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Il sig. Gaudente ha previsto con certezza il default entro Natale. quindi ha ancora ampio spazio per veder verificata la sua profezia; aspettiamo fiduciosi nelle sue doti divinatorie.
Comunque non vedo delitto verso il popolo nel fatto di pagare secondo gli impegni liberamente presi.

Ciao Karl, qui il "timing" l'abbiamo sbagliato tutti.

Gaudente è da un annetto che invoca il default, senza aver mai imbroccato la data. L'ultima era per agosto ... ora l'ha spostata intorno a novembre/dicembre, insieme ad altri ... :D.

Poi, come al solito, bisogna vedere cosa si intenda per default ... se è lo swap, ben venga.
 
Grecia, Germania vede soluzione a breve per questione collaterale

venerdì 30 settembre 2011 12:27



MILANO, 30 settembre (Reuters) - La Germania spera nel raggiungimento in tempi brevi di una soluzione alla questione del collaterale chiesto dalla Finlandia a garanzia del suo contributo al piano di salvataggio della Grecia.
Lo ha detto un portavoce del ministero delle Finanze tedesco.
"Sono molto ottimista che questo interessante problema venga presto risolto", ha affermato, aggiungendo che dall'Eurogruppo di lunedì in Lussemburgo potrebbero arrivare chiarimenti sulla questione.
 
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Il cancelliere tedesco Angela Merkel, il primo ministro francese Francois Fillon ed altri leader europei si sono incontrati con il primo ministro George Papandreou, a margine del vertice dei leader dell'Unione europea e il partenariato orientale in ritardo nella notte di Giovedi.

Ο κ. Παπανδρέου συναντήθηκε το πρωί της Παρασκευής στην Βαρσοβία με τον με τον πρόεδρο της Ε.Ε Χέρμαν βαν Ρομπάι και μεταβαίνει στο Παρίσι, όπου θα έχει συνάντηση με τον Γάλλο πρόεδρο Νικολά Σαρκοζί στις 18:00.​
Mr. Papandreou riunito il Venerdì mattina a Varsavia con il Presidente della UE Herman Van Rompuy e si trasferisce a Parigi dove incontrerà il presidente francese Nicolas Sarkozy alle 18:00.

Στη διάρκεια της συνάντησης συζητήθηκε η πορεία επικύρωσης των αποφάσεων της 21ης Ιουλίου από τα ευρωπαϊκά κοινοβούλια.​
Durante l'incontro si è discusso lo stato di ratifica della decisione 21 luglio da parte dei parlamenti europei.

Την συμφωνία αυτή επικύρωσε χθες το Κοινοβούλιο της Γερμανίας, ενώ οι πιο πρόσφατες επικυρώσεις έγιναν από τα Κοινοβούλια της Φινλανδίας και της Εσθονίας.​
L'accordo è stato ratificato ieri dal Parlamento della Germania, mentre le annotazioni più recenti fatte dai parlamenti di Finlandia e Estonia.

Οι κκ. Παπανδρέου και Βαν Ρομπάι συζήτησαν για την πορεία της Ελλάδας, ενώ είχαν και μια συζήτηση προετοιμασίας για την Σύνοδο Κορυφής της ΕΕ στις 17 και 18 Οκτωβρίου, καθώς και για την σύνοδο του Eurogroup.​
Signori Papandreou e Van Rompuy discusso i progressi della Grecia, e aveva una discussione dei preparativi per vertice Ue il 17 e 18 ottobre e la riunione dell'Eurogruppo.

Ο Έλληνας πρωθυπουργός, ο οποίος βρίσκεται στην Πολωνία για τη σύνοδο κορυφής της «ανατολικής εταιρικής σχέσης», στην οποία συμμετέχουν αρχηγοί κρατών και κυβερνήσεων της ΕΕ και των ανατολικών εταίρων (Αρμενία, Αζερμπαϊτζάν, Λευκορωσία, Γεωργία, Μολδαβία και Ουκρανία), το μεσημέρι μεταβαίνει στο Παρίσι για να συναντηθεί με τον Πρόεδρο της Γαλλίας Νικολά Σαρκοζί.​
Il primo ministro greco, che si trova in Polonia per un vertice del "partenariato orientale", coinvolgendo i leader della UE ei suoi partner orientali (Armenia, Azerbaigian, Bielorussia, Georgia, Moldova e Ucraina), interruttori mezzogiorno a Parigi per incontrare il presidente francese Nicolas Sarkozy.

Οι επαφές πραγματοποιούνται εν μέσω φημολογίας για νέα γαλλογερμανική πρωτοβουλία σχετικά με την κρίση χρέους στην Ευρωζώνη.​
I contatti stabiliti tra speculazioni su una nuova iniziativa franco-tedesca sulla crisi del debito nella zona euro.

Ενδεικτικό είναι ότι τις προηγούμενες ημέρες η γαλλική εφημερίδα Monde είχε δημοσιεύσει την πληροφορία ότι θα υπάρξει συνάντηση μεταξύ της Γερμανίδας καγκελαρίου Ανγκελα Μέρκελ και του Γάλλου προέδρου Νικολά Σαρκοζί στο Παρίσι.​
E 'significativo che nei giorni scorsi, il quotidiano francese Monde aveva pubblicato informazioni che sarà un incontro tra il cancelliere tedesco Angela Merkel e il presidente francese Nicolas Sarkozy a Parigi.

Όπως σημειώνει η εφημερίδα «Τα Νέα», κατά τη συνάντηση του Νικολά Σαρκοζί με τον Γ.Παπανδρέου, το απόγευμα της Παρασκευής, ο Γάλλος πρόεδρος θα παρουσιάσει μια «σημαντική πρωτοβουλία για την Ελλάδα».​
Come osservato dal quotidiano "Ta Nea", durante l'incontro con Nicolas Sarkozy G. Papandreou il Venerdì pomeriggio, il presidente francese presenterà un "grande iniziativa per la Grecia".

Οι πληροφορίες αυτές διακινούνται από την πλευρά του Παρισιού, όπως αναφέρει η εφημερίδα, ενώ από την πλευρά της η Αθήνα δεν ανοίγει τα χαρτιά της.​
Questa informazione si sta spostando dalla parte di Parigi, dice il giornale, mentre sul lato di Atene non ha aperto le sue carte.
Σημειώνεται, πάντως ότι το ραντεβού των δύο ηγετών κλείστηκε μέσα στο προηγουμενο 24ωρο.​
Si noti, tuttavia, che la nomina di due leader bloccati nelle precedenti 24 ore.

Στο περιθώριο του δείπνου των ηγετών της ΕΕ και της Ανατολικής Συνεργασίας, ο πρωθυπουργός συναντήθηκε με την καγκελάριο της Γερμανίας Αγκελα Μέρκελ, την οποία συνεχάρη για την υπερψήφιση από το γερμανικό κοινοβούλιο των αποφάσεων της 21ης Ιουλίου.​
A margine della cena dei leader europei e il partenariato orientale, il primo ministro ha incontrato il cancelliere tedesco Angela Merkel, che è congratulato con il passaggio della decisione del parlamento tedesco è il 21 luglio.

Επίσης, ο κ. Παπανδρέου συναντήθηκε με τους πρωθυπουργούς της Γαλλίας, της Ιρλανδίας, της Πορτογαλίας και της Ισπανίας, με τον αντιπρόεδρο της κυβέρνησης της Βρετανίας, καθώς επίσης με τον πρωθυπουργό της Εσθονίας και τους προέδρους της Ουκρανίας και της Γεωργίας.​
Inoltre, il Sig. Papandreou ha incontrato i primi ministri di Francia, Irlanda, Portogallo e Spagna, il vice della Gran Bretagna così come con il Primo Ministro dell'Estonia e presidenti di Ucraina e Georgia.

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Respinta dal Ministro del Lavoro e della Previdenza Sociale Koutroumanis George reclami che gli assicuratori sono stati costretti a unirsi al "taglio" del 20%, sulla base della decisione del 21 luglio.



Απαντώντας σε ερώτηση του προέδρου της κοινοβουλευτικής ομάδας του ΣΥΡΙΖΑ Αλέξη Τσίπρα, ο κ. Κουτρουμάνης διαβεβαίωσε ότι τα ασφαλιστικά ταμεία ανταλλάσσουν τα ομόλογά τους στην ονομαστική τους αξία, προκειμένου να διασφαλίσουν την περιουσία τους.​
Rispondendo ad una domanda del presidente del gruppo parlamentare di SYRIZA Alexis Tsipras, il signor Koutroumanis assicurato che i fondi assicurativi scambiare i loro titoli al valore nominale, al fine di garantire loro proprietà.

«Από τη μια σύρατε τις διοικήσεις των ασφαλιστικών ταμείων να μπουν στο ''κούρεμα'' με ανταλλαγή ομολόγων που λήγουν σε 30 χρόνια και την ίδια ώρα προχωράτε και σε εσωτερικό ''κούρεμα'', καλώντας τους μεγαλοοφειλέτες να καταβάλουν μειωμένες τις οφειλές τους κατά 80%», υποστήριξε ο κ. Τσίπρας.​
"Da una parte trascinato la gestione dei fondi di assicurazione per entrare the''clipped''to legami di scambio che maturano in 30 anni e allo stesso tempo e andare''inside''haircut, invitando megaloofeiletes per pagare i loro debiti ridotti 80% ", ha dichiarato Mr. Tsipras.

«Στους μεγαλοοφειλέτες δεν χαρίζουμε, αλλά κάνουμε έκπτωση στα πρόσθετα τέλη», απάντησε ο κ. Κουτρουμάνης.​
"In non megaloofeiletes dare via, ma noi di sconto degli oneri accessori", ha dichiarato Koutroumanis.

Υπογράμμισε ακόμη ότι για πρώτη φορά υπάρχει καθολική εφαρμογή του προγράμματος είσπραξης των οφειλών και ότι το μέτρο αποδίδει, καθώς, όπως είπε, μεγαλοοφειλέτες που δεν είχαν πληρώσει τα 10 τελευταία χρόνια προσέρχονται στα ασφαλιστικά ταμεία για να ρυθμίσουν τις οφειλές τους.​
Ha inoltre sottolineato che per la prima volta vi è l'applicazione universale del programma di recupero, e che la misura attributi così, ha detto, non megaloofeiletes hanno pagato negli ultimi 10 anni vengono a fondi pensione per saldare i propri debiti.

Όπως είπε ο υπουργός, αποτυχία θα ήταν αν η κυβέρνηση δεν μπορούσε να καταβάλει τις συντάξεις.​
Come ha detto il ministro, fallirebbe se il governo non poteva pagare le pensioni.

Την αντίδραση του υπουργού Εργασίας προκάλεσαν επίσης οι επικρίσεις του προέδρου της ΚΟ του ΣΥΡΙΖΑ για τον Πρωθυπουργό.​
La reazione del ministro del Lavoro causato anche la critica del Presidente del CR SYRIZA per il Primo Ministro.

Ο κ. Τσίπρας υποστήριξε ότι ο κ. Παπανδρέου «έχει διαρκές κώλυμα και δεν έχει έρθει να απαντήσει στη Βουλή εδώ και τέσσερις μήνες».​
Mr. Tsipras sostenuto che il signor Papandreou ha "impedimento permanente ed è venuto a rispondere alla Camera per quattro mesi."

«Ο πρωθυπουργός έχει απαντήσει πολλές φορές σε ερωτήσεις και είναι από τους πρωθυπουργούς που εργάζεται όσο κανείς και αντιμετωπίζει προβλήματα στη χώρα που ποτέ στη μεταπολιτευτική Ελλάδα δεν έχουμε αντιμετωπίσει» αντέτεινε ο κ. Κουτρουμάνης.​
"Il primo ministro ha spesso risposto a domande ed è uno dei primi ministri che funzionano come un solo e deve affrontare problemi del paese sempre nel post-dittatura Grecia non hanno incontrato" contrastato Mr. Koutroumanis.


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Analysis -Greek banks face nationalisation if haircut too severe






By George Georgiopoulos
ATHENS | Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:03am BST

ATHENS (Reuters) - Some of the biggest of Greece's debt-laden banks may be headed for nationalisation, particularly if debt restructuring becomes more aggressive and investors continue to dump their shares.
Hostage to about 40 billion euros (34 billion pounds) of toxic government debt on their books in the form of deeply discounted bonds, their fate is inextricably tied to the outcome of the crisis, which many analysts feel will end with a Greek default.
Private creditors, including Greek banks, have agreed to take a 21 percent "haircut" -- a loss on the face value of the debt they hold -- as part of a second, 109 billion euro bailout deal agreed by Greece and its international lenders in July.
But a consensus is building among economists, politicians, and investors that without a bigger, 50 percent haircut, Greece will still stumble under its 350 billion euro debt load and lose its emergency funding.
"The prospect of a larger haircut has got bigger. Certainly the CDS market sees a larger than 90 percent probability of such an event happening within 5 years," said analyst Niall O'Connor at Credit Suisse in London. "It is possible and could happen within a year, I would not rule it out."
On Tuesday, German and French government advisers joined the debate, arguing that Athens needs to halve its debt burden and calling for more support to recapitalise banks with large exposures to Greek bonds.
Greek media reported on Wednesday that the discussion over the size of bondholder losses has pushed more investors into agreeing to the 21 percent haircut in which they would swap bonds maturing up to 2020 with safer, longer-maturities.
Bankers have also suggested they would be open to another round of write offs later if the first amount is insufficient to stop a default that would trigger much deeper losses.
If that speculation becomes reality, the impact on banks' equity base would be too big to repair in a depressed market and lenders would have to turn to a state Financial Stability Fund -- and nationalisation -- or collapse.
"The banks would (need to) be immediately recapitalised and obviously nationalised because the owners would not be able to supplement the capital gap," said Yannis Papantoniou, a former Greek finance minister and the architect of the Mediterranean state's entry into the euro.
"So the state should come in."


HIGHLY DILUTIVE

Battered by shrinking deposits and rising bad loans amid a deep and protracted recession, banks are deleveraging and cutting costs to shield their balance sheets and meet the 10 percent minimum core capital ratio demanded by the central bank.
The big five banks -- National Bank (NBGr.AT), Eurobank (EFGr.AT), Alpha (ACBr.AT), Piraeus (BOPr.AT) and Hellenic Postbank (GPSr.AT) have already taken a 4.3 billion euro hit on the debt swap plan that Athens wants to conclude next month.
Greek bank shares .FTATBNK have shed 64 percent year-to-date and 72 percent in the last 12 months. Once the Athens bourse's locomotives, they have sharply underperformed the broader market.
For the big five, the implosion in market value in the last 12 months was 10.7 billion euros, almost 5 percent of GDP, an amount that would only grow if banks turned to the FSF for funds.
"The money to be raised would be multiples of their current market cap, rendering equity issues highly dilutive, vaporising shareholder ownership," said an Athens based analyst on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the issue.
"Given the size of the needed equity injections, the most likely outcome would be to turn to the FSF."
The FSF already has 10 billion euros to recapitalise and largely nationalise the Greek banking system.
That amount should grow to 30 billion once euro zone parliaments ratify the EFSF safety net created to prevent the Greek crisis from spilling over into other countries like Spain or Italy and triggering a new global economic downturn.
Under the scheme, banks would issue common voting shares, which the FSF would buy, giving the state large equity stakes in the banks. It would buy the shares far below market prices so taxpayers stand a chance to make a capital gain when the economy returns to growth and the government can privatise the stakes.
Such a model would resemble the TARP plan executed by U.S. policymakers following the collapse of Lehman Brothers in 2008 and the nationalisation of two of Sweden's top banks in the early 1990s, long cited by economists as one of the most successful bank rescue operations in modern history.
But while in both of those cases governments managed to divest their shares and return their banking sectors to health, economists warn Greece has suffered a far deeper economic contraction, while the state has also proven a poor steward of sectors that traditionally thrive under private ownership.
"This of course would be a negative thing, because state-owned banks in a country like Greece would be a disaster in terms of management, financing, and everything else," Papantoniou said.
An obvious parallel is Ireland. After a series of bailouts, two of the six domestic banks were closed and the government forced mergers and balance sheet cuts, leaving two banks virtually state-owned and only Bank of Ireland (BKIR.L) in majority private hands.


CORE CAPITAL HIT

Greek banks have been losing deposits since the debt crisis erupted in the start of 2010 due to outflows and recession-driven cash burn. Business and household balances had shrunk by 50.3 billion euros, or 21.2 percent, to 187 billion by July.
If Greek banks were to take a 50 percent haircut on 40 billion euros of government paper, it would mean an after-tax writedown of about 16 billion euros.
Subtracting this writedown from an aggregate Core Tier 1 capital -- a measure of banks' financial strength -- of about 24 billion for the big five banks would leave them with just 8 billion euros in equity.
Analysts say that, measured against 200 billion of risk weighted assets, the remaining equity would translate to a capital ratio of just 4 percent, far below the 10 percent minimum required by the central bank.
To claw their way back to the minimum ratio, banks would need to raise at least 12 billion euros when the combined market capitalisation for the big five is only 4.3 billion euros, a near impossible prospect in such a troubled market.
While in theory some banks could generate capital through deleveraging and asset disposals, analysts say this would be a long shot given the time pressure to restore their financial strength and reassure depositors.
While underwriting rights issues would be a tough call, finding a deep-pocketed willing investor cannot be entirely ruled out.
Alpha and Eurobank unveiled a merger deal in August that included a capital injection by Alpha's Qatari shareholder Paramount, which will pump in half a billion euros through a convertible bond issue.
But analysts said the prospect of buyouts from foreign peers looks dim as long as sovereign debt default fears persist. Potential investors looking for cheap prey would probably wait until Greece's economy stabilises and cherry pick from the FSF, which will be looking to divest stakes in two years' time.
"It is highly unlikely that a foreign bank would come in and inject capital in a Greek bank as long as the risk of default is so alive," said Deutsche Bank analyst Dimitris Giannoulis.
"The FSF remains the only option for banks," he said.
 
Pensi aumentate le possibilità di modifica dell'accordo swap del 21 luglio?

Analysis -Greek banks face nationalisation if haircut too severe






By George Georgiopoulos
ATHENS | Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:03am BST

ATHENS (Reuters) - Some of the biggest of Greece's debt-laden banks may be headed for nationalisation, particularly if debt restructuring becomes more aggressive and investors continue to dump their shares.
Hostage to about 40 billion euros (34 billion pounds) of toxic government debt on their books in the form of deeply discounted bonds, their fate is inextricably tied to the outcome of the crisis, which many analysts feel will end with a Greek default.
Private creditors, including Greek banks, have agreed to take a 21 percent "haircut" -- a loss on the face value of the debt they hold -- as part of a second, 109 billion euro bailout deal agreed by Greece and its international lenders in July.
But a consensus is building among economists, politicians, and investors that without a bigger, 50 percent haircut, Greece will still stumble under its 350 billion euro debt load and lose its emergency funding.
"The prospect of a larger haircut has got bigger. Certainly the CDS market sees a larger than 90 percent probability of such an event happening within 5 years," said analyst Niall O'Connor at Credit Suisse in London. "It is possible and could happen within a year, I would not rule it out."
On Tuesday, German and French government advisers joined the debate, arguing that Athens needs to halve its debt burden and calling for more support to recapitalise banks with large exposures to Greek bonds.
Greek media reported on Wednesday that the discussion over the size of bondholder losses has pushed more investors into agreeing to the 21 percent haircut in which they would swap bonds maturing up to 2020 with safer, longer-maturities.
Bankers have also suggested they would be open to another round of write offs later if the first amount is insufficient to stop a default that would trigger much deeper losses.
If that speculation becomes reality, the impact on banks' equity base would be too big to repair in a depressed market and lenders would have to turn to a state Financial Stability Fund -- and nationalisation -- or collapse.
"The banks would (need to) be immediately recapitalised and obviously nationalised because the owners would not be able to supplement the capital gap," said Yannis Papantoniou, a former Greek finance minister and the architect of the Mediterranean state's entry into the euro.
"So the state should come in."


HIGHLY DILUTIVE

Battered by shrinking deposits and rising bad loans amid a deep and protracted recession, banks are deleveraging and cutting costs to shield their balance sheets and meet the 10 percent minimum core capital ratio demanded by the central bank.
The big five banks -- National Bank (NBGr.AT), Eurobank (EFGr.AT), Alpha (ACBr.AT), Piraeus (BOPr.AT) and Hellenic Postbank (GPSr.AT) have already taken a 4.3 billion euro hit on the debt swap plan that Athens wants to conclude next month.
Greek bank shares .FTATBNK have shed 64 percent year-to-date and 72 percent in the last 12 months. Once the Athens bourse's locomotives, they have sharply underperformed the broader market.
For the big five, the implosion in market value in the last 12 months was 10.7 billion euros, almost 5 percent of GDP, an amount that would only grow if banks turned to the FSF for funds.
"The money to be raised would be multiples of their current market cap, rendering equity issues highly dilutive, vaporising shareholder ownership," said an Athens based analyst on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the issue.
"Given the size of the needed equity injections, the most likely outcome would be to turn to the FSF."
The FSF already has 10 billion euros to recapitalise and largely nationalise the Greek banking system.
That amount should grow to 30 billion once euro zone parliaments ratify the EFSF safety net created to prevent the Greek crisis from spilling over into other countries like Spain or Italy and triggering a new global economic downturn.
Under the scheme, banks would issue common voting shares, which the FSF would buy, giving the state large equity stakes in the banks. It would buy the shares far below market prices so taxpayers stand a chance to make a capital gain when the economy returns to growth and the government can privatise the stakes.
Such a model would resemble the TARP plan executed by U.S. policymakers following the collapse of Lehman Brothers in 2008 and the nationalisation of two of Sweden's top banks in the early 1990s, long cited by economists as one of the most successful bank rescue operations in modern history.
But while in both of those cases governments managed to divest their shares and return their banking sectors to health, economists warn Greece has suffered a far deeper economic contraction, while the state has also proven a poor steward of sectors that traditionally thrive under private ownership.
"This of course would be a negative thing, because state-owned banks in a country like Greece would be a disaster in terms of management, financing, and everything else," Papantoniou said.
An obvious parallel is Ireland. After a series of bailouts, two of the six domestic banks were closed and the government forced mergers and balance sheet cuts, leaving two banks virtually state-owned and only Bank of Ireland (BKIR.L) in majority private hands.


CORE CAPITAL HIT

Greek banks have been losing deposits since the debt crisis erupted in the start of 2010 due to outflows and recession-driven cash burn. Business and household balances had shrunk by 50.3 billion euros, or 21.2 percent, to 187 billion by July.
If Greek banks were to take a 50 percent haircut on 40 billion euros of government paper, it would mean an after-tax writedown of about 16 billion euros.
Subtracting this writedown from an aggregate Core Tier 1 capital -- a measure of banks' financial strength -- of about 24 billion for the big five banks would leave them with just 8 billion euros in equity.
Analysts say that, measured against 200 billion of risk weighted assets, the remaining equity would translate to a capital ratio of just 4 percent, far below the 10 percent minimum required by the central bank.
To claw their way back to the minimum ratio, banks would need to raise at least 12 billion euros when the combined market capitalisation for the big five is only 4.3 billion euros, a near impossible prospect in such a troubled market.
While in theory some banks could generate capital through deleveraging and asset disposals, analysts say this would be a long shot given the time pressure to restore their financial strength and reassure depositors.
While underwriting rights issues would be a tough call, finding a deep-pocketed willing investor cannot be entirely ruled out.
Alpha and Eurobank unveiled a merger deal in August that included a capital injection by Alpha's Qatari shareholder Paramount, which will pump in half a billion euros through a convertible bond issue.
But analysts said the prospect of buyouts from foreign peers looks dim as long as sovereign debt default fears persist. Potential investors looking for cheap prey would probably wait until Greece's economy stabilises and cherry pick from the FSF, which will be looking to divest stakes in two years' time.
"It is highly unlikely that a foreign bank would come in and inject capital in a Greek bank as long as the risk of default is so alive," said Deutsche Bank analyst Dimitris Giannoulis.
"The FSF remains the only option for banks," he said.
 
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