Obbligazioni societarie GM, Ford, Chrysler: il 3D dell'automotive USA (2 lettori)

lorenzo63

Age quod Agis
siete due terroristi... :lol: - comunque ne avevano già discusso qualche giorno fa, concludendo che le agenzie di rating dovrebbero stare zitte, dopo Lehman, e leggere il FOL... :D

Io ho fatto il somaro, ma ho anche postato un paio di grafici interessanti.

Nessuno che commenta il fatto che, mentre si paventano 9 milioni di disoccupati se GM "fallisce", in realtà parliamo di meno di 100.000 privilegiati che tengono in ostaggio l'azienda, minacciando di ucciderla? Che a $30.000 milioni di contributi statali, fa $ 400.000 a testa... :eek: (ho calcolato su 75.000, tutti quelli rappresentati da UAW...).

Lo so, troppo miope, non vedo il sole che sorgerà, e mi limito a registrare quello che tramonta... :lol:

Consolati, Paolo: hai visto il Sol Levanteche fine stà facendo??:)
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
FRANKFURT, Feb 22 (Reuters) - General Motors' (GM.N) German unit Opel will present a business plan to the German government in the coming days, heeding calls to present such a plan in order to obtain state guarantees.
"We plan to present a joint European plan from the management of Adam Opel GmbH in coming days in close consultation with General Motors Europe," said a spokesman for Opel on Sunday.
"This plan lays out the future business model of Opel in Europe," he said.
Opel is seeking help from the government and labour force in financing a 3.3 billion euro liquidity gap through the end of 2011, a source at the group told Reuters on Friday.
Opel is asking for total state guarantees for loans that would amount to around 2.6 billion euros ($3.27 billion), with contributions in labour cost cuts from its workforce to provide the remaining 700 million euros, the source said.
A spokesman for the government had said on Friday that the government was waiting for the plan from the company on its future before it would make any decisions. ($1=.7952 Euro) (Reporting by Peter Dinkloh; Editing by Jon Loades-Carter)

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINLM15179120090222?rpc=44
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
Outside advisers to the U.S. Treasury have started lining up the largest bankruptcy loan ever, talking with banks and other lenders about at least $40 billion in financing for General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC, in case the two auto makers need it, said several people familiar with the matter.
While acknowledging the grimness of the task, administration officials involved in the auto talks said they are trying to find a way to restructure the two companies without resorting to bankruptcy proceedings. They stressed the latest efforts were "due diligence" on the part of the government advisers, and that bankruptcy financing may not be necessary.
Still, people involved in talks with senior Obama administration officials said that the administration believes that the option of Chapter 11 filings by the two auto makers needs to be seriously considered.
"Everything is on the table right now," one person involved in the matter said, adding that President Barack Obama doesn't want to see more massive job losses in the auto industry. His administration also doesn't want to anger the United Auto Workers by appearing to push for bankruptcy, this person added.
The initial discussions call for private banks to provide the financing -- known as a debtor-in-possession, or DIP, loan -- with the government guaranteeing or backstopping the loan. In this scenario, some of the financing would be used to pay back the $17.4 billion the government lent GM and Chrysler late last year.
Treasury advisers are handling the effort and keeping GM and Chrysler informed of the steps through back-door channels, said the people familiar with the matter. The interplay between the government, auto makers and the markets is proving to be complicated.
Lenders are reluctant to commit funding to GM or Chrysler for several reasons -- mostly concern they won't get all their money back. Recently, the government advisers have begun aggressively courting big lenders Citigroup Inc. and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. -- themselves government-aid recipients -- to participate in any bankruptcy financing, said people familiar with the matter.
The government advisers also are looking at ways the Treasury could "prime" other banks making DIP loans, so the government could be paid back before private creditors. Banks are deeply resistant to such steps. Both GM and Chrysler insist they can avoid bankruptcy, warning that option could cost the government as much as $125 billion in rescue financing. Bankruptcy experts say the sum isn't likely to be that high.
Even so, the estimated total of $40 billion in DIP financing GM and Chrysler would need would be five times as large as the previous record for such financing, which is used to fund day-to-day operations while companies sort out their debt. To fill such a large hole, Treasury's advisers are trying to corral as many as 70 lenders to participate in what is now informally called the "bank steering committee."
The advisers are sounding out banks about loan terms based on a government backstop, figuring out what interest rate the private market would accept and what covenants or restrictions lenders would expect.

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Rick Wagoner



At a news conference Tuesday, GM Chairman and Chief Executive Rick Wagoner, once a fierce opponent of even talking about a bankruptcy filing in public, said GM could engage in talks soon with the government on how to fund a stay in bankruptcy court. "We haven't had extensive discussions yet with the government on DIP financing," he said.
DIP loans are usually viewed as among the safest loans because those lenders typically get paid before other creditors. However, that corner of the lending market froze up late last year and has only recently begun to thaw.
Interest rates for bankruptcy financing have spiked in recent months, more than doubling from a year ago. In 2006 and 2007, the rate on the average DIP loan was the London interbank offered rate plus about 4 to 4.5 percentage points. Last year, the rate on the average DIP loan jumped to Libor plus 6.1 points, and rose throughout the year. A backstop by the federal government, however, probably would make such a loan less expensive.
Bankruptcy experts say that absent government support, lenders wouldn't step in to aid GM and Chrysler, given the proposed size of the loan and the tightness of credit markets. Most likely, the bankruptcy loan would roll up -- or pay off -- the $17.4 billion the government has so far lent the two auto makers. It might also pay off some other debt, including a senior bank facility.
Advising the Treasury on the GM-Chrysler situation are law firms Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP and Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal LLP, and the New York investment-banking firm of Rothschild Inc.
Cadwalader attorneys, who are in charge of advising the government on DIP lending and other matters, declined to comment. A spokeswoman for Sonnenschein declined to comment. Rothschild didn't return phone calls seeking comment.
In early January, Cadwalader bankruptcy attorney Deryck Palmer helped line up $8 billion in DIP financing for chemical company Lydondell Basell, the current record for such a loan.
So far, GM has received $13.4 billion in federal loans, The viability plan it submitted to the government last week said the company needs a total of $30 billion in aid, or $16.6 billion more than it has already gotten. GM also said it needs at least $7.7 billion in loans from the Department of Energy to develop fuel-efficient technology.
Chrysler has received $4 billion in government loans and said it needs $5 billion more. It said it would need $24 billion in financing if the company were to seek bankruptcy protection.
GM said it might need as much as $100 billion in financing from the government if it were to go through the conventional bankruptcy process. GM's $100 billion estimate stems from the belief that it would suffer "catastrophic revenue reduction impact" in a prolonged conventional Chapter 11 process, as it would expect to sustain as much as an 80% decline in sales after a bankruptcy filing. GM would need financing not only so it could weather the storm, but also to help its suppliers and dealers survive.
Mr. Wagoner, the GM CEO, said the bankruptcy scenarios are "risky" and "costly," and would only be pursued as a last resort. "We haven't had extensive discussions yet with the government on DIP financing," he said. "They asked us to put together and address the topic. We've done that in [GM's viability plan], so I suspect we may enter into those discussions."

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paologorgo

Chapter 11
Gli svedesi non sembrano nutrire molta stima in GM... :eek:

Sweden says Saab needs new owner to get govt aid

STOCKHOLM, Feb 23 (Reuters) - Sweden is not prepared to consider loan guarantees to General Motors' (GM.N) Saab Automobile unit unless the carmaker finds a private investor to underwrite its business plan, the industry minister said on Monday.
Maud Olofsson told a news conference the government needed a private investor to answer for Saab's turnaround and repeated the state should not own car makers.
"We need to know there is a secure ownership which takes responsibility for the business plan so that it (Saab) can show a profit in 2012, 2013," Olofsson said in remarks broadcast live on public service radio.
At the weekend Swedish media quoted Saab's CEO as saying rival carmakers were among potential investors in the company, which was granted protection from its creditors on Friday by a Swedish court.
Olofsson said since GM has declared it would cut its ties to Saab in a year, a new owner was a prerequisite for the government to believe the Swedish car brand had a future.
"Let us hope those who have contacted (Saab) are the kind of interested parties who are prepared to step in," she said.
The government has welcomed a reorganisation of Saab, but has said it believes its turnaround plan -- in which it projects profitability in 2011 -- is too optimistic. Saab estimates it made a loss of 3 billion crowns ($543 million) last year and expects a similar result this year.
GM has said it will fund some of Saab's liquidity needs but that it will not keep the company beyond January next year.
Sweden's government also said it was preparing to apply for 4 billion Swedish crowns from the European Globalisation adjustment Fund to support Sweden's south-western region, which is home to much of the country's auto industry.

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINLN51217420090223?rpc=44
 

Imark

Forumer storico
Gli svedesi non sembrano nutrire molta stima in GM... :eek:

Sweden says Saab needs new owner to get govt aid

STOCKHOLM, Feb 23 (Reuters) - Sweden is not prepared to consider loan guarantees to General Motors' (GM.N) Saab Automobile unit unless the carmaker finds a private investor to underwrite its business plan, the industry minister said on Monday.
Maud Olofsson told a news conference the government needed a private investor to answer for Saab's turnaround and repeated the state should not own car makers.
"We need to know there is a secure ownership which takes responsibility for the business plan so that it (Saab) can show a profit in 2012, 2013," Olofsson said in remarks broadcast live on public service radio.
At the weekend Swedish media quoted Saab's CEO as saying rival carmakers were among potential investors in the company, which was granted protection from its creditors on Friday by a Swedish court.
Olofsson said since GM has declared it would cut its ties to Saab in a year, a new owner was a prerequisite for the government to believe the Swedish car brand had a future.
"Let us hope those who have contacted (Saab) are the kind of interested parties who are prepared to step in," she said.
The government has welcomed a reorganisation of Saab, but has said it believes its turnaround plan -- in which it projects profitability in 2011 -- is too optimistic. Saab estimates it made a loss of 3 billion crowns ($543 million) last year and expects a similar result this year.
GM has said it will fund some of Saab's liquidity needs but that it will not keep the company beyond January next year.
Sweden's government also said it was preparing to apply for 4 billion Swedish crowns from the European Globalisation adjustment Fund to support Sweden's south-western region, which is home to much of the country's auto industry.

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINLN51217420090223?rpc=44

In pratica gli ha dato dei cazzari... si vede che li conosce bene... :cool:
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
In pratica gli ha dato dei cazzari... si vede che li conosce bene... :cool:

se non fosse tragica, la situazione sarebbe anche buffa: ed ai canadesi, che gli dicono che licenziano (se va bene...) metà della forza lavoro e chiedono ancora più soldi di contributo statale?!? :lol:

Però, alla FOL, la vedo una buona notizia, così se fallisce GM Canada ci sono più macchine da produrre negli USA e Obama caccia i soldi (si sa che si tratta di produrre viti, e che è facile facile spostare le produzioni...) :D

Questi in gennaio hanno ridotto la produzione dell'80% negli States, e si preoccupano se un eventuale fallimento riduce la loro capacità di vendita... :wall: - vivono in un altro mondo, in cui si dice: "siamo preoccupati per i nostri fornitori", non "li stiamo mandando falliti ordinando l'80% in meno..." :specchio:

Poi, ci mancherebbe altro, è una situazione difficilissima e non invidio chi dovrà decidere che fare... :help:
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
Ford Motor Co. and the United Auto Workers union have reached a tentative agreement to change a trust created to fund health-care for retirees.
UAW President Ron Gettelfinger announced Monday that the two sides have agreed on modifications to the Voluntary Employee Beneficiary Association, the union's health-care trust for its retirees. No details on concessions were immediately released and the agreement likely needs to be ratified by the union's membership.
On Feb. 15, the union reached a tentative agreement with Ford on other modifications to its 2007 contract with the auto maker. That was followed by General Motors Co. and Chrysler LLC.
Ford becomes the first of the Detroit auto makers to reach such an agreement. GM and Chrysler are expected to follow suit because their $17.4 billion loan package from the U.S. government requires concessions from its stakeholders to reduce costs.


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frankiemachine

Mr. Tentenna
te lo posto prima di qua.....

.....è + in linea col 3d :prr:

If You Thought the Auto Bailout Was Ridiculous Before...

To be honest, I figured General Motors (GM) would be in bankruptcy by now. With a monthly burn rate of estimated to be between $2 billion and $6 billion (depending on source) it would seem this money hole would have imploded sooner rather than later.

But with the stimulus package signed and the goal of creating or saving 3.5 million jobs (on a side note, if anyone knows how you calculate “saved” jobs please let me know – it seems if 3.5 million people are still working by the time the next election rolls around, this will be a “success”) and hundreds of billions of dollars ready to be handed out to anyone who earns a prevailing wage, the government may have revealed their plan to save GM and Chrysler.

This time, they’re actually addressing the real issue at hand. After all, it’s basic economics. It’s all about supply and demand.

The Supply Side

In a week when GM’s market cap fell to below its 1938 valuation (yes, lowest since the Great Depression) and announce 47,000 layoffs, it still felt it’s somehow deserves more taxpayer money to stay afloat, GM and Chrysler handed in their recovery plans.

The plans called for layoffs, restructuring, and more cash – much more cash. GM and Chrysler asked for an additional $7 billion in “loans” immediately and more than $21 billion down the road. This was on top of the $17.4 billion the companies received last year.

But this cash won’t address the real problems GM and Chrysler are facing we identified when they got their first round of handouts:

At the end of October, GM North America reported it has 799,000 vehicles in stock – consisting of both cars and light trucks. That’s about five months worth of inventory (when measured against the 166,000 sold in October), which is 15% below last year’s inventory, but it’s only getting worse.

At current sales rates, inventory will start to grow. GM expects to produce an additional 567,000 (875,000 total for Q4 minus 318,000 October production) over the next two months. If the October sales rate holds up, despite rising unemployment and falling consumer disposable incomes, GM’s total inventory will increase to 1,234,000 vehicles.

Since then sales have only gotten worse and thanks to government life support they’re still making more and more cars. But here’s where the government is making its most ridiculous move yet to address the overcapacity problem and cover more of the automakers cost.

The Demand Side

This is the big question I had a few months ago. During an interview with BNN, we identified there were a total of 250 million cars, trucks and motorcycles registered in the United States. But there are only 203 million drivers. That’s an average of 1.23 vehicles for every driver.

At the time it seemed everyone was focusing on debating the morality, but there were much, much bigger questions at hand whether it was right to bail out these companies or not. For instance, where would all the demand come from? Does everyone who wants a car already have one? How many people would choose to upgrade to a new model in the middle of an economic downturn?

So the government devised a solution: they’ll create demand.

One big part of the stimulus package is for the government to purchase $300 million worth of new cars. Sure, it’s for hybrid cars (which I guess makes it a bit more marketable to the public – who wants to say hybrid cars are bad?), but it’s clearly aimed at making a dent in the overcapacity problem.

So now the government is not just subsidizing supply, it’s also creating artificial and unsustainable demand.

Ballooning Backdoor Bailouts

On top of that, there are plenty more “backdoor bailouts” for the auto industry. The Detroit Free Press reports there is:

A tax deduction on auto loan interest which consulting firm R.L. Polk says works out to about a $1,250 subsidy per car purchased (good idea! Especially since the tax policies and implicit Freddie and Fannie guarantees which help create a “house for everyone” bubble worked so well…).
An income tax deduction for purchase of hybrid vehicle worth about $330 per vehicle.
A $2 billion grant for manufacture of batteries for hybrid cars (read: government pays for a big portion of the cost of production).
$4,500 vouchers for new cars given only to people who drive cars which get less than 18 miles per gallon (a nice “thank you” for being part of the problem).
In the end, this whole situation seems eerily similar to a story a friend of mine once told. I lived in Germany a few years ago and worked with quite a few Germans who showed me firsthand how socialism can destroy an economy.

One of them was from East Germany and who used to work in a nail factory before Berlin Wall came down. He told me one side of the factory made nails. The other side of the factory melted them down. It seemed inconceivable to me at first, but it was a way to create “jobs” for everyone.

Hopefully we’re not going that way here, but the way it’s all shaping up, more questions remain.

What happens after we have a new government department (Car Czar and staff) to oversee the production of cars nobody wants? Do we get a new department to hire people to drive them around?

I sure hope not. But if it does, I can’t wait to see Rick Santelli’s next rant.

:)
 

paologorgo

Chapter 11
.....è + in linea col 3d :prr:

:)

da Seeking Alpha, se non sbaglio, nella mia immensa bontà non lo avevo postato... :D

devo dire che mi spiace per chi soffre per il proprio investimento, ma c'è da ridere per il modo in cui ogni notizia viene girata in positivo da alcuni... ho anche ricevuto un bollino verde sul FOL per la mia idea di ristrutturazione rifilando i bond 2033 agli operai... :lol:
 

frankiemachine

Mr. Tentenna
da Seeking Alpha, se non sbaglio, nella mia immensa bontà non lo avevo postato... :D

devo dire che mi spiace per chi soffre per il proprio investimento, ma c'è da ridere per il modo in cui ogni notizia viene girata in positivo da alcuni... ho anche ricevuto un bollino verde sul FOL per la mia idea di ristrutturazione rifilando i bond 2033 agli operai... :lol:

in effetti mi pareva strano...troppo buono

sai qual'è il problema? che a GM non leggono il fol! :D
 

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