fabriziof
Forumer storico
Con i soldi del warrant chi ha scambiato si é rifatto a iosa ,o no?
Titoli di Stato area non Euro ARGENTINA obbligazioni e tango bond (2 lettori)
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Con i soldi del warrant chi ha scambiato si é rifatto a iosa ,o no?
DinoP
life is good
hai ragione, ma io non ho aderito allo scambio e sono in causa.
speravo mi trattassero come il club
fabriziof
Forumer storico
per carità non voglio riaprire la diatriba tra holdouts e swappati,anche perchè non sono nè l'uno nè l'altro.hai ragione, ma io non ho aderito allo scambio e sono in causa.
speravo mi trattassero come il club
a posteriori con il warrant così generoso hanno fatto un errore clamoroso,che la grecia si è guardata bene dal ripetere.infatti quest'anno gli argentini,silenziosamente ,faranno default sul warrant
capt.harlock
MENA IL CAMMELLO FAN CLUB
per carità non voglio riaprire la diatriba tra holdouts e swappati,anche perchè non sono nè l'uno nè l'altro.
io invece la voglio riaprire
chi non ha accettato lo swap pretendeva di riavere 100 prendendo soldi da un cassetto dove ce ne erano solo 30
la truffa della truffa e' stata portata avanti come al solito dalle banche che hanno alimentato la speranza di riavere il 100% della somma investita, distogliendo l'attenzione sulla responsabilita' di chi aveva cmq fatto sottoscrivere con leggerezza e conflitto di interessi bond ad alto rischio a piccoli risparmiatori
in tanti sono stati contattati dalla propria banca per sottoscrivere bond argentina/parmalat/giacomelli
poi e' stato suggerito loro di fare causa (avvocato gratis) a parmalat eccecc.
molti di quelli che hanno fatto causa alla banca e' stato riconosciuto 100% + interessi
NON SI CHIEDONO SOLDI A CHI NON LI HA
Seconda offerta pubblica di scambio per bond argentini
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ficodindia
Forumer storico
In attesa del 12 giugno.
A me pare che probabilmente il governo argentino abbia qualche indizio concreto che il 12 giugno la sentenza della Corte Suprema non gli sarà sfavorevole. Ciò si può dedurre dalle esternazioni del primo ministro argentino Capitanich che oggi, 30 maggio, ha dichiarato che "“We have a final step so that either via the judicial system or voluntary agreement we can end this process of restructuring our debt.” .
Ossia il governo argentino è convinto che alla fine una soluzione agli holdout si troverà per via giudiziale o extragiudiziale.
Tra l'altro gli holdout " ... stand ready to reach a good-faith resolution.”
Inoltre se l'Argentina risolve il contenzioso con gli holdout, aprendosi il mercato internazionale per i finanziamenti, il problema della riduzione delle riserve dovrebbe essere risolto e contestualmente potrebbe beneficiare di un innalzamento del rating da parte della agenzie di rating.
In particolare, "Moody’s Investors Service, which cut the country’s credit rating to seven levels below investment grade in March, won’t upgrade it from Caa1 until those inflows have materialized", ossia fino a quando il contenzioso con gli holdout non è risolto positivamente e l'Argentina non ottiene le linee di credito necessarie, in particolare dalle banche centrali europee e dai mercati internazionali.
Argentina Leaves Singer for Last in Preparing Bond Market Return - Bloomberg
A me pare che probabilmente il governo argentino abbia qualche indizio concreto che il 12 giugno la sentenza della Corte Suprema non gli sarà sfavorevole. Ciò si può dedurre dalle esternazioni del primo ministro argentino Capitanich che oggi, 30 maggio, ha dichiarato che "“We have a final step so that either via the judicial system or voluntary agreement we can end this process of restructuring our debt.” .
Ossia il governo argentino è convinto che alla fine una soluzione agli holdout si troverà per via giudiziale o extragiudiziale.
Tra l'altro gli holdout " ... stand ready to reach a good-faith resolution.”
Inoltre se l'Argentina risolve il contenzioso con gli holdout, aprendosi il mercato internazionale per i finanziamenti, il problema della riduzione delle riserve dovrebbe essere risolto e contestualmente potrebbe beneficiare di un innalzamento del rating da parte della agenzie di rating.
In particolare, "Moody’s Investors Service, which cut the country’s credit rating to seven levels below investment grade in March, won’t upgrade it from Caa1 until those inflows have materialized", ossia fino a quando il contenzioso con gli holdout non è risolto positivamente e l'Argentina non ottiene le linee di credito necessarie, in particolare dalle banche centrali europee e dai mercati internazionali.
Argentina Leaves Singer for Last in Preparing Bond Market Return - Bloomberg
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ficodindia
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IMF 's Lagarde: 'Deal could help Argentina normalise its situation'
International Monetary Fund managing director Christine Lagarde today welcomed the debt deal Argentina has reached with the Paris Club.
During a visit to Mozambique, she stressed the deal could help Argentina "normalise its situation."
"I see this as part of a process through which Argentina is trying to regain position on the international scene," she said.
"It is part of an attempt by Argentina to normalise its situation. We hope that number one, it benefits them and number two, that they continue that process," she continued.
Lagarde said while the IMF was very closely working with the Paris Club on all issues, "on Argentina we could not possibly comment, issue a statement, assess a situation over which we had no information."
"The IMF certainly hopes that it will improve the situation of Argentina on the international scene," Lagarde added.
IMF 's Lagarde: 'Deal could help Argentina normalise its situation' - BuenosAiresHerald.com
International Monetary Fund managing director Christine Lagarde today welcomed the debt deal Argentina has reached with the Paris Club.
During a visit to Mozambique, she stressed the deal could help Argentina "normalise its situation."
"I see this as part of a process through which Argentina is trying to regain position on the international scene," she said.
"It is part of an attempt by Argentina to normalise its situation. We hope that number one, it benefits them and number two, that they continue that process," she continued.
Lagarde said while the IMF was very closely working with the Paris Club on all issues, "on Argentina we could not possibly comment, issue a statement, assess a situation over which we had no information."
"The IMF certainly hopes that it will improve the situation of Argentina on the international scene," Lagarde added.
IMF 's Lagarde: 'Deal could help Argentina normalise its situation' - BuenosAiresHerald.com
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ficodindia
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Kicillof says Argentina, Paris Club have built a 'society'
The economy minister hekd a conference today to brief the press on the agreement reached this week between Argentina and the 19-nation group of creditors. “It is a shared effort,” Axel Kicillof affirmed considering the accord will fuel foreign investments and thus fatten Argentina’s international reserves.
Stressing the debt the Kirchnerite administration has now restructured in France is a debt “previous governments had incurred in,” the minister explained the 2001 default has been hindering trade opportunities with the members of the Paris club.
“This is beneficial, it repairs the condition of irregularity that we had with some of the most important countries in the world that account for 55 percent of the global GDP,” Kicillof insisted pointing out the Paris accord was based on Argentina’s “responsibilities” and that “it will not jeopardize growth.”
The role of the IMF
“We have fixed one of the wrongs that liberalism left us,” the 42-year-old official told reporters as he renewed the government’s criticism of the role played by the International Monetary Fund in the 70’s, 80’s and mostly in the 90’s (the so called “neoliberal decade) that resulted in the 2001-2002 social, political and economic collapse and historic default.
Kicillof went ahead to describe in detail the role played by the IMF in Argentina’s previous negotiations with the Paris Club.
“In general, all the agreements that the Paris Club has reached have been under the supervision of the IMF. If a country had trouble paying its debt, then it turned to the IMF. That is Argentina’s own history, prior to the 2001 (crisis). Each of the governments turned running to the IMF because they could not keep up with the Club’s payments. The IMF lent them the money but also told them they had to commit with the reduction of social spending, the privatization of public companies. That is what we call 'to condition'. It is the lost of sovereignty and of economic independence,” Kicillof stated describing the Argentina-Paris Club 2014 negotiation precisely as “atypical.”
Despite the “interference” of the IMF in all the Club’s negotiations, the minister said Argentina “managed to agreen on a fee payment plan without the IMF.”
The “morality” of the accord
“Once we start making the first round of the debt’s due date payments, the credit agencies (of the states that shape up the Paris Club) will start opening the window again and lend companies money to invest in Argentina. If a company from one of those countries needs credit to come to invest in Argentina, it will access to very favourable interest rates,” the minister explained as he detailed the conditions of the agreement.
“We have agreed on minimum payments that will increase if new investments come to Argentina. This is a society we have created. As long as it creates credit so that companies come and invest here, Argentina will then pay more. It is a sort of shared effort,” Kicillof added referring to what he called the “morality” of the accord.
Following are the details of the payment plan the minister explained in today’s conference:
Payments will be made within the next five years. It could be extended to 7 years.
The total amount to be cleared off is 9.7 billion dollars.
The deal involves an interest rate of 3 percent – Kicillof highlighted previous contracts involved a 7-percent-rate and that “it has now been reduced to less than half of it.”
Axel Kicillof headed the Argentine mission to France that settled the dispute with the Paris Club.
On Thrusday, Argentina reached an agreement with the Paris Club on repaying overdue debts in a landmark deal that should help the country put its record default behind it and open up much-needed sources of international financing.
Kicillof says Argentina, Paris Club have built a 'society' - BuenosAiresHerald.com
The economy minister hekd a conference today to brief the press on the agreement reached this week between Argentina and the 19-nation group of creditors. “It is a shared effort,” Axel Kicillof affirmed considering the accord will fuel foreign investments and thus fatten Argentina’s international reserves.
Stressing the debt the Kirchnerite administration has now restructured in France is a debt “previous governments had incurred in,” the minister explained the 2001 default has been hindering trade opportunities with the members of the Paris club.
“This is beneficial, it repairs the condition of irregularity that we had with some of the most important countries in the world that account for 55 percent of the global GDP,” Kicillof insisted pointing out the Paris accord was based on Argentina’s “responsibilities” and that “it will not jeopardize growth.”
The role of the IMF
“We have fixed one of the wrongs that liberalism left us,” the 42-year-old official told reporters as he renewed the government’s criticism of the role played by the International Monetary Fund in the 70’s, 80’s and mostly in the 90’s (the so called “neoliberal decade) that resulted in the 2001-2002 social, political and economic collapse and historic default.
Kicillof went ahead to describe in detail the role played by the IMF in Argentina’s previous negotiations with the Paris Club.
“In general, all the agreements that the Paris Club has reached have been under the supervision of the IMF. If a country had trouble paying its debt, then it turned to the IMF. That is Argentina’s own history, prior to the 2001 (crisis). Each of the governments turned running to the IMF because they could not keep up with the Club’s payments. The IMF lent them the money but also told them they had to commit with the reduction of social spending, the privatization of public companies. That is what we call 'to condition'. It is the lost of sovereignty and of economic independence,” Kicillof stated describing the Argentina-Paris Club 2014 negotiation precisely as “atypical.”
Despite the “interference” of the IMF in all the Club’s negotiations, the minister said Argentina “managed to agreen on a fee payment plan without the IMF.”
The “morality” of the accord
“Once we start making the first round of the debt’s due date payments, the credit agencies (of the states that shape up the Paris Club) will start opening the window again and lend companies money to invest in Argentina. If a company from one of those countries needs credit to come to invest in Argentina, it will access to very favourable interest rates,” the minister explained as he detailed the conditions of the agreement.
“We have agreed on minimum payments that will increase if new investments come to Argentina. This is a society we have created. As long as it creates credit so that companies come and invest here, Argentina will then pay more. It is a sort of shared effort,” Kicillof added referring to what he called the “morality” of the accord.
Following are the details of the payment plan the minister explained in today’s conference:
Payments will be made within the next five years. It could be extended to 7 years.
The total amount to be cleared off is 9.7 billion dollars.
The deal involves an interest rate of 3 percent – Kicillof highlighted previous contracts involved a 7-percent-rate and that “it has now been reduced to less than half of it.”
Axel Kicillof headed the Argentine mission to France that settled the dispute with the Paris Club.
On Thrusday, Argentina reached an agreement with the Paris Club on repaying overdue debts in a landmark deal that should help the country put its record default behind it and open up much-needed sources of international financing.
Kicillof says Argentina, Paris Club have built a 'society' - BuenosAiresHerald.com
dagoweb
Forumer attivo
Devi avvisare i signori del Club di Parigi per continuano imperterriti a richiedere indietro i loro soldi ...
e gli argentini hanno appena detto (*) che glieli daranno, fino all'ultimo centesimo e comprensivi degli interessi per il ritardato pagamento.
E dopo il Club di Parigi tocchera' agli holdout, visto che sara' passato il 31/12/2014 e gli aderenti ai 2 swap NON avranno piu' alcun diritto di richiedere pari trattamento in caso di migliori condizioni eventualmente offerte.
capt.harlock
MENA IL CAMMELLO FAN CLUB
sei "de coccio"
l' ultimo link, quello del tribunale di napoli mi sembra il piu' bello
p.s. toglimi una curiosita', ma tu che pmc avevi sui bond?
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capt.harlock
MENA IL CAMMELLO FAN CLUB
per carità non voglio riaprire la diatriba tra holdouts e swappati,anche perchè non sono nè l'uno nè l'altro.
fabri purtroppo le 2 cose (default sul warrant e rimborso al club di parigi) non sono scollegate
la coperta argentina e' corta, se rimborsa qualcuno, qualcunaltro rimane a secco
sono sinceramente piu' dispiaciuto per i detentori dei warrant che non saranno pagati rispetto ai creditori parigini che verranno onorati
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