Zorba
Bos 4 Mod
Magari SNS a 45
. Cmq sotto i 50 diventa molto interessante. C'è l'ho nel mirino, non appena riesco a realizzare una certa operazione con la nuova banca...
Obbligazioni perpetue e subordinate Tutto quello che avreste sempre voluto sapere sulle obbligazioni perpetue... - Cap. 2 (58 lettori)
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Magari SNS a 45
. Cmq sotto i 50 diventa molto interessante. C'è l'ho nel mirino, non appena riesco a realizzare una certa operazione con la nuova banca...
financeligth
mezzanine user
Coupons Interest on the Series A Sterling Capital Securities will be
payable from and including 21 January 2009 to but excluding
22 January 2019 at the rate of 13 per cent. per annum
essodo la data di inizio godimento il 21/1/2009 ed essendo le cedole pagate semestralmente, mancano all'appello:
21/7/2009
21/1/2010
21/7/2010
21/1/2011
21/7/2011
21/1/2012
e quindi non sono 2.5, ma 3 anni pieni !!
Ti torna Obsoleto ?
e quindi a luglio si dovrebbe incassare ben 3,5 x 13% !
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Rottweiler
Forumer storico
Ciao Cris,
sono stato incuriosito dal tuo post, non fosse altro per la cedola succulenta.
Puoi dirci quale livello di rischio assegni a questo tuo "rientro"?
Sono rimasto un filo basito quando ho visto il grafico della quotazione dell'azione:
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Zorba
Bos 4 Mod
Ho ricontrollato Groupama ed il circolo dei coupon pusher. Visto che ne ho un pochine, ogni tanto preferisco rinfrescarmi le idee: la memoria è fallace.
Se non si verifica alcun Solvency Event:
- la cedola di luglio 2012 della 751 è garantita, in quanto la cedola di ottobre 2011 della 464 funge da coupon pusher per questa;
- la cedola di ottobre 2012 della 464 è garantita, in quanto la cedola di luglio 2012 della 751 fungerà da coupon pusher;
- e così via ..
Insomma, se non si verifica alcun Solvency event (vale a dire il Solvency Margin scende sotto 100 e ci rimane per un tot), le T2 di Groupama garantisco un grazioso circolo virtuoso, per cui l'una fa da coupon pusher all'altra ed il pagamento delle cedole dovrebbe essere sempre garantito (almeno fino alla call della 751).
Se non si verifica alcun Solvency Event:
- la cedola di luglio 2012 della 751 è garantita, in quanto la cedola di ottobre 2011 della 464 funge da coupon pusher per questa;
- la cedola di ottobre 2012 della 464 è garantita, in quanto la cedola di luglio 2012 della 751 fungerà da coupon pusher;
- e così via ..
Insomma, se non si verifica alcun Solvency event (vale a dire il Solvency Margin scende sotto 100 e ci rimane per un tot), le T2 di Groupama garantisco un grazioso circolo virtuoso, per cui l'una fa da coupon pusher all'altra ed il pagamento delle cedole dovrebbe essere sempre garantito (almeno fino alla call della 751).
fabriziof
Forumer storico
è un grafico fasullo guarda qua
3W POWER Share Price | 3W9.DE- Yahoo! UK & Ireland Finance
vero è che ultimamente è scesa perchè è svanita l'ipotesi di takeover che aveva fatto salire i prezzi di azione e obbligazione.io ne ho un cippino,dietro c'è aeg ma meglio stare cauti
obsoleto
Forumer attivo
Finance,
io qui devo umilmente ammettere la mia impreparazione nel trovare in Bloomberg quali cedole siano state pagate e quali no...
Usando però Telekurs io ricavo la videata che ti allego in cui sembra che le cedole siano sospese dal dal 31/7/2010 in poi. Se così fosse significherebbe che le cedole cumulate in pancia sarebbero 2 anni *13% (che è anche quello che io ho sempre saputo, ma ammetto mai verificato). Comunque anche l'assistenza di Bloomberg non è stata in grado di sapermi dire se c'è il modo di vedere quali cedole siano state effettivamente pagate e quali no (io credevo fosse possibile con il comando CSHF ma così non è...).
Se qualcuno riesce a dipanare l'enigma vince un aperitivo pagato dal sottoscritto!
Allegati
Rottweiler
Forumer storico
Ho ricontrollato Groupama ed il circolo dei coupon pusher. Visto che ne ho un pochine, ogni tanto preferisco rinfrescarmi le idee: la memoria è fallace.
Se non si verifica alcun Solvency Event:
- la cedola di luglio 2012 della 751 è garantita, in quanto la cedola di ottobre 2011 della 464 funge da coupon pusher per questa;
- la cedola di ottobre 2012 della 464 è garantita, in quanto la cedola di luglio 2012 della 751 fungerà da coupon pusher;
- e così via ..
Insomma, se non si verifica alcun Solvency event (vale a dire il Solvency Margin scende sotto 100 e ci rimane per un tot), le T2 di Groupama garantisco un grazioso circolo virtuoso, per cui l'una fa da coupon pusher all'altra ed il pagamento delle cedole dovrebbe essere sempre garantito (almeno fino alla call della 751).
Ciao Zorba,
vado a braccio, ma credo che il "circolo virtuoso" sia troppo bello per essere vero.
Mi sembra di ricordare che coupon pusher sia il pagamento non mandatory di cedola almeno pari passu. Quelli che citi sono stati "spinti", credo, dal dividendo azionario, e pertanto non possono fungere da pusher a loro volta.
In questo momento non ho la possibilità di controllare: ti suggerisco di verificare se questa clausola è frutto della mia memoria sballata...
cris71
Forumer storico
guarda ne ho circa 20k , le ho messe sullo stesso piano di air berlin ( io ho il bond scadenza 2014 ) rischio moderato per me , come diceva fabri dietro c'è pur sempre aeg
financeligth
mezzanine user
Tuesday 03 November, 2009
Lloyds Banking Group
Hybrid Capital Securities
RNS Number : 8211B
Lloyds Banking Group PLC
03 November 2009
Nel seguito il testo di Lloyds e l'annuncio del blocco dei coupon.
L'annuncio fu fatto ad inizio novembre 2009 e prevede il blocco dei pagamenti dal 31/1/2010.
Ho scritto all'IR di LLoyds per avere una risposta ufficiale.
102/09 3 November 2009
LLOYDS BANKING GROUP - HYBRID CAPITAL SECURITIES
Update on negotiations with the European Commission regarding hybrid capital securities (including preference shares) issued by Lloyds Banking Group plc (the "Company") and its subsidiaries (together, the "Group")
Introduction
Over the past few months, HM Treasury and the Group have been involved in detailed negotiations with the European Commission regarding the terms of a restructuring plan which is required in the context of a review resulting from the state aid which has been received by the Group. The Group, together with HM Treasury, has now finalised negotiations with the European Commission around the terms of the restructuring plan and the Group expects to receive a formal decision from the European Commission on the state aid position and the restructuring plan by the end of 2009. These negotiations have included discussions around the restrictions to be required in relation to the payment of coupons and dividends on hybrid capital securities (including preference shares) and on the exercise of any optional issuer call rights (''capital calls'') applicable to such hybrid capital securities.
Dividend and Coupon Restrictions and Capital Calls
These negotiations have made clear that the European Commission intends to require a commitment that members of the Group will not make a discretionary payment of coupons or dividends on hybrid capital securities issued by members of the Group (other than members of the Company's insurance group). The Company believes that holders of the Relevant Subject Securities (as set out below) will be adversely affected by the Group's inability to make such payments. The ''Relevant Subject Securities'' are those securities on which the Group currently has - or will within a contractually defined period have - no obligation (by reason of the terms of either those or other securities) to make payments of coupons or dividends. The Company believes that the relevant scheduled coupon or dividend payment dates that will be subject to the commitment not to pay dividends or coupons will be those falling within the two-year period commencing 31 January 2010 (the ''Affected Period''), as more fully described below.
Further, the Company, together with HM Treasury, has now finalised its negotiations with the European Commission on the treatment of capital calls. The Company believes that those hybrid capital securities issued by members of the Group (other than members of the Company's insurance group) which contain capital calls falling within the Affected Period will also be affected by the commitment expected to be required by the European Commission and therefore that the Group will not be able to exercise call options on any hybrid capital securities issued by members of the Group (other than members of the Company's insurance group) on their respective optional redemption dates during the Affected Period. The list of Relevant Subject Securities set out below reflects expected non-payments of coupons and dividends but does not contain all hybrid capital securities (for example, Lower Tier 2 notes) that may be subject to the restriction on making capital calls in the Affected Period.
The Company expects to receive a formal decision from the European Commission on the state aid position and the restructuring plan by the end of 2009. Since the ultimate decision regarding the commitments in relation to discretionary coupons and dividend payments and capital calls will be taken by the College of Commissioners, the Company is unable to give any assurances as to the outcome of the discussions referred to above.
Relevant Subject Securities
The Relevant Subject Securities referred to above are those set out in the table below. The holders of securities not listed below should note that payments of coupons and dividends will only be made subject to the terms of those securities and of other relevant parity or senior securities of the Group. Statutory and contractual restrictions on the payment of coupons and dividends may also apply to those securities. For example, certain securities contain restrictions relating to (i) the sufficiency of the relevant issuer's distributable reserves (or adjusted distributable reserves) or those of a guarantor or (ii) a breach of the Financial Services Authority's capital adequacy requirements at the time of, or as a result of the payment of, such coupons or dividends. Holders are advised to review the terms and conditions of such securities.
The Relevant Subject Securities are set out below:
ISIN
Title and Nominal Amount at date of Issue of Relevant Subject Securities
Number of coupon or dividend payments expected to be made in relation to each Relevant Subject Security during the Affected Period*
Relevant Existing Preference Shares
XS0408828803
GB00B3KSB675
Lloyds Banking Group plc
£745,431,000 6.0884% Non-Cumulative Fixed to Floating Rate Preference Shares
-
XS0408826427
Lloyds Banking Group plc
£334,951,000 6.3673% Non-Cumulative Fixed to Floating Rate Preference Shares
-
GB00B3KSB568
Lloyds Banking Group plc
£186,190,532 6.475% Non-Cumulative Preference Shares
-
GB00B3KS9W93
Lloyds Banking Group plc
£299,987,729 9.25% Non-Cumulative Irredeemable Preference Shares
-
GB00B3KSB238
Lloyds Banking Group plc
£99,999,942 9.75% Non-Cumulative Irredeemable Preference Shares
-
XS0406095637
Lloyds Banking Group plc
€500,000,000 7.875% Non-Cumulative Preference Shares
-
XS0406095041
Lloyds Banking Group plc
U.S.$1,250,000,000 7.875% Non-Cumulative Preference Shares
-
USG5533WAB30
Lloyds Banking Group plc
U.S.$750,000,000 5.92% Series B Fixed to Floating Rate Non-Cumulative Preference Shares
-
USG5533WAA56
Lloyds Banking Group plc
U.S.$750,000,000 6.413% Series A Fixed to Floating Rate Non-Cumulative Preference Shares
-
US539439AB54
Lloyds Banking Group plc
U.S.$1,000,000,000 6.267% American Depositary Shares representing 1,000,000 Fixed to Floating Rate Non-Cumulative Preference Shares
-
US539439AE93
Lloyds Banking Group plc
U.S.$750,000,000 6.657% Fixed to Floating Rate Non-Cumulative Preference Shares
-
XS0265483064
Saphir Finance Public Limited Company
£600,000,000 6.369% Perpetual Non-Cumulative Securities (Lloyds Banking Group plc £600,000,000 6.369% Preference Shares (GB00B1BQH919))
-
Relevant Existing Capital Securities
XS0107222258
Lloyds TSB Capital 1 L.P.
€430,000,000 7.375% Step-up Non-Voting Non-Cumulative Preferred Securities (annual coupon)
1
XS0107228024
Lloyds TSB Bank Capital 2 L.P.
£250,000,000 7.834% Sterling Step-up Non-voting Non-cumulative Preferred Securities (annual coupon)
1
XS0255242769
HBOS Capital Funding No.3 L.P.
€750,000,000 4.939% Fixed-to-Floating Rate Non-voting Non-cumulative Perpetual Preferred Securities
-
XS0218638236
Lloyds TSB Bank plc
€750,000,000 4.385% Step-up Perpetual Capital Securities
-
XS0353590366
HBOS Capital Funding No.4 L.P.
£750,000,000 9.54% Fixed-to-Floating Rate Non-Voting Non-cumulative Perpetual Preferred Securities
-
XS0408620135
Lloyds TSB Bank plc
£784,611,000 13.00% Step-up Perpetual Capital Securities
-
XS0408623311
Lloyds TSB Bank plc
€532,111,000 13.00% Euro Step-up Perpetual Capital Securities
-
XS0408620721
Lloyds TSB Bank plc
£700,022,000 13.00% Sterling Step-up Perpetual Capital Securities
-
Relevant Existing Notes
GB0000765403
Bank of Scotland plc
U.S.$250,000,000 Undated Floating Rate Primary Capital Notes
-
US4041A2AG96 (144A)
US4041A3AF96
(Reg S)
HBOS plc
U.S.$1,000,000,000 5.375% Undated Fixed to Floating Rate Subordinated Notes (semi-annual coupon)
1
GB0005224307
Lloyds TSB Bank plc
U.S.$750,000,000 Primary Capital Undated Floating Rate Notes (Series 1) (semi-annual coupon)
1
GB0005205751
Lloyds TSB Bank plc
U.S.$500,000,000 Primary Capital Undated Floating Rate Notes (Series 2) (quarterly coupon)
2
GB0005232391
Lloyds TSB Bank plc
U.S.$600,000,000 Primary Capital Undated Floating Rate Notes (semi-annual coupon)
1
XS0099508698
Lloyds TSB Bank plc
£410,000,000 6.625% Undated Subordinated Step-up Notes
-
XS0046690961
Bank of Scotland plc
£200,000,000 8.625% Perpetual Subordinated Notes
-
XS0188201536
HBOS plc
€750,000,000 4.875% Undated Subordinated Fixed to Floating Rate Instruments (annual coupon)
1
XS0188201619
HBOS plc
€500,000,000 Floating Rate Undated Subordinated Instruments (quarterly coupon)
3
XS0059171230
Bank of Scotland plc
£100,000,000 10.25% Subordinated Undated Instruments (annual coupon)
1
XS0056390007
Lloyds TSB Bank plc
¥20,000,000,000 Undated Subordinated 5.57% Step-up Coupon Notes (semi-annual coupon)
1
XS0177955381
HBOS plc
€750,000,000 5.125% Undated Subordinated Fixed to Floating Rate Notes
-
XS0063730203
Bank of Scotland plc
¥17,000,000,000 4.25% Subordinated Undated Instruments (semi-annual coupon)
2
XS0169667119
Lloyds TSB Bank plc
£500,000,000 5.125% Upper Tier 2 Callable Perpetual Subordinated Notes
-
XS0099507534
Lloyds TSB Bank plc
£270,000,000 6.50% Undated Subordinated Step-up Notes
-
XS0205326290
HBOS plc
£500,000,000 5.625% Cumulative Callable Fixed to Floating Rate Undated Subordinated Notes
-
GB0000395094
Bank of Scotland plc
£100,000,000 12.00% Perpetual Subordinated Bonds (semi-annual coupon)
1
XS0083932144
Bank of Scotland plc
£150,000,000 7.375% Subordinated Undated Instruments (annual coupon)
1
GB0000395102
Bank of Scotland plc
£100,000,000 8.750% Perpetual Subordinated Bonds (semi-annual coupon)
1
XS0079927850
Lloyds TSB Bank plc
£200,000,000 8% Undated Subordinated Step-up Notes
-
GB0005242879
Bank of Scotland plc
£50,000,000 9.375% Perpetual Subordinated Bonds (semi-annual coupon)
1
XS0099507963
Lloyds TSB Bank plc
£450,000,000 6.50% Undated Subordinated Step-up Notes
-
XS0145407507
Lloyds Banking Group plc
£500,000,000 6.00% Undated Subordinated Guaranteed Bonds
-
GB0000394915
Bank of Scotland plc
£75,000,000 13.625% Perpetual Subordinated Bonds
-
*
Note: subject to the availability of distributable reserves and to the issuer or the Group not being in breach of FSA capital adequacy requirements, where applicable.
This announcement does not constitute a prospectus or prospectus equivalent document.
Neither the content of Lloyds Banking Group's website nor any website accessible by hyperlinks on Lloyds Banking Group's website is incorporated in, or forms part of, this announcement.
This announcement has been prepared for the purposes of complying with applicable law and regulation in the UK and the information disclosed may not be the same as that which would have been disclosed if this announcement had been prepared in accordance with the laws and regulations of any jurisdiction outside of the UK.
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For further information:
Investor Relations
Michael Oliver +44 (0) 20 7356 2167
Director of Investor Relations
Email: [email protected]
Moira d'Arcy +44 (0) 20 7356 2164
Head of Debt Investor Relations
Email: moira.d'[email protected]
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