acceptance rate.
The market is no longer fooled. It can see the default is coming. Its only concern is how large the losses will be, who will bear them and whether the euro zone has a strategy to limit the contagion. What has now become clear is that the euro-zone banking system is woefully under-capitalized to deal with a default. Much of the recent attention has focused on the French banks which are most heavily exposed to Greece. A major recapitalization of the euro-zone banking system in the next few days is now vital to provide protection from the consequences of a Greek default and to reassure markets that they could withstand further losses on other peripheral country debt.
It is simplistic to blame this capital shortfall solely on the banks themselves. They are partly victims of a dysfunctional euro-zone leadership, which initially insisted there would be no defaults, then said there would be no defaults before 2013, and then, when Greek bonds were restructured in July, insisted this would be a one-off.
Now policymakers say they mis-communicated and that they only meant that Greece was a unique case. No wonder euro-zone banks failed to prepare adequately for the latest stage of the crisis. It is rich of policymakers such as Christine Lagarde, the former French finance minister now head of the IMF, to chastise euro-zone banks for failing to raise capital to withstand risks she only recently used to insist would never materialize.
But how much capital should euro-zone banks be raising? Ms. Lagarde recently said they needed to raise €200 billion ($273 billion) of capital before withdrawing that figure under pressure from euro-zone policy makers. But even if the amount required is only half that, banks will struggle to raise it in the market or from governments. The money will need to come from the European Financial Stability Facility, assuming euro-zone governments agree to expand its role to allow it to inject capital into banks. Even the EFSF may not be large enough given it is also expected to lend to governments and buy sovereign bonds to stabilize markets. That has prompted suggestions it may need to operate like a bank, leveraging itself with loans from the ECB.
No matter how much capital banks raise, however, it won't insulate them from contagion if the Greek endgame is badly handled. The risk is that a Greek default precipitates its exit from the euro, turning the disaster of default into a catastrophe. A default now, with Athens still running a substantial budget deficit will be extraordinarily painful for Greece, particularly if the default was disorderly, prompted by the Troika withholding funds. Athens would be forced to close its deficit immediately, requiring far tougher austerity measures than anything currently contemplated, triggering an even deeper recession. But the real pain would come if the ECB stuck by its principle of not accepting defaulted debt as collateral. That would deprive the Greek banking system of funding, leading to its immediate collapse and turning a recession into a depression. At that point, Athens might conclude it had no option but to quit the euro and introduce its own currency.
The euro zone needs to avoid this outcome at all costs. A Greek exit from the euro would lead to capital flight, mass bankruptcies and hyperinflation in Greece, says Willem Buiter of Citigroup. Worse, it would undermine the euro zone's credibility, creating a domino effect as markets hunted down the next exit candidate. Even if Greece defaults, the ECB must keep the Greek banking system afloat. But will it? Political frustrations with Greece are running high, particularly in Germany. Last week, ECB Deputy President Jürgen Stark quit following a disagreement over the ECB bond-buying program; earlier this year Bundesbank chief Axel Weber resigned on similar grounds. Accepting Greek defaulted collateral would be a far clearer breach of ECB rules.
The euro zone can no longer afford to prevaricate and obfuscate. It needs to prepare now for a Greek default—and explain how it will react when it happens.
 
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StockExchange

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Comunque è incredibile come tutto riesca a essere funzionale ai movimenti borsistici.
Il DJ (e gli indici americani in genere) ha fatto la fiammata, ma millimetricamente respinto dalla resistenza dinamica della trend line discendente.
In realtà c'è anche una trend line ascendente dai minimi del 10-11 agosto e così siamo in una bella flag o cuneo.... intanto il DJ si è riportato a mezza strada, così poi decide dove sfondare, se UP o DOWN.
Intanto circolano nuovamente rumors sul fatto che arriverà molto prossimo il downgrade all'Italia di Moody's, forse entro la prossima settimana.
Manovra in Italia passata, ma anche su questo il mercato potrà dare duplice interpretazione: festeggiare perchè è passata o punirci perchè è passata con soli 314 voti favorevoli contro 300 contrari. :wall:
Con tutte queste incertezze se a rassicurare i mercati sono questi impagabili interventi di Merkek&Sarko stiamo freschi :wall:
 
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  • SEPTEMBER 14, 2011
Limiting the Damage of a Greek Default By SIMON NIXON

The euro zone is running out of road. Greece's budget problems have spun out of control to the point where there is an imminent threat to the survival of the single currency. The euro zone's strategy until now—a mixture of obfuscation, prevarication and broken promises—has comprehensively failed. The market now regards a Greek default as inevitable and unless the euro zone starts to take decisive action to prepare for this outcome, what little confidence remains in the currency block will evaporate.
Until now, the euro zone's strategy towards Greece has been simple: to keep providing it with bailout funds to cover its deficits providing it meet strict conditions to tackle the shameful culture of tax avoidance and take steps to boost its competitiveness.
So long as Greece was fulfilling its side of the bargain, the euro zone was happy to keep kicking the can down the road, putting off any default at least until Greece had achieved a primary budget surplus—before interest on its debts—at which point it would be easier to restructure its debts. And preferably until other highly indebted euro zone countries had put their fiscal houses in order and recapitalized their banks, minimizing contagion risk.
But that strategy now looks doomed to failure. The Greek government may just have done enough to avoid immediate default: Last weekend's decision to close a €2 billion ($2.7 billion) budget hole with a property tax to be collected via utility bills should persuade the Troika to pay the next installment under its bailout package so that Greece doesn't run out of money in October.
But Greece is falling so far behind its bailout targets that the Troika—as its official lenders from the International Monetary Fund, European Central Bank and European Commission are collectively known—may find it hard to ignore much longer: The budget deficit is forecast to be 2.5% of GDP higher than planned, privatization receipts are well behind the official timetable and structural reforms are off track.
Meanwhile there is anxiety that bondholder participation in the voluntary government debt restructuring program required under the most recent bailout deal with fall short of the required 90% acceptance rate.
The market is no longer fooled. It can see the default is coming. Its only concern is how large the losses will be, who will bear them and whether the euro zone has a strategy to limit the contagion. What has now become clear is that the euro-zone banking system is woefully under-capitalized to deal with a default. Much of the recent attention has focused on the French banks which are most heavily exposed to Greece. A major recapitalization of the euro-zone banking system in the next few days is now vital to provide protection from the consequences of a Greek default and to reassure markets that they could withstand further losses on other peripheral country debt.
It is simplistic to blame this capital shortfall solely on the banks themselves. They are partly victims of a dysfunctional euro-zone leadership, which initially insisted there would be no defaults, then said there would be no defaults before 2013, and then, when Greek bonds were restructured in July, insisted this would be a one-off.
Now policymakers say they mis-communicated and that they only meant that Greece was a unique case. No wonder euro-zone banks failed to prepare adequately for the latest stage of the crisis. It is rich of policymakers such as Christine Lagarde, the former French finance minister now head of the IMF, to chastise euro-zone banks for failing to raise capital to withstand risks she only recently used to insist would never materialize.
But how much capital should euro-zone banks be raising? Ms. Lagarde recently said they needed to raise €200 billion ($273 billion) of capital before withdrawing that figure under pressure from euro-zone policy makers. But even if the amount required is only half that, banks will struggle to raise it in the market or from governments. The money will need to come from the European Financial Stability Facility, assuming euro-zone governments agree to expand its role to allow it to inject capital into banks. Even the EFSF may not be large enough given it is also expected to lend to governments and buy sovereign bonds to stabilize markets. That has prompted suggestions it may need to operate like a bank, leveraging itself with loans from the ECB.
No matter how much capital banks raise, however, it won't insulate them from contagion if the Greek endgame is badly handled. The risk is that a Greek default precipitates its exit from the euro, turning the disaster of default into a catastrophe. A default now, with Athens still running a substantial budget deficit will be extraordinarily painful for Greece, particularly if the default was disorderly, prompted by the Troika withholding funds. Athens would be forced to close its deficit immediately, requiring far tougher austerity measures than anything currently contemplated, triggering an even deeper recession. But the real pain would come if the ECB stuck by its principle of not accepting defaulted debt as collateral. That would deprive the Greek banking system of funding, leading to its immediate collapse and turning a recession into a depression. At that point, Athens might conclude it had no option but to quit the euro and introduce its own currency.
The euro zone needs to avoid this outcome at all costs. A Greek exit from the euro would lead to capital flight, mass bankruptcies and hyperinflation in Greece, says Willem Buiter of Citigroup. Worse, it would undermine the euro zone's credibility, creating a domino effect as markets hunted down the next exit candidate. Even if Greece defaults, the ECB must keep the Greek banking system afloat. But will it? Political frustrations with Greece are running high, particularly in Germany. Last week, ECB Deputy President Jürgen Stark quit following a disagreement over the ECB bond-buying program; earlier this year Bundesbank chief Axel Weber resigned on similar grounds. Accepting Greek defaulted collateral would be a far clearer breach of ECB rules.
The euro zone can no longer afford to prevaricate and obfuscate. It needs to prepare now for a Greek default—and explain how it will react when it happens.

A leggere tutta d'un fiato questa saga, in fin dei conti è un bel riassuntone di quel che abbiamo vissuto nell'ultimo anno, si resta increduli.
Che dire... credo diventerà il mio nuovo tormentone:

Benvenuti ad Eurolandia!

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g.ln

Triplo Panico: comprare
meglio di niente

Comunque sono quasi geniali...
Fanno i salti mortali per non dire una minki@:
Merkel e Sarko "sono convinti che la Grecia non uscirà dall'euro"
E' sottile: come dire, siamo convinti che riuscirà a non dover uscire, ma dipende solo da lei :wall:
Anche qui: prima era "nessuno stato dell'eurozona può uscire dall'euro".
Ora è: "siamo convinti che la Grecia non uscirà dall'euro".
Se ne sono convinti è perchè si può anche pensare il contrario, quindi è pensabile....:wall:
Però, per così dire, loro sono "molto fiduciosi" :wall:
E poi...ma che vuol dire, non dipende anche da loro e dall'UE ?
Se l'UE ponesse come principio assoluto che comunque dall'euro non si esce e i panni sporchi si lavano in casa (ammesso che l'UE sia una casa comune) non ci sarebbe alcun problema :wall:

Condivido le sottigliezze semantiche che hai evidenziato.
Pazienza, meglio di niente! speriamo che basti per una lenta risalita...
Buonanotte, Giuseppe
 
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mago gambamerlo

Xx Phuket xX
Buongiorno a tutti ! Da queste parti ne hanno pieni i c....... di questi discorsi che mettono dubbi sui dubbi .:D Si sta facendo una figura globale di m.... ;)
Finche non escono con qualcosa di fattivo son azzi. :D

(AGI) CRISI: FRANCIA E GERMANIA CERTE, GRECIA RESTERA' NELL'EURO



(AGI) Parigi - La Francia e la Germania sono "convinte" che la
Grecia restera' nell'Eurozona. Lo hanno dichiarato Nicolas
Sarkozy e Angela Merkel al termine della videoconferenza con il
premier ellenico George Papandreu, che da parte sua ha
confermato che Atene rispettera' i termini del piano di
salvataggio europeo
 

fashionvictim83

Nuovo forumer
Comunque sono quasi geniali...
Fanno i salti mortali per non dire una minki@:
Merkel e Sarko "sono convinti che la Grecia non uscirà dall'euro"
E' sottile: come dire, siamo convinti che riuscirà a non dover uscire, ma dipende solo da lei :wall:
Anche qui: prima era "nessuno stato dell'eurozona può uscire dall'euro".
Ora è: "siamo convinti che la Grecia non uscirà dall'euro".
Se ne sono convinti è perchè si può anche pensare il contrario, quindi è pensabile....:wall:
Però, per così dire, loro sono "molto fiduciosi" :wall:
E poi...ma che vuol dire, non dipende anche da loro e dall'UE ?
Se l'UE ponesse come principio assoluto che comunque dall'euro non si esce e i panni sporchi si lavano in casa (ammesso che l'UE sia una casa comune) non ci sarebbe alcun problema :wall:

La tattica della Germania s'è capita. Non confermano il salvataggio perchè a quel punto la Grecia se la prenderebbe comoda.
 

sebonweb

una ragione di piu'
Io l'incontro di ieri lo vedo in prospettiva positiva. La Grecia restera' nell'euro e Papandreu fara' rispettare i termini del piano di salvataggio. C'e' solo da attendere che gli "eventi tecnici" (swap, trance di aiuti) vadano in porto... Buonagiornata a tutti.
 

ferdo

Utente Senior
La tattica della Germania s'è capita. Non confermano il salvataggio perchè a quel punto la Grecia se la prenderebbe comoda.

Io l'incontro di ieri lo vedo in prospettiva positiva. La Grecia restera' nell'euro e Papandreu fara' rispettare i termini del piano di salvataggio. C'e' solo da attendere che gli "eventi tecnici" (swap, trance di aiuti) vadano in porto... Buonagiornata a tutti.

anche io la vedo positivamente:
nei giorni scorsi si era dubitato del sostegno tedesco e francese, e questo incontro è il segnale politico che così non è;
nel mentre l'Olanda che era freddina ha dichiarato l'appoggio;
la faccenda dei collaterali è in via di soluzione;
la Grecia mostra segni che non vuole fare dflt ed aggiunge manovre;
il piano del 21 luglio esiste: si andrà avanti con lo swap etc

ora se vogliamo vedere l'altra faccia della medaglia si può dire che il piano del 21/07 non funziona, lo swap ha raggiunto solo l'80% delle adesioni su 90%, che la sesta tranche non sarà rilasciata e se sarà data, sarà in dubbio la settima e così via

cmq la strada è ancora lunga e piena di insidie

Tommy,
hai piuttosto il meccanismo ESFS?
Ricordo che prevedeva diversi step in base alla sostenibilità del debito e disciplinava il dflt.
In fin dei conti i tedeschi seguiranno lo schema impostato.
 
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tommy271

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La grande attesa per la videoconferenza dalla quale ci si attendeva qualche novità in più è stata derubricata e risolta nel giro di 20 minuti.
Il comunicato ufficiale non ci dice granchè, salvo il fatto che la Grecia resterà nell'Eurozona nella convinzione che ... ecc. ecc.
E' già qualcosa rispetto ai rumors che giungevano negli ultimi giorni.
Oggi vediamo se uscirà qualche indiscrezione che non è trapelata dai report ufficiali, tanto per capire il clima dell'incontro.
Intanto ci avviamo rapidamente verso l'Ecofin, sarà in questa sede che malumori e aspettative usciranno alla luce del sole. La presenza di Geithner è confortante.

Rimango sempre ottimista in una soluzione positiva anche perchè non vedo alternative alle macerie. Ma la storia è fatta anche da queste ...
In chiave negativa, potrebbero cercare di stringere un forte cordone intorno agli ellenici che potrebbero fare un haircut sul debito mentre la BCE in coordinazione in FED e BRIC acquisterebbe massicciamente titoli italiani e spagnoli per far fronte al contraccolpo. La Grecia rimarrebbe sempre nell'Eurozona ma con un debito ridotto, in grado di ripartire con il rubinetto aperto della BCE. Ma questo potrà essere fatto in assenza di Trichet.

In Grecia è giunta la "Task Force" della UE per vedere di dare una "mano" ed indirizzare gli sforzi per una ripresa dell'economia. Una missione in conseguenza diretta degli accordi del 21 luglio che attendono l'operatività.
Per il resto si "balla" in attesa degli eventi.

Grecia 2371 pb. (2326)
Portogallo 953 pb. (962)
Irlanda 694 pb. (706)
Italia 370 pb. (392)
Spagna 352 pb. (361)
Belgio 216 pb. (217)
 
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