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gianni76
Forumer storico
Il momento chiave sarà quando sentirò Tsipras dire: 'I decided to resign'.
Quella diventerà una frase chiave per la soluzione dei problemi e la tranquillizzazione dei mercati.... In quella giornata con un nuovo governo e un accordo alle porte ci sarà almeno un +10%
Ilmigliore
Osserva e agisci
Post avevo inteso la 19.
Toglietemi due punti d'ufficio.
P.s. Ho visto che negli ultimi 3 minuti di contrattazione del nyse si sono infittiti gli acquisti sulla lettera di NBG
amorgos34
CHIAGNI & FOTTI SRL
Notato anche io.
Addirittura ha chiuso verde.
Erano gli ultimi momenti di contrattazione della settimana (vista la chiusura di domani)
ZioJimmy
Forumer storico
Oddio, se non ricordo male, se n è già parlato su questo qualche tempo fa.
Non vorrei sbagliare ma il cambio di valuta dei ggb non può essere fatto.
Comunque sia, se ciò avvenisse, mi auguro che la Grecia venga sbattuta fuori a calci nei denti.Così sì, accetterei, mio malgrado.
Ilmigliore
Osserva e agisci
Notato anche io.
Addirittura ha chiuso verde.
Erano gli ultimi momenti di contrattazione della settimana (vista la chiusura di domani)
Sembravano chiusure intraday
IL MARATONETA
Forumer storico
Si, Varu ieri, rispondendo ad un giornalista, ha detto che per far riaprire le banche lunedi', basta...... pigiare un bottone:bleah:
Tsipras non si dimetterà in nesun caso
State sognano!
Tsipras non si dimetterà in nesun caso. Lo ha detto oggi:
"Tsipras ha detto che la chiusura delle banche non durerà a lungo e che se vincerà il no prevede di chiudere un accordo con i creditori entro 48 ore dal voto di domenica."
"Tsipras ha ribadito che il giorno dopo quel processo riprendere immediatamente gli sforzi per raggiungere un accordo. “Più alto è il ‘No’ al referendum, la più alta la posizione del governo, quando riprendere i negoziati”, ha detto."
= gli basta un ‘No’ alto al referendum : Niente dimissioni!
State sognano!
Tsipras non si dimetterà in nesun caso. Lo ha detto oggi:
"Tsipras ha detto che la chiusura delle banche non durerà a lungo e che se vincerà il no prevede di chiudere un accordo con i creditori entro 48 ore dal voto di domenica."
"Tsipras ha ribadito che il giorno dopo quel processo riprendere immediatamente gli sforzi per raggiungere un accordo. “Più alto è il ‘No’ al referendum, la più alta la posizione del governo, quando riprendere i negoziati”, ha detto."
= gli basta un ‘No’ alto al referendum : Niente dimissioni!
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Concern mounts over conduct of Greek referendum
Kerin Hope in Athens
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Greece's five-year financial crisis took its most dramatic turn yet, with the cabinet deciding that Greek banks would remain shut for six business days and restrictions would be imposed on cash withdrawals. (AP Photo/Thanassis Stavrakis)©AP
A woman uses an ATM of a closed bank by a sign that reads: ''We vote NO'
Greece’s highest legal authority is due to hear an appeal claiming that Sunday’s referendum should be called off on constitutional grounds amid growing concerns that the plebiscite will fall short of international standards.
The Friday hearing comes in the wake of an acrimonious debate in the past few days involving Greece’s top academic lawyers over whether the hastily-arranged vote called by Alexis Tsipras, the prime minister, violates constitutional rules.
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Concern is mounting — both in Greece and among its European partners — about how the exercise is being organised. One worry is that voters would not have enough time in just eight days to study a convoluted question on a bailout deal rejected by the leftwing Syriza government that references two technical economic documents.
Another is that Mr Tsipras has unduly influenced the vote by calling so stridently for a “No” vote in televised addresses to the nation in which he accused bailout creditors of “blackmailing” Greece.
“This referendum is going to be a mockery,” said John Kyriacopoulos, a senior Athens attorney. “As a lawyer, I don’t feel I can participate, there are so many irregularities involved.”
Thorbjørn Jagland, secretary-general of the Council of Europe, told the Associated Press news agency the vote was “called at such short notice that in itself is a major problem . . . and also the fact that the questions put to the people . . . are not very clear.”
Since it was announced on Saturday night, the initiative has bewildered many Greeks and their creditors, alike. Mr Tsipras is asking his citizens to rule on a proposal for a bailout that no longer exists.
Some observers fear the government’s high-handed approach could extend to the way it manages the vote on Sunday.
Unusually, rather than having two ballot papers — one Yes and one No — there will be only one sheet with the question and two accompanying boxes. The No box is placed above the Yes one, an arrangement that may reinforce the Syriza government’s call for a negative vote.
Turnout is likely to be low, given that hundreds of thousands of voters living in cities but registered in their ancestral villages and islands, will be unable to make the journey because this week’s imposition of capital controls allows cash withdrawals of only €60 a day.
“This entire process favours a No vote . . . It’s hard this week to get hold of several hundred euros to go home and vote,” said Angelos, an Athens lawyer whose family comes from a remote area in Greece’s northern province of Macedonia.
Should the draft agreement submitted by the EC, ECB, IMF to the eurogroup on June 25, which consists of two parts that make up their full proposal, be accepted? The first document is titled ‘Reforms for the completion of the current programme and beyond’ and the second, ‘Preliminary debt sustainability analysis’
- Wording of Greek referendum question
The Council of Europe’s guidelines on holding a plebiscite recommend a two-week period to allow enough time for debate on a clear question put to voters. A team of international observers should also monitor the vote.
Because Greece does not have a constitutional court, Friday’s hearing will take place before the 50-member council of state formed of senior judges whose normal job is to issue rulings on administrative rather than political matters. The government does not intend to answer the claim, according to a justice ministry official.
The two claimants, identified in documents seen by the FT only by their professions — a lawyer and an engineer — argue that Sunday’s vote should be cancelled because it breaches Article 44 of the Greek constitution, which bans referendum questions on “the management of fiscal policy and issues that affect the financial situation of the state”.
Moreover, the 72-word question posed to voters is not worded clearly and briefly, as required by a 2011 law, but contains “specific technical terms that are unlikely to be understood by an overwhelming majority of voters”.
Michalis Stathopoulos, a constitutional expert and former justice minister, agreed that Sunday’s referendum contravened Article 44.
“The creditors’ proposals which the Greek people have to decide on include tax issues such as an increase in VAT. But you can’t ask a citizen to decide whether he wants taxes to be imposed on him or whether his retirement age should be extended,” Mr Stathopoulos said.
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Antonis Manitakis, a law professor at Thessaloniki university, accepted that the referendum was legal but pointed out that the constitution provides for a four-week timeline.
“The question asked is both divisive and technocratic,” he said. “And can the referendum be considered valid given that the creditors have withdrawn the specific proposal that’s being voted on?”
The council of state is due to announce its decision at midday on Friday, but some experts fear the judges will duck the issue and claim the council is not competent to rule in cases that involve the government.
“While the Greek legal system is deeply politicised, it’s rare for judges to risk a confrontation with the government on a significant issue,” said a leading Athens lawyer who declined to be identified.
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RandomCommenter7 2 hours ago
Unfortunately, it's quite likely that the Council of State will take the same cowardly line as the quisling President of Greece, who was put in place by Syriza.
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jpgordo 3 hours ago
Here's what will happen if there is a "Yes" vote and what will happen if there is a "No" vote:
Greece ? Before and After The Referendum | Those Damn Kids
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Concern mounts over conduct of Greek referendum
Kerin Hope in Athens
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Greece's five-year financial crisis took its most dramatic turn yet, with the cabinet deciding that Greek banks would remain shut for six business days and restrictions would be imposed on cash withdrawals. (AP Photo/Thanassis Stavrakis)©AP
A woman uses an ATM of a closed bank by a sign that reads: ''We vote NO'
Greece’s highest legal authority is due to hear an appeal claiming that Sunday’s referendum should be called off on constitutional grounds amid growing concerns that the plebiscite will fall short of international standards.
The Friday hearing comes in the wake of an acrimonious debate in the past few days involving Greece’s top academic lawyers over whether the hastily-arranged vote called by Alexis Tsipras, the prime minister, violates constitutional rules.
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Concern is mounting — both in Greece and among its European partners — about how the exercise is being organised. One worry is that voters would not have enough time in just eight days to study a convoluted question on a bailout deal rejected by the leftwing Syriza government that references two technical economic documents.
Another is that Mr Tsipras has unduly influenced the vote by calling so stridently for a “No” vote in televised addresses to the nation in which he accused bailout creditors of “blackmailing” Greece.
“This referendum is going to be a mockery,” said John Kyriacopoulos, a senior Athens attorney. “As a lawyer, I don’t feel I can participate, there are so many irregularities involved.”
Thorbjørn Jagland, secretary-general of the Council of Europe, told the Associated Press news agency the vote was “called at such short notice that in itself is a major problem . . . and also the fact that the questions put to the people . . . are not very clear.”
Since it was announced on Saturday night, the initiative has bewildered many Greeks and their creditors, alike. Mr Tsipras is asking his citizens to rule on a proposal for a bailout that no longer exists.
Some observers fear the government’s high-handed approach could extend to the way it manages the vote on Sunday.
Unusually, rather than having two ballot papers — one Yes and one No — there will be only one sheet with the question and two accompanying boxes. The No box is placed above the Yes one, an arrangement that may reinforce the Syriza government’s call for a negative vote.
Turnout is likely to be low, given that hundreds of thousands of voters living in cities but registered in their ancestral villages and islands, will be unable to make the journey because this week’s imposition of capital controls allows cash withdrawals of only €60 a day.
“This entire process favours a No vote . . . It’s hard this week to get hold of several hundred euros to go home and vote,” said Angelos, an Athens lawyer whose family comes from a remote area in Greece’s northern province of Macedonia.
Should the draft agreement submitted by the EC, ECB, IMF to the eurogroup on June 25, which consists of two parts that make up their full proposal, be accepted? The first document is titled ‘Reforms for the completion of the current programme and beyond’ and the second, ‘Preliminary debt sustainability analysis’
- Wording of Greek referendum question
The Council of Europe’s guidelines on holding a plebiscite recommend a two-week period to allow enough time for debate on a clear question put to voters. A team of international observers should also monitor the vote.
Because Greece does not have a constitutional court, Friday’s hearing will take place before the 50-member council of state formed of senior judges whose normal job is to issue rulings on administrative rather than political matters. The government does not intend to answer the claim, according to a justice ministry official.
The two claimants, identified in documents seen by the FT only by their professions — a lawyer and an engineer — argue that Sunday’s vote should be cancelled because it breaches Article 44 of the Greek constitution, which bans referendum questions on “the management of fiscal policy and issues that affect the financial situation of the state”.
Moreover, the 72-word question posed to voters is not worded clearly and briefly, as required by a 2011 law, but contains “specific technical terms that are unlikely to be understood by an overwhelming majority of voters”.
Michalis Stathopoulos, a constitutional expert and former justice minister, agreed that Sunday’s referendum contravened Article 44.
“The creditors’ proposals which the Greek people have to decide on include tax issues such as an increase in VAT. But you can’t ask a citizen to decide whether he wants taxes to be imposed on him or whether his retirement age should be extended,” Mr Stathopoulos said.
More video
Antonis Manitakis, a law professor at Thessaloniki university, accepted that the referendum was legal but pointed out that the constitution provides for a four-week timeline.
“The question asked is both divisive and technocratic,” he said. “And can the referendum be considered valid given that the creditors have withdrawn the specific proposal that’s being voted on?”
The council of state is due to announce its decision at midday on Friday, but some experts fear the judges will duck the issue and claim the council is not competent to rule in cases that involve the government.
“While the Greek legal system is deeply politicised, it’s rare for judges to risk a confrontation with the government on a significant issue,” said a leading Athens lawyer who declined to be identified.
RELATED TOPICS
Greece Politics,Greece Debt Crisis,Alexis Tsipras
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The past five days have been worse than all that has gone before
Alexis Tsipras defiant as Greece lurches to the brink
Q&A: Why a new Greek bailout would need time and hard work
The debt relief carrot dangles before Greece’s Alexis Tsipras
Greece should vote for the rule of law
Greece needs €60bn in new aid, says IMF
Tsipras has earned his punishment
Varoufakis to resign if Greeks votes Yes in referendum
A ‘take-it-or-leave it’ vote is a recipe for disaster for Greece
Tsipras gambles political future on Greek bailout referendum
Greek tourism feels the pressure
Bank pay – US CEOs outrun Europeans
Financial system now ‘safer’
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RandomCommenter7 2 hours ago
Unfortunately, it's quite likely that the Council of State will take the same cowardly line as the quisling President of Greece, who was put in place by Syriza.
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jpgordo 3 hours ago
Here's what will happen if there is a "Yes" vote and what will happen if there is a "No" vote:
Greece ? Before and After The Referendum | Those Damn Kids
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