Obbligazioni perpetue e subordinate Tutto quello che avreste sempre voluto sapere sulle obbligazioni perpetue... - Cap. 2
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frankiemachine
Mr. Tentenna
il materasso verrà equiparato al c/c...
Però non mi avete risposto
Bos tra un Tds Ita 6% a 82 e una Ucg P 8% a 55 cosa scegli?Domanda rivolta a quasi tutti..
preferisco uni perché.
1 rende di piú
2 costa meno
3 a maggiore possibilitá di upside in caso di risalita
4 le p. portoghesi, con tutti i casini del loro stato girano intorno a 40
5 anche con un piccolo cut (io non lo credo assolutamente) uni potrebbe reggere
bosmeld
Forumer storico
se non sbaglio é stato emsso da poco.
io sta robba visto i rendimenti che ci sono in giro non la prendo.
peró quando e se le cose si sistemiranno toccherá guardare attentamente a emissioni come questa.
p.s unicredit 243 offer a 55 mm lloyds
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9/15
Forumer storico
mi sembra di vedere un quadruplo massimo ...o lo buca o ....
Ma se lo buca non buca solo il livello, ma anche il mio
lagonzaga
Forumer attivo
Dexia Credit Local
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Tra le ciofeche continuo ad avere particolare interesse sulla Dexia 421.
Ho dato un'occhiata al bilancio pro forma al 30.9.2011 e pur chiudendo con forte perdita, presenta un attivo.
Inoltre le passività subordinate sono di misera entità.
Allego il bilancio per chi volesse cimentarsi in analisi ancora più approfondite.
http://www.dexia.com/EN/journalist/press_releases/Documents/20111109_interim_statement_UK.pdf
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Tra le ciofeche continuo ad avere particolare interesse sulla Dexia 421.
Ho dato un'occhiata al bilancio pro forma al 30.9.2011 e pur chiudendo con forte perdita, presenta un attivo.
Inoltre le passività subordinate sono di misera entità.
Allego il bilancio per chi volesse cimentarsi in analisi ancora più approfondite.
http://www.dexia.com/EN/journalist/press_releases/Documents/20111109_interim_statement_UK.pdf
Mais78
BAWAG fan club
a volte il 23 ha un rendimento un pelino piu' alto pero' sono due anni in piu' e soprattutto ha coefficiente molto piu' alto
bosmeld
Forumer storico
visto che la ho, e sono anche in bellla perdita
dopo approfondisca,cmq salta rapidamente all'occhio che l'equity tenendo in considerazione
Gains and losses not recognised in the statement of income
é bassissimo.
gli servirebbe un vero aumento di capitale, con soldi freschi, e non ste mosse contabili fittizie.
detto ció é sistemica, non penso la lascino andare. la p. quota molto bassa e se non la avessi giá piú di un lotto... la comprerei anche solo per scommessa.
i perpetui del credit local per ora sembrano salvarsi, volendo se scende sotto il minimo di core tier1 scatta la loss absorbtion nel caso in cui non riescano a reperire altro capitale, ma fanno un adc infragruppo, che cmq sembra sempre un lifting contabile.
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bosmeld
Forumer storico
se fosse vero....
[Reuters] EXCLUSIVE-French, Germans explore idea of core euro zone
* Discussion of core euro zone with tighter integration * Initiative focused on securing future of single currency * Britain, Poland, others reject formal two-speed Europe By Julien Toyer and Annika Breidthardt BRUSSELS, Nov 9 (Reuters) - German and French officials have discussed plans for a radical overhaul of the European Union that would involve establishing a more integrated and potentially smaller euro zone, EU sources say. French President Nicolas Sarkozy gave some flavour of his thinking during an address to students in the eastern French city of Strasbourg on Tuesday, when he said a two-speed Europe -- the euro zone moving ahead more rapidly than all 27 countries in the EU -- was the only model for the future. The discussions among senior policymakers in Paris, Berlin and Brussels go further, raising the possibility of one or more countries leaving the euro zone, while the remaining core pushes on towards deeper economic integration, including on tax and fiscal policy. A senior EU official said changing the make-up of the euro zone has been discussed on an "intellectual" level but had not moved to operational or technical discussions, while a French government source said there was no such project in the works. Such steps are also opposed by many EU countries, whose backing would be needed for any adjustments to the bloc's treaties, making them anything but a done deal. "This will unravel everything our forebears have painstakingly built up and repudiate all that they stood for in the past sixty years," one EU diplomat told Reuters. "This is not about a two-speed Europe, we already have that. This will redraw the map geopolitically and give rise to new tensions. It could truly be the end of Europe as we know it." Nonetheless, the Franco-German motor has generally been the driving force in steps forward for European integration. To an extent the taboo on a country leaving the 17-member currency bloc was already broken at the G20 summit in Cannes last week, when German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Sarkozy both effectively said that Greece might have to drop out if the euro zone's long-term stability was to be maintained. But the latest discussions among European officials point to a more fundamental re-evaluation of the 12-year-old currency project -- including which countries and what policies are needed to keep it strong and stable for the next decade and beyond -- before Europe's debt crisis manages to break it apart. In large part the aim is to reshape the currency bloc along the lines it was originally intended; strong, economically integrated countries sharing a currency, before nations such as Greece managed to get in. "France and Germany have had intense consultations on this issue over the last months, at all levels," a senior EU official in Brussels told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the discussions. "We need to move very cautiously, but the truth is that we need to establish exactly the list of those who don't want to be part of the club and those who simply cannot be part. "In doing this exercise, we will be very serious on the criteria that will be used as a benchmark to integrate and share our economic policies." One senior German government official said it was a case of pruning the euro zone to make it stronger. "You'll still call it the euro, but it will be fewer countries," he said, without identifying those that would have to drop out. "We won't be able to speak with one voice and make the tough decisions in the euro zone as it is today. You can't have one country, one vote," he said, referring to rules that have made decision-making complex and slow, exacerbating the crisis. Speaking in Berlin on Wednesday, Merkel reiterated a call for changes to be made to the EU treaty -- the laws whi
[Reuters] EXCLUSIVE-French, Germans explore idea of core euro zone
* Discussion of core euro zone with tighter integration * Initiative focused on securing future of single currency * Britain, Poland, others reject formal two-speed Europe By Julien Toyer and Annika Breidthardt BRUSSELS, Nov 9 (Reuters) - German and French officials have discussed plans for a radical overhaul of the European Union that would involve establishing a more integrated and potentially smaller euro zone, EU sources say. French President Nicolas Sarkozy gave some flavour of his thinking during an address to students in the eastern French city of Strasbourg on Tuesday, when he said a two-speed Europe -- the euro zone moving ahead more rapidly than all 27 countries in the EU -- was the only model for the future. The discussions among senior policymakers in Paris, Berlin and Brussels go further, raising the possibility of one or more countries leaving the euro zone, while the remaining core pushes on towards deeper economic integration, including on tax and fiscal policy. A senior EU official said changing the make-up of the euro zone has been discussed on an "intellectual" level but had not moved to operational or technical discussions, while a French government source said there was no such project in the works. Such steps are also opposed by many EU countries, whose backing would be needed for any adjustments to the bloc's treaties, making them anything but a done deal. "This will unravel everything our forebears have painstakingly built up and repudiate all that they stood for in the past sixty years," one EU diplomat told Reuters. "This is not about a two-speed Europe, we already have that. This will redraw the map geopolitically and give rise to new tensions. It could truly be the end of Europe as we know it." Nonetheless, the Franco-German motor has generally been the driving force in steps forward for European integration. To an extent the taboo on a country leaving the 17-member currency bloc was already broken at the G20 summit in Cannes last week, when German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Sarkozy both effectively said that Greece might have to drop out if the euro zone's long-term stability was to be maintained. But the latest discussions among European officials point to a more fundamental re-evaluation of the 12-year-old currency project -- including which countries and what policies are needed to keep it strong and stable for the next decade and beyond -- before Europe's debt crisis manages to break it apart. In large part the aim is to reshape the currency bloc along the lines it was originally intended; strong, economically integrated countries sharing a currency, before nations such as Greece managed to get in. "France and Germany have had intense consultations on this issue over the last months, at all levels," a senior EU official in Brussels told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the discussions. "We need to move very cautiously, but the truth is that we need to establish exactly the list of those who don't want to be part of the club and those who simply cannot be part. "In doing this exercise, we will be very serious on the criteria that will be used as a benchmark to integrate and share our economic policies." One senior German government official said it was a case of pruning the euro zone to make it stronger. "You'll still call it the euro, but it will be fewer countries," he said, without identifying those that would have to drop out. "We won't be able to speak with one voice and make the tough decisions in the euro zone as it is today. You can't have one country, one vote," he said, referring to rules that have made decision-making complex and slow, exacerbating the crisis. Speaking in Berlin on Wednesday, Merkel reiterated a call for changes to be made to the EU treaty -- the laws whi
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