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tommy271

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Grecia, conclusione colloqui su swap entro fine gennaio - MinFin

lunedì 12 dicembre 2011 16:43






ATENE, 12 dicembre (Reuters) - La Grecia spera di portare a termine le trattative sulla ristrutturazione volontaria del suo debito, che è parte dell'ultimo piano di salvataggio, entro la fine di gennaio. Lo ha detto il ministro delle Finanze Evangelos Venizelos.
Funzionari greci hanno dato il via oggi a un nuovo round di colloqui con gli ispettori di Ue, Bce e Fmi - la cosiddetta 'troika' - così come con i rappresentanti del mondo bancario, proprio sul tema del bailout e dello swap del debito.
"I colloqui sono critici e difficili" ha detto Venizelos nel corso di una conferenza stampa. "Al Paese viene chiesto di prendere decisioni cruciali" ha aggiunto.
Fino a che non verranno portate a termine le trattative con i creditori e verrà finalizzato l'ultimo pacchetto di aiuti da 130 miliardi di euro la Grecia non potrà permettersi di indire nuove elezioni, ha precisato il ministro delle Finanze.
"Il Paese non può permettersi di essere trascinato in un campagna elettorale mentre queste procedure devono essere ancora completate" ha spiegato Venizelos.



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Riassunto Reuters, stavolta siamo arrivati prima ... :D.
 

PASTELLETTO

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Ma anche dichiarassero che il PSI è stato un successo....tutto risolto... bene così....
Presumere che poi il retail venga rimborsato a 100 a marzo resta puramente una scommessa a testa o croce.
All'ultimo minuto potrebbero far passare leggi al parlamento greco che estendono a tutti quei termini.
E chi si fida... ormai le parole, i termini, le definizioni giuridiche e anche le procedure...è tutto portato avanti selvaggiamente...
Insomma siamo al livello dell'Ordalia barbarica, in piena tradizione germanica :D.....altro che diritto positivo....

Io, se mi riportano lo spread a 65746,56, incremento sul BTP 9%.
Evadavialchiul.
 

tommy271

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ASE In Search Of New Support Level







The trading session of Athens Stock Exchange on Monday ended with heavy losses for Greek banks, as the banking index fell to new 22-year lows.

Only a few shares ended in green across FTSE20 index, amid the overall downward trend in the Greek market, while the General Index posted intraday losses of 2.23%, very close to new lows.

Market analysts comment that today’s picture was aligned with the overall negative climate in major European bourses, in the wake of last week’s EU Summit resolutions. However, the domestic news flow weighs also on the Greek market.

Among them are given uncertainties in the banking sector due to the implementation of the PSI program, capital enhancing needs and results of audit of loan portfolios by BlackRock, and uncertainly in fiscal field, revealed by FinMin’s statements on Monday.


They note that the market will test the strength of recent support levels, while visibility and risk-taking remain extremely low.

On Monday, the General Index ended with losses of 2.08% at 661.77 units, with volume of 31.83 million units and turnover of €32.68 million. Banks fell by 9.37% to 237.51%.

A total amount of 103 shares declined, 44 rose and 128 remained unchanged.

Folli Follie and MIG topped FTSE20 with profits of 4.11% and 3.36%, while OTE, OPAP and Jumbo rose by 2.67%, 1.06% and 0.54% respectively.

On the other hand, National Bank, Alpha Bank, Hellenic Postbank and Eurobank posted double-digit losses of 12.64%, 11.69%, 11.4% and 10.47% respectively.

Bank of Cyprus and Mytilineos declined by 6.52% and 4.15%, while Viohalco, Ellaktor and Marfin Popular Bank lost more than 3%. Titan and Motor Oil ended down 2.4%, while Coca Cola 3E, Piraeus Bank, PPC and ELPE recorded losses of 1.42%, 1.02%, 0.96% and 0.16% respectively.

(capital.gr)
 

tommy271

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La ventata di "ottimismo" scaturita dalla chiusura del Vertice dell'Eurogruppo si è già esaurita con spread e borse dinuovo sotto pressione:

MIB - 3,79%
DAX - 3,00%
CAC - 2,18%
 

g.ln

Triplo Panico: comprare
Aderisco, ma a Tommy

Io, comunque, PSI o non PSI ho deciso: rifiuto e vado avanti ...
Ma mi raccomando, voglio adesioni al 90% :-o.


:ciao: E' evidente che stanno cercando di spaventarci :D. Ma volete che la nuova unione fiscale senza Londra venga inaugurata dalla D greca?
Non facciamoci mancare il coraggio adesso!
Ciao, ciao, Giuseppe
 
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g.ln

Triplo Panico: comprare
Sono interessanti le seguenti dichiarazioni di Venizelos rilasciate subito dopo l'approvazione del secondo piano di salvataggio il 26/10. Dalle dichiarazioni si deduce che il taglio dovrebbe interessare solo il 50% di 206 mld di euro in mano alla banche, con un risparmio sul servizio del debito di 4.5 mld di euro.
Greek FinMin Reveals the Benefits of Haircut-Agreement | Keep Talking Greece
Tradotto:
"Abbiamo quadruplicato i benefici", ha detto e sottolineato che, mentre l'accordo del 21 luglio ha mostrato una riduzione del 11,6% del debito, ora "abbiamo una riduzione del 50% che è 4 volte maggiore. Pagheremo meno i tassi di interesse, sarà possibile ridurre il debito negoziabili sul mercato a partire da € 206 a € 106.000.000.000 con un tasso medio del 4,5% e quindi il rilievo supera € 4500000000 ovvero 2,2% del PIL ", ha detto.

Ciao, Giuseppe
 

tommy271

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Governo e banche 'trovare un terreno comune "per il PSI

Pubblicato: Lunedi December 12, 2011



Nel "principio di terreno comune" approccio per i creditori pubblici e privati ​​durante la consultazione sul programma di scambio di obbligazioni, secondo fonti bancarie citate dalla Reuters.

Entrambe le parti hanno sostenuto Lunedi il formato sorgente per discutere di un tasso ridotto, ma parallela riduzione delle perdite per gli investitori privati, sottolineando che "c'è ancora strada" per completare l'accordo.

"Costituito un terreno comune per raggiungere un formato che migliora la qualità di nuove obbligazioni", ha detto una fonte presso l'agenzia, "in modo che le perdite nel valore finale (valore attuale netto) ad essere più piccoli e la regola non dovrà pagare una cedola più alta ".

"C'è ancora strada da fare", ma ha osservato la fonte.

(Ta Nea)
 

giub

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Whose PSI is it anyway?

Posted by Joseph Cotterill on Dec 12 16:34.
As regards private-sector involvement, we have made a major change in our doctrine: from now on we will strictly adhere to the IMF principles and doctrines… Or, to put it more bluntly, our first approach to PSI, which had a very negative effect on debt markets is now officially over.
That would be Herman Van Rompuy, talking gibberish about debt restructuring to journalists (via Bloomberg) way back at Thursday evening’s Eurofudge summit. This is prime Eurofudge, and just as important relative to what the summit did about structural deficits, automatic consequences for deficit failures, and so on.
To begin with… Greece’s PSI — the biggest sovereign debt restructuring in history, affecting some €200bn of private bondholder claims: hardly chump change — is anything but ”officially over”. No airbrushing that one out of history please, thank you very much. Especially not this week! The Greek finance minister took to the wires on Monday to promise that Greece will wrap up talks with bondholders by January. As John Dizard writes, this used to be December, and it’s still not clear if the “voluntary” deal will achieve sufficient take-up not to go coercive. So, the Greek bond offer is festering away still.
But most of all, “IMF principles and doctrines” don’t really mean as much to how sovereigns negotiate with their bondholders as the eurozone leadership appears to think (or wants investors to believe).
Invoking the IMF on PSI – almost to imply that there will be no restructuring whatsoever in future — certainly has become an odd meme of late. Sure, there is a role in PSI (more like around PSI) for the IMF, but it’s not the one the eurozone seems to want to copy, which is as some sort of last-resort arbiter that will “strictly adhere” to a magic rulebook.
It’s firstly worth pointing that the “rules of the game” in a sovereign debt default just can’t work like that, whichever organisation is tasked with applying them. There is no magic rulebook because creditors exist in effectively a kind of anarchy with sovereign debtors. Sovereigns will typically enjoy legal immunity unless they specifically sign it away in the bond contract, they don’t collateralise their debt with recoverable assets, or offer senior versus junior debt. Even if they do any of that, it is generally very hard to extract assets from a sovereign, even if you litigated against them and won a remedy for your restructured or defaulted bonds. Equally the creditors can stop a sovereign accessing the market.
That simply makes one basic and rather loose rule – maintaining good faith and flexibility on both sides – extremely important, and limits the enforcement of rules without good faith. It’s like a hotline between two countries that hate each other. They still see the value of talking and setting some ground rules. ‘Good faith’ can mean warning creditors in good time that you’re unlikely to pay them in full, i.e. not waiting to tell them (and also the IMF whom you want loans from!) that the last camel has been shot at dawn, in Lee Buchheit’s phrasing. It’s also about providing bondholders with equality of treatment on their debts — even if it’s going to be a very harsh set of write-downs.
We’ll get to the eurozone’s fabulous record (not) on ‘good faith’ in PSI in a moment.
But overall it means that most PSI ‘rules’ are applied between the sovereign debtors and their creditors on an ad hoc basis. Sorry, no formulas for PSI a priori here. But there is a set of principles (not laws!) which set out these loose rules. You can find them here. As principles formed in response to emerging-market sovereign debt crises going back 30 years, they are reviewed every year when the Paris Club of creditors meets, and generally get looked after by the Institute of International Finance and other industry bodies.
This is what the principles say about good faith, which we pick out because they mention the IMF:

You can see why “voluntary amendment” might be a forlorn hope generally, but at least they try.
The point is, though, the IMF’s job on PSI isn’t to run the whole process. Sure, there’s a line there about the IMF not encouraging debtors to default, but also something about the IMF lending into arrears, or lending to sovereigns when those sovereigns can’t pay private creditors and are defaulting, in the hope these loans help a better work-out of debt. (It’s a bit like debtor-in-possession financing in corporate bankruptcies. DIP financing is senior, not unlike IMF loans’ seniority to bondholders.)
So the most clear “IMF principles and doctrines” on PSI are when things are already quite bad. The IMF can do a debt sustainability analysis and conclude there is no hope for the sovereign, in theory, preventing lending into arrears. Somehow we doubt that’s what Herman meant by invoking the IMF. Anyway, a measure of good faith (even though all restructuring negotiations are fractious) precedes IMF involvement in PSI, it seems.
It’s at this point then that we note how badly the eurozone official creditors trashed good faith in Greece (while also letting eurozone core banks get away with murder procrastination on provisioning against losses before Greek PSI began). Exhibit A here is probably excluding the ECB’s Greek bond holdings from the debt exchange, threatening intercreditor equity. It’s a story we’ve often told before, but the scar this will leave on bondholders’ minds will remain far longer than this promise to behave on PSI, we think.
So there you are. Observing a modicum of good faith matters more (especially when everyone is going to have to swallow huge losses in any event) than pretending you’re following some “IMF” rules.
Will the eurozone listen? No. Does it matter, since they are now promising never to do PSI again anyway? Yep. Don’t believe that.
 
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