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Split opens over Greek bail-out terms

By Peter Spiegel in Brussels and Quentin Peel in Berlin


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A split has opened in the eurozone over the terms of Greece’s second €109bn bail-out with as many as seven of the bloc’s 17 members arguing for private creditors to swallow a bigger writedown on their Greek bond holdings, according to senior European officials.
The divisions have emerged amid mounting concerns that Athens’ funding needs are much bigger than estimated just two months ago. They threaten to unpick a painfully negotiated deal reached with private sector bond holders in July.

While hardliners in Germany and the Netherlands are leading the calls for more losses to be imposed on the private sector, France and the European Central Bank are fiercely resisting any such move. They fear re-opening the bond deal could spark renewed selling of shares in European banks, which have significant holdings of Greek and other peripheral eurozone debt.
Shares in French banks have rallied in recent days following signs that eurozone officials are preparing to increase the financial firepower of the bloc’s €440bn bail-out fund, which could within months be able to inject capital into eurozone banks and purchase sovereign bonds.
On a visit to Berlin, George Papandreou, the Greek prime minister, urged Germans to recognise the “superhuman effort” his country was making to impose drastic austerity measures in a deepening recession. “I can guarantee that Greece will live up to all its commitments,” he said.
Senior European said there was significant division over the move to re-open the bondholders’ deal, which could trigger a bigger and earlier restructuring of Greek debt. Even within Germany, officials are split over whether to press for a bigger “haircut” for private sector creditors.
“In Germany, there are the hardliners and there are the moderates,” said one senior European official. “This is the hardliners’ stance.”
Because of the recent economic downturn and Greece’s slow implementation of austerity measures, officials estimate Athens’ funding needs over the next three years have grown beyond the €172bn forecast this summer. The scale of the shortfall will be determined by international lenders over the next few weeks.
Berlin has long wanted bondholders to make a bigger contribution to a new bail-out, a point reiterated publicly in recent days by Wolfgang Schäuble, Germany’s finance minister.
German insistence has recently intensified, according to people briefed on the talks. Eurozone finance ministers had originally hoped to sign off on the next aid tranche to Greece on Monday, but a decision is now expected to delay the next €8bn payment until an emergency meeting in two weeks.
Berlin is expected to back the disbursement eventually. But a senior official said some German policymakers then want the banks to take a larger haircut on their bond holdings or renegotiate bond swaps, reflecting the sharp fall in Greek bond values since July.
Under the terms of the July bail-out, bondholders agreed to trade about €135bn in bonds that come due through 2020 for new, European Union-backed bonds that would not be repaid for decades. This deal implied a haircut of 21 per cent for bondholders, but many German officials say they were forced to agree a deal that was too beneficial for the banks.
On Tuesday, eurozone banks and German and French stock markets had their biggest gains since the first Greek bail-out was unveiled in May 2010.
France’s Société Générale surged 17 per cent, BNP Paribas was up 14 per cent and Crédit Agricole gained 13 per cent while the broader eurozone bank sector increased 9 per cent. BNP and SocGen shares have now risen by a third in the past three days.






e zerohedge così conclude:


FT Report That Greek Bailout Package On The Verge Of Collapse After Surge In Greek Funding Needs Sends Stocks, Euro Plunging From Highs

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 09/27/2011 15:27 -0400
Wondering what just caused the market to slump? Take a wild guess. That's right - Greece. Minutes after Greece passed a vote in which it promised to promise to promise to consider collecting 1998-1999 taxes (even as all of its tax collectors are about to go on permanent strike), the FT was breaking news that while the Troika was "bailing out" Greece in the past years, the country was spending itself into an even greater oblivion. As a result, the terms of the July 21 Second Greek Bailout will most certainly need to be renegotiated, with banks having to take even greater write downs on the bond exchange, and with far more capital having to be injected into the country. The result is the France and the ECB are panicking because as we all know, any additional write downs will expose just how undercapitalized French banks already are (no need to even mention the world's most toxic hedge fund: Trichet et Cie). Should this story pick up traction, look for Europe to open limit down again tomorrow. From the FT:


A split has opened in the eurozone over the terms of Greece’s second €109bn bail-out with as many as seven of the bloc’s 17 members arguing for private creditors to swallow a bigger writedown on their Greek bond holdings, according to senior European officials.

The divisions have emerged amid mounting concerns that Athens’ funding needs are much bigger than estimated just two months ago. They threaten to unpick a painfully negotiated deal reached with private sector bond holders in July.

While hardliners in Germany and the Netherlands are leading the calls for more losses to be imposed on the private sector, France and the European Central Bank are fiercely resisting any such move. They fear re-opening the bond deal could spark renewed selling of shares in European banks, which have significant holdings of Greek and other peripheral eurozone debt.

Because of the recent economic downturn and Greece’s slow implementation of austerity measures, officials estimate Athens’ funding needs over the next three years have grown beyond the €172bn forecast this summer. The scale of the shortfall will be determined by international lenders over the next few weeks.
So let's get this straight: the funding hole was €109 billion two months ago, and it is €172 billion, an incremental diferential of €63 billion in two months, or €360 billion annualized.
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ok, ma sapete quando si dice "l'ha sparata grossa"...intendo come cifre, non come contenuto....
Non dico che siano invenzioni, non ho elementi per valutare, dico solo che si sono scannati per un deficit che era del 2% peggiore del previsto...e ora salterebbe fuori un buco da 63 MLD?
Bottarelli è un "esperto" e da lungo tempo segue la vicenda greca, anche se notoriamente fa parte di un think tank inglese euroscettico....

Lasciamo stare nuovi buchi ... che non esistono ...
I conti sono stati vagliati al microscopio dalla Troika.
Nessun bilancio in Europa è ora più limpido di quello greco.
 
Lasciamo stare nuovi buchi ... che non esistono ...
I conti sono stati vagliati al microscopio dalla Troika.
Nessun bilancio in Europa è ora più limpido di quello greco.

Già, se poi ci fosse davvero un buco da 63 mld in due mesi sarebbero da prendere a calci quelli che han fatto i precedenti calcoli. A questo punto ci mandiamo il trota a vagliare il bilancio greco. Di sicuro sbaglierebbe meno....
 
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Già, se poi ci fosse davvero un buco da 63 mld in due sarebbero da prendere a calci quelli che han fatto i precedenti calcoli. A questo punto ci mandiamo il trota a vagliare il bilancio greco. Di sicuro sbaglierebbe meno....

Anzi, dirò di più ... alcuni stati europei non hanno neppure il meccanismo di calcolo che è stato applicato alla Grecia.
In teoria il deficit/PIL potrebbe essere inferiore di quasi 1 punto percentuale.
 
infatti...non so se si sono incartati:
109 MLD è l'ultimo bailout
172 MLD sono le necessità per i prossimi tre anni (sarà sforato ma non si sa di quanto)

Ma l'operazione 109-172 a mio parere è concettualmente sbagliata, non si parla dello stesso aggregato.....
 
infatti...non so se si sono incartati:
109 MLD è l'ultimo bailout
172 MLD sono le necessità per i prossimi tre anni (sarà sforato ma non si sa di quanto)

Ma l'operazione 109-172 a mio parere è concettualmente sbagliata, non si parla dello stesso aggregato.....

Si però il primo bailout non è mica finito. Dei 110 mld stanziati ne mancano ancora parecchi da rilasciare.
 
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