Titoli di Stato area Euro GRECIA Operativo titoli di stato - Cap. 3 (6 lettori)

FNAIOS

Online è tutta una fioritura di articoli su un ormai scontato default e un possibile (quasi certo) aiuto dalla Russia. Di sicuro ci siamo più vicini oggi dell'ultima volta, non capisco perché i GGB non hanno scavato un cratere per terra, forse è per quello che dice il cat xl (gattone extralarge - puma). E non c'è manco nessun panico sui fiuciurs.
 

tommy271

Forumer storico
* La Slovacchia è "mentalmente e tecnicamente preparata" per un potenziale Grexit, ha detto il primo ministro Robert Fico, dopo i colloqui a Bratislava oggi con il suo omologo britannico David Cameron.

* "Vogliamo che la Grecia rimanga nell'euro, ma non a qualsiasi prezzo. La Slovacchia si prepara mentalmente e tecnicamente per una possibile uscita della Grecia dalla zona euro. Categoricamente insistiamo sul fatto che la Grecia dovrebbe adempiere ai suoi obblighi ", ha detto il primo ministro slovacco.
 

tommy271

Forumer storico
Online è tutta una fioritura di articoli su un ormai scontato default e un possibile (quasi certo) aiuto dalla Russia. Di sicuro ci siamo più vicini oggi dell'ultima volta, non capisco perché i GGB non hanno scavato un cratere per terra, forse è per quello che dice il cat xl (gattone extralarge - puma). E non c'è manco nessun panico sui fiuciurs.

Siamo come nel 1914?
Cioè dopo l'attentato di Sarajevo e la successiva dichiarazione di guerra dell'Austria alla Serbia?
 

tommy271

Forumer storico
* Chiudere la trattativa salvaguarderà gli interessi dei cittadini greci e il primo ministro del paese ha chiamato il presidente del PASOK Fofi Genimmata.
"L'economia sta affondando, dopo cinque mesi il governo ci perdiamo. Questo è tutto. Nessun altro bluff. Non negoziabile il 'sì' per l'euro ", ha detto la signora Genimmata.
 

Abulico

Forumer storico
Ruolo chiave nella trattativa prende Juncker



Ruolo chiave nella ricerca di una soluzione reciprocamente accettabile per il problema greco sembra giocare informalmente oggi il presidente della Commissione europea, Jean-Claude Juncker, come trasmette il corrispondente di "N" di Bruxelles, Nicos Bellos.

Il rappresentante della Commissione europea, Margaritis Schinas, ha detto oggi che il signor Juncker aveva comunicazione mattina alla Grecia con il cancelliere tedesco Angela Merkel, il presidente francese Francois Hollande e il primo ministro olandese, Mark Rute, mentre durante il giorno e nei fine settimana avrà contatti con il primo ministro Alexis Tsipras.

(Naftemporiki)

EU’s Juncker Warned Greek PM Tsipras That Talks May Fail – Spiegel
 

gianni76

Forumer storico
Mi è stato segnalato che il moderatore sig. Baro ha reputato non adatto al forum un mio post in cui definivo Tsipras una pulce nel contesto europeo (detto da me chiaramente in riferimento ai voti ottenuti dalla sua lista alle scorse europee) e l'ha cancellato senza neppure attendere tempo per eventuali chiarimenti.

Visto che ritengo tale regime bolscevico e non adatto alla libera discussione che deve caratterizzare un forum come questo, saluto i partecipanti e gli investitori in Grecia e chiudo ogni intervento futuro.
 

FNAIOS

Mi è stato segnalato che il moderatore sig. Baro ha reputato non adatto al forum un mio post in cui definivo Tsipras una pulce nel contesto europeo (detto da me chiaramente in riferimento ai voti ottenuti dalla sua lista alle scorse europee) e l'ha cancellato senza neppure attendere tempo per eventuali chiarimenti.

Visto che ritengo tale regime bolscevico e non adatto alla libera discussione che deve caratterizzare un forum come questo, saluto i partecipanti e gli investitori in Grecia e chiudo ogni intervento futuro.

E' vero è colpa dei giudici comunisti.
In realtà viene censurato qualsiasi intervento in cui si parli male di un qualsiasi uomo politico e già da qualche tempo.
 

Cat XL

Shizuka Minamoto
Online è tutta una fioritura di articoli su un ormai scontato default e un possibile (quasi certo) aiuto dalla Russia. Di sicuro ci siamo più vicini oggi dell'ultima volta, non capisco perché i GGB non hanno scavato un cratere per terra, forse è per quello che dice il cat xl (gattone extralarge - puma). E non c'è manco nessun panico sui fiuciurs.

Non so esattamente a cosa ti riferisci sui GGB. Secondo me i prezzi incorporano un esito positivo che non e' assolutamente scontato.

Cat XL (vai su google) ha un significato molto preciso anche se amo i felini in generale...
 

Cat XL

Shizuka Minamoto
Eccellente articolo

Greece and the euro

My big fat Greek divorce

Greece and the euro zone are stuck in an abusive relationship

Jun 20th 2015 | From the print edition




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IT IS never pleasant to watch a relationship founder. Greece’s prime minister, Alexis Tsipras, has charged its creditors with trying to humiliate the country; he has accused the IMF of “criminal responsibility” for Greece’s suffering. Prominent euro-zone politicians are saying openly that, without a deal to release rescue funds in the next few days, default and “Grexit” loom.



The urgency is because of a repayment of €1.5 billion ($1.7 billion), which Greece seemingly cannot afford, to the IMF on June 30th and because Greece’s European bail-out expires that day. Cue the last-ditch negotiations that have become a Euro-speciality: just after The Economist went to press, finance ministers were to assemble in Luxembourg; leaders may meet over the weekend; a European Union summit is scheduled at the end of next week. It may come down to a head-to-head between Mr Tsipras and Angela Merkel, Germany’s chancellor. A deal is still possible, but the sides have come to loathe each other. If this were a marriage, the lawyers would be circling.
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Divorce would be a disaster—for everyone. The trouble is that, unless Greece and the euro zone change the terms of their relationship, staying together would not be a great deal better.
Exit Greece, stage far-left
To see why, start with the results of a default and Grexit. After arguing on and off for five infuriating years, some have begun to welcome the prospect. They are making a mistake.
For Greece the gains from defaulting would be slight, and the costs potentially vast. True, the country could walk away from debts of €317 billion, or almost 180% of GDP. But that is worth less to Greeks than it sounds. Although the debt is huge, it is at bargain-basement interest rates and repayable over decades. Interest payments until the early 2020s are just 3% of GDP a year. Even for Greece, that is manageable. Nor would leaving the euro do much good. In theory, with a new drachma and its own central bank, Greece could devalue and gain competitiveness. But Greece’s trade is modest. And it has already lowered nominal wages by 16% without a boom in exports.


The costs of Grexit still outweigh the benefits


By contrast, the cost of Grexit would be exorbitant: bust banks, slashed savings, broken contracts and shattered confidence (see article). Politics could be devastated. Syriza, Mr Tsipras’s hard-left party, is anti-market and anti-enterprise. Neo-fascist Golden Dawn and the Communists, with a combined 12% of the vote, would thrive. Most of the parties in the middle, already discredited, would struggle. This week Mr Tsipras was due to play footsie with Vladimir Putin in Russia. Ejected from the euro, and possibly the EU, a country with a history of coups would risk becoming violent and even more corrupt.
That is one reason for the euro zone to think twice before ditching Greece. A failing state on the Aegean would be the EU’s problem regardless of whether its politicians accepted bribes in euros or drachmas—indeed, it would be a greater and less tractable problem than Greece is today. In addition, monetary union was supposed to be irrevocable. If, in fact, its members risk ejection, then contagion will be more likely to spread to other vulnerable economies, such as Portugal and Cyprus—if not in this crisis, then in the next.
Some people, including possibly Mr Tsipras, have concluded that the price of Grexit is so high that Greece can count on the euro zone giving ground at the last minute. But that is reckless. If the euro is to endure, its rules must be enforceable. So long as the monetary union is forged between sovereign states the principles of irrevocability and enforceability are contradictory. Yet you can be sure there is a limit to what the euro zone will tolerate—even if nobody knows where it lies.
Till debt do them part
The upshot is that Grexit is a process, not an event. Even if talks fail, even if Greece defaults, even if it introduces capital controls and the government starts to issue paper IOUs because no more euros are left—even then, a referendum or a new government could still offer Greece a way back.
But a deal is a process, too. Though it would doubtless be hailed as a triumph, it would mark only a step towards the eventual restructuring of Greek debt. Trust is so low and Greece’s reluctance to honour its pledges so evident, that each slug of new rescue money will depend on Greece showing that it has kept its side of the bargain. Such conditionality is necessary and economically desirable (see article), but in today’s poisoned environment comes at a high cost. Relations between the euro zone and Greece are defined in terms of the “concessions” each has screwed out of the other. The marriage may endure, but even more unhappily than before.


Debt relief boosts growth, but only when it comes with conditions


A change of mindset is needed. Both sides have bungled the Greek crisis. Especially at the outset, the creditors put too much weight on rapid fiscal adjustment, in a doomed attempt to limit the size of Greek debt. As well as needlessly impoverishing Greece (GDP has shrunk 21% since 2010), this was a distraction from the real task, which is to sort out the structural impediments to growth—rampant clientelism, hopeless public administration, comically bad regulations, a lethargic and unreliable justice system, nationalised assets and oligopolies, and inflexible markets for goods and services and labour.
But Mr Tsipras has made a bad situation worse. In 2014 the Greek economy grew. Now it is shrinking again, partly because Syriza has proved incompetent and even more clientelist than its predecessors. But also because posturing in negotiations has absorbed all Syriza’s attention and set the country back years. The need for a crisis to bring the talks to a head and to wring concessions from the other side has wrecked market confidence. Capital has flooded out of the banking system. Investors have kept away. Every reform has become a bargaining chip that must not be traded away before a deal and will not be exceeded once a deal has been struck. The idea that reform is actually good for Greece has been lost.
Most Greeks want to stay in the euro. But their politicians still look to Berlin for salvation, rather than to reform at home. Greece must understand that, if this does not change, the creditors will lose patience. Avoiding divorce would be better for everyone. But this marriage is not worth saving at any price.
 

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