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angy2008

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Vi allego un articolo del Sole di oggi su Basilea 3

anche se non esattamente in tema e senza allegarlo, segnalo la nota a pagina 36 su Buffet che striglia i manager delle banche che esagerano con bonus e stipendi. Lui si contenta di 100.000$ annui. E' vero che non ha bisogno di guadagnare anche dallo stipendio visto che è straricco però ha ragione a dire che gli altri esagerano e secondo me andrebbe premiato chi come lui rischia del suo insieme agli azionisti invece di dare i bonus ai manager che rischiano coi soldi degli azionisti.
 

Topgun1976

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La subordinazione è una cosa, le caratteristiche del titolo sono un'altra cosa. L'aggettivo senior, junior, deeply si riferisce al grado di subordinazione, non alle caratteristiche del titolo.
Rimango della mia idea:),finora non mi sono mai pentito;)
 

nik.sala

Money Never Sleeps
Ciao Zorba,
se ne hai già parlato, allora il passaggio mi è sfuggito.
Quali P (o categorie di P) secondo te "rimangono in bolla" e perché?
si parlava (secondo me a ragione) dei t1 di coba/eurohypo in seguito all'emissione lt2 al 7,75%
A questi prezzi sono decisamente da evitare, nonostante si percepisca un ritorno alla cedola IMHO
 

Zorba

Bos 4 Mod
Ciao Zorba,
se ne hai già parlato, allora il passaggio mi è sfuggito.
Quali P (o categorie di P) secondo te "rimangono in bolla" e perché?

Ciao Rott,
Mi riferivo a tutti i T1 di buona/ottima qualità TF (anche step up) che danno il 5-6% e quotano in area 90-100, i T1 di Coba, le ciofeche tedesche, etc...

Visti gli attuali rendimenti delle LT2, mi sembrano ben prezzati anche i T1 con YTC dell'8% and below.
 

bia06

Listen other's viewpoint avoid conflicts & wars.
tds greci

tds greci

Il summit di ieri era preceduto da previsioni per lo più negative. "Unexpectedly", i risultati sono stati abbastanza positivi, anche se le somme si potranno tirare solo tra 2 settimane.
Ecco ora la domanda che vi pongo: se aveste conosciuto in anticipo (diciamo ieri mattina) l'esito del summit, quali tra i seguenti titoli avreste acquistato?
*TdS greci
*TdS italiani e spagnoli
*TdS irlandesi
*azionario banche
*perp, in particolare dei Paesi periferici con alta cedola a TF
*perp, in particolare TV
*nessuno
*altri

Chi vuole dire la sua?
 

Zorba

Bos 4 Mod
Indiscrezioni sugli stress test irlandesi

Da prendere con le molle: l'Irlanda è in piena battaglia politica con la UE.

*.*.*.*

Banks will need another €25bn


Stress tests on crippled lenders reveal black hole even bigger than feared

By DANIEL McCONNELL Chief Reporter Exclusive

Sunday March 13 2011

Ireland's financial future has been dealt a massive blow as a further black hole of up to €25bn in the Irish banks has emerged as part of the Government's stress testing.
Senior government sources have confirmed to this newspaper that the stress-testing process will show that the state of the banks' balance sheets is "considerably worse" than previously thought.
It has emerged that on top of the €10bn capitalisation deferred by former Finance Minister Brian Lenihan last month, losses at the banks mean that a further injection of between €15bn and €25bn could now be needed.
The results of the rigorous stress-testing process, designed to restore confidence in the banking system, are to be presented to new Finance Minister Michael Noonan next week.
News that Ireland will need substantially more money from the IMF/EU to address the crisis in the banks is a blow to Taoiseach Enda Kenny's hopes to get a better deal at the EU summit later this month.
Before entering government, both Fine Gael and Labour committed to putting the deferred €10bn into the banks, but it is now clear the amount needed will be at least double that.
"The additional amount is certainly higher than €10bn but is lower than the huge figures being spoken about in Europe. But inevitably it does mean further pain for the taxpayer," a senior government source told this newspaper.
The position is so serious that at least one of the main banks cannot source funding on the international capital markets and is relying on the Central Bank of Ireland and the European Central Bank for funding.
Under the terms of last November's €85bn IMF/EU deal, €35bn of that was allocated for capitalisation of the banks. The initial €10bn was due to go in last month but was deferred because Mr Lenihan said he "had no mandate" to carry out that transfer. The remaining €25bn was kept as a contingency fund to be used only as a last resort.
However, given the deeper level of losses on the balance sheets of the banks as revealed by the stress testing, it now seems the entirety of that contingency fund could be used up to fill the ever-increasing hole in the Irish banks.
Writing today in the Sunday Independent, UCD economist Colm McCarthy said the plan under the IMF/EU deal to recapitalise the banks could not be financed within the resources available.
"The programme (for government) does mention the need to cap the exchequer cost of the bank rescue, which is a roundabout way of acknowledging that additional financing in some form will be needed," he said.
Given the €150bn-plus line of funding given by the ECB to Ireland to date, any need for further capital will severely damage Taoiseach Enda Kenny's position to obtain more favourable terms in terms of the bailout at the EU summit in two weeks' time.
By drawing down on the additional funds, Ireland's debt burden will also increase to above 120 per cent of GDP, which is incredibly high.
Senior government sources said this weekend that while the stress testing was not complete, early estimates were that the state of the banks was once again worse than feared.
"The hope was that this stress-testing process would not show any further losses. Unfortunately, that is not the case, there is worse still to come," the source said.
The gravity of the news means there are growing fears that Anglo Irish Bank chairman Alan Dukes's prediction that a further €40bn -- on top of the €10bn set aside -- could be needed to meet the banks' needs may not be far off.
Two weeks ago, Central Bank governor Patrick Honohan said he would be "very disappointed" if the entire contingency fund would be needed, as it now appears.
Mr Lenihan said the figures being talked about appear speculative but his deferral of the capitalisation at the end of February would enable the new Government to boost the banks' balance sheets in one go, once stress testing was complete.
- DANIEL McCONNELL Chief Reporter Exclusive
Sunday Independent

Banks will need another €25bn - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie
 

Zorba

Bos 4 Mod
Da prendere con le molle: l'Irlanda è in piena battaglia politica con la UE.

*.*.*.*

Banks will need another €25bn


Stress tests on crippled lenders reveal black hole even bigger than feared

By DANIEL McCONNELL Chief Reporter Exclusive

Sunday March 13 2011

Ireland's financial future has been dealt a massive blow as a further black hole of up to €25bn in the Irish banks has emerged as part of the Government's stress testing.
Senior government sources have confirmed to this newspaper that the stress-testing process will show that the state of the banks' balance sheets is "considerably worse" than previously thought.
It has emerged that on top of the €10bn capitalisation deferred by former Finance Minister Brian Lenihan last month, losses at the banks mean that a further injection of between €15bn and €25bn could now be needed.
The results of the rigorous stress-testing process, designed to restore confidence in the banking system, are to be presented to new Finance Minister Michael Noonan next week.
News that Ireland will need substantially more money from the IMF/EU to address the crisis in the banks is a blow to Taoiseach Enda Kenny's hopes to get a better deal at the EU summit later this month.
Before entering government, both Fine Gael and Labour committed to putting the deferred €10bn into the banks, but it is now clear the amount needed will be at least double that.
"The additional amount is certainly higher than €10bn but is lower than the huge figures being spoken about in Europe. But inevitably it does mean further pain for the taxpayer," a senior government source told this newspaper.
The position is so serious that at least one of the main banks cannot source funding on the international capital markets and is relying on the Central Bank of Ireland and the European Central Bank for funding.
Under the terms of last November's €85bn IMF/EU deal, €35bn of that was allocated for capitalisation of the banks. The initial €10bn was due to go in last month but was deferred because Mr Lenihan said he "had no mandate" to carry out that transfer. The remaining €25bn was kept as a contingency fund to be used only as a last resort.
However, given the deeper level of losses on the balance sheets of the banks as revealed by the stress testing, it now seems the entirety of that contingency fund could be used up to fill the ever-increasing hole in the Irish banks.
Writing today in the Sunday Independent, UCD economist Colm McCarthy said the plan under the IMF/EU deal to recapitalise the banks could not be financed within the resources available.
"The programme (for government) does mention the need to cap the exchequer cost of the bank rescue, which is a roundabout way of acknowledging that additional financing in some form will be needed," he said.
Given the €150bn-plus line of funding given by the ECB to Ireland to date, any need for further capital will severely damage Taoiseach Enda Kenny's position to obtain more favourable terms in terms of the bailout at the EU summit in two weeks' time.
By drawing down on the additional funds, Ireland's debt burden will also increase to above 120 per cent of GDP, which is incredibly high.
Senior government sources said this weekend that while the stress testing was not complete, early estimates were that the state of the banks was once again worse than feared.
"The hope was that this stress-testing process would not show any further losses. Unfortunately, that is not the case, there is worse still to come," the source said.
The gravity of the news means there are growing fears that Anglo Irish Bank chairman Alan Dukes's prediction that a further €40bn -- on top of the €10bn set aside -- could be needed to meet the banks' needs may not be far off.
Two weeks ago, Central Bank governor Patrick Honohan said he would be "very disappointed" if the entire contingency fund would be needed, as it now appears.
Mr Lenihan said the figures being talked about appear speculative but his deferral of the capitalisation at the end of February would enable the new Government to boost the banks' balance sheets in one go, once stress testing was complete.
- DANIEL McCONNELL Chief Reporter Exclusive
Sunday Independent

Banks will need another €25bn - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

Mi sa di bufala domenicale, visto che il Piano per l'Inrlanda contemplava già i 10 bln di ricapitalizzazione (preventivati per fine mese) e un contingency fund di 25 bln...
 

bosmeld

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è successo davvero un casino in giappone.


le società di riassicurazione,penso patiranno parecchio la cosa.

mercato giapponese domani potrebbe prendere una botta memorabile.

non voglio neanche pensare cosa succederebbe se ci fossero seri problemi alle centrali nucleari.


la banca centrale già si prepara.

15.10 - Boj: "Sosterremo i mercati"
La Bank of Japan (BoJ) darà il suo sostegno nella difficile prova della riapertura dei mercati. Lo afferma il governatore, Masaaki Shirakawa, aggiungendo che ''la liquidità sarà assicurata''.
 
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maxinblack

Forumer storico
Ciao, Nbog per me è la migliore banca greca che c'è, il problema è che i titoli sono o troppo cari o illiquidi.

i titoli nbog li scrissi indietro sono questi:

XS0172122904 Euribor 3m+1,75% (cedola trimestrale) call 11/07/2013 poi Euribor 3m+2,75%

XS0203171755 irs10a+0,125% max 8% call 03/11/2014 (cedola semestrale)
costa sopra 60:eek::eek: troppo caro, per quanto ottima banca

XS0203173298 irs10a+0,125% max 8,5% call 03/11/2014 USD (cedola sem)

XS0211489207 6% fino al 16/02/2010 call 16/02/2015 poi 4*(IRS10a - IRS2a) min 3,25% max 10% a me diedero come quotazione 52-62 (troppo spread)

XS0272106351 6.2889% call 08/11/2016 poi Libor 3m+2,08% (pound)



la banca mi piace, ma le quotazioni non sono interessanti, se lunedì ti va chiedi i prezzi di tutte queste emnissioni, e vediamo un po di ragionarci sopra meglio, con iw, mi sembra che erano tutte illiquide tranne quelle 2 e quella in pouind, ma non mi ricordo più bene.



efg non è male, anche se a me piace di più alpha, cmq un cip ci sta, io prenderei questa XS0234821345 chje è taglio 1k, per quanto è interessante anche questa taglio 50k XS0232848399



TUTTI I TITOLI GRECI SONO SENZA LOSS ABSORBTION, E NON CUMULATIVI


Ciao Bos Ho rispolverato questo tuo messaggio sulle P greche specialmente NBOG, le quotazioni rispetto a quando lo postasti sono diminuite, che ne dici dopo l'accordo sulla Grecia forse NBOG potrebbe essere interessante, potresti controllare su BLMberg se sono acquistabili?
 
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