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discipline

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cosa intendi con (chissa cosa ci aspetta) le lasciano cosi a mercato? continuano a pagare cedola? ecc. ecc.:help::help::help:
Intendevo questo:

Bank of Ireland also confirmed that its Liability Management Exercise - or 'burning' of subordinate bondholders - has raised €1.96bn in capital.
It expects 'further measures' will raise an additional €500m in capital. This is believed to be by way of the Minister for Finance seeking a court order to impose losses on subordinate bondholders who did not accept the terms of the Liability Management Exercise, which was essentially a debt for equity swap, under which bondholders were offered new shares in the bank equivalent to 40% of the face value of their bondholding, or 20% if they wanted cash.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0708/boi.html



Questo invece è dal sito di Boi, da leggere con attenzione e interpretare:

Completion of Debt for Equity offers and further burden sharing with remaining subordinated bondholders
Eligible Debt Securities having a nominal value of approximately €0.60 billion will remain outstanding after the settlement of the Debt for Equity Offers and the exercise of the relevant call options by the Group, including €0.18 billion outstanding in respect of the Canadian Notes and the 13.375% Notes. The Bank expects to complete the offer for the Canadian Notes by 12 August 2011 and intends to undertake a new offer in respect of the 13.375% Notes in due course (together the “Remaining LME Offers”).
As set out in the Prospectus, to the extent the capital the Minister expected to generate through further burden sharing with remaining subordinated bondholders had not been generated by 8 July 2011, it was expected that the Minister would seek the permission of the Central Bank to extend the deadline for the generation of this expected capital beyond 31 July 2011. The Central Bank today extended the deadline to 31 December 2011 in the amount of €0.51 billion, in respect of Core Tier 1 Capital expected to be generated from a combination of the further burden sharing with bondholders anticipated by the Minister and the Remaining LME Offers (together the “Further Capital Raising Measures”) and accordingly this amount has been deducted from the Bank’s overall capital requirement in arriving at the final Rights Issue size.
This €0.51 billion is a small element of the overall capital raising of €5.2 billion. The Bank’s pro forma Core Tier 1 Capital Ratio would significantly exceed the regulatory minimum of 10.5% following the completion of the capital raise.1

Future Equity Capital Raising Requirements
The Bank expects that €0.51 billion in Core Tier 1 Capital will be generated from the Further Capital Raising Measures. The Directors confirm that should the Further Capital Raising Measures generate less Core Tier 1 Capital than expected requiring the generation of further equity capital, the Directors expect that such equity would be raised in a manner which would provide Ordinary Stockholders the opportunity to participate in the capital raising at the same price per stock unit as any stock the State would acquire in such capital raising and pro rata to their stockholding in the Bank.
Since this expectation has only been confirmed today, it was not referred to in the original Prospectus. A Supplementary Prospectus has been published today to supplement and update the original Prospectus for this development.

http://www.bankofireland.com/fs/doc/wysiwyg/Bank of Ireland Rights Issue Terms 08_07_2011.pdf
 
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negusneg

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Intendevo questo:

Bank of Ireland also confirmed that its Liability Management Exercise - or 'burning' of subordinate bondholders - has raised €1.96bn in capital.
It expects 'further measures' will raise an additional €500m in capital. This is believed to be by way of the Minister for Finance seeking a court order to impose losses on subordinate bondholders who did not accept the terms of the Liability Management Exercise, which was essentially a debt for equity swap, under which bondholders were offered new shares in the bank equivalent to 40% of the face value of their bondholding, or 20% if they wanted cash.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0708/boi.html

How about a magic wand which transforms bondholders into shareholders :lol:

:wall: assholes :wall:



Questo invece è dal sito di Boi, da leggere con attenzione e interpretare:

Completion of Debt for Equity offers and further burden sharing with remaining subordinated bondholders
Eligible Debt Securities having a nominal value of approximately €0.60 billion will remain outstanding after the settlement of the Debt for Equity Offers and the exercise of the relevant call options by the Group, including €0.18 billion outstanding in respect of the Canadian Notes and the 13.375% Notes. The Bank expects to complete the offer for the Canadian Notes by 12 August 2011 and intends to undertake a new offer in respect of the 13.375% Notes in due course (together the “Remaining LME Offers”).
As set out in the Prospectus, to the extent the capital the Minister expected to generate through further burden sharing with remaining subordinated bondholders had not been generated by 8 July 2011, it was expected that the Minister would seek the permission of the Central Bank to extend the deadline for the generation of this expected capital beyond 31 July 2011. The Central Bank today extended the deadline to 31 December 2011 in the amount of €0.51 billion, in respect of Core Tier 1 Capital expected to be generated from a combination of the further burden sharing with bondholders anticipated by the Minister and the Remaining LME Offers (together the “Further Capital Raising Measures”) and accordingly this amount has been deducted from the Bank’s overall capital requirement in arriving at the final Rights Issue size.
This €0.51 billion is a small element of the overall capital raising of €5.2 billion. The Bank’s pro forma Core Tier 1 Capital Ratio would significantly exceed the regulatory minimum of 10.5% following the completion of the capital raise.1

Future Equity Capital Raising Requirements
The Bank expects that €0.51 billion in Core Tier 1 Capital will be generated from the Further Capital Raising Measures. The Directors confirm that should the Further Capital Raising Measures generate less Core Tier 1 Capital than expected requiring the generation of further equity capital, the Directors expect that such equity would be raised in a manner which would provide Ordinary Stockholders the opportunity to participate in the capital raising at the same price per stock unit as any stock the State would acquire in such capital raising and pro rata to their stockholding in the Bank.
Since this expectation has only been confirmed today, it was not referred to in the original Prospectus. A Supplementary Prospectus has been published today to supplement and update the original Prospectus for this development.

http://www.bankofireland.com/fs/doc/wysiwyg/Bank of Ireland Rights Issue Terms 08_07_2011.pdf

Vogliono riaprire i termini dell'offerta, ed estendere l'offerta agli azionisti con un aumento di capitale.
 

discipline

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How about a magic wand which transforms bondholders into shareholders :lol:

:wall: assholes :wall:





Vogliono riaprire i termini dell'offerta, ed estendere l'offerta agli azionisti con un aumento di capitale.
La banca sarà fortemente ricapitalizzata (Core Tier 1 Capital Ratio would significantly exceed the regulatory minimum of 10.5% following the completion of the capital raise), nel caso non raggiungessero gli obiettivi di capitale (con scadenza spostata a fine 2011) si rivolgeranno agli azionisti, senza alcuna illusione ma il comunicato della banca forse lascia qualche speranza per i titoli che non hanno aderito allo scambio..
 
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Zorba

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La banca sarà fortemente ricapitalizzata (Core Tier 1 Capital Ratio would significantly exceed the regulatory minimum of 10.5% following the completion of the capital raise), nel caso non raggiungessero gli obiettivi di capitale (con scadenza spostata a fine 2011) si rivolgeranno agli azionisti, senza alcuna illusione ma il comunicato della banca forse lascia qualche speranza per i titoli che non hanno aderito allo scambio..

Disci, ve lo auguro, ma ho poche speranze. In Irlanda sembrano impazziti. Un po' come nei film con gli zombie. Preso il virus, e' la fine...

I tds irlandesi sarebbero da downgradare a C...:rolleyes:
 

angy2008

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Disci, ve lo auguro, ma ho poche speranze. In Irlanda sembrano impazziti. Un po' come nei film con gli zombie. Preso il virus, e' la fine...

I tds irlandesi sarebbero da downgradare a C...:rolleyes:


pare che sia la variante suinaflu del virus argentino e non ci sono vaccini perchè è in continua mutazione genetica, occorre istituire rigidi cordoni sanitari al mercato affinchè non si contagino altri PIGS
 

Castor Troy

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Ciao a tutti.

Scusate l'intrusione ogni tanto. Ma vi leggo sempre con molto interesse.
Ho anch'io tra le altre le group 414: pensavo di incrementare ma non ho ben capito se lo scenario lo permette oppure conviene star fermi.
Ieri comunque la brutta botta presa dall'indice italiano temo che sia più legato alla instabilità politica (ed alla eventuale alternanza con la sinistra che notoriamente tende a far scendere i valori di borsa: ma poi perchè? Questi nulla fanno per lo sviluppo) che ad una effettiva debacle della economia italiana.

Il futuro tuttavia è denso di nubi: nessuno vuole mettere mano alla riforma dei privilegi di ogni casta che esiste in Italia e questo sarà la nostra definitiva rovina. Possibile che la polita non si renda conto che almeno il 50% dei politi deve andare a lavorare e smettere di vivere di rendita su incarichi che fruttano soldi ma che non creano nulla perchè impossibile svolgerli: se hai dieci incarichi giocoforza non hai tempo!

Leggo spesso che il parametro di riferimento sembra sia lo Sma a 10 mesi che ha offerto in passato tra gli indicatori alcune occasioni di anticipare l'andamento del mercato. E dunque essendo ormai giunto il ventottesimo mese di bull ciclico almeno fino alla fine di luglio stiamo diciamo così coperti ma si intravede la discesnia che dovrebbe portarci dallo Spoore di 1340 a 730 circa.

La domanda è? Come ci si comporta? Si sta a guardare o si attende?
A mio avviso imbroccare la previsione non è impossibile ma diventa davvero arduo assumere la giusta strategia. Nel contesto politico italiano (senza speranze ovvero inutile) ed internazionale.
 
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